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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Nov 26, 2009 20:17:31 GMT 12
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Post by chris13w on Nov 26, 2009 21:13:58 GMT 12
Did you get hold of Kevin Win to confirm the entry Murray?
Cheers
Chris Hadley 13W
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Nov 26, 2009 21:56:31 GMT 12
Sure did - all good. Loaded Tony's truck  ....  |
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Post by chris13w on Nov 26, 2009 23:10:50 GMT 12
Looks pretty serious for a retired racer Murray!
So have you taken the "Psycho" logo's off it and replaced them with "Grandad" ones???
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Post by knownotmuch on Nov 27, 2009 1:35:29 GMT 12
Looking at the format for NZs, it says qualifying to determine the finalists will be held on the first night.
Does this mean the C and B mains are run on Friday as well?
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Post by knownotmuch on Nov 27, 2009 1:41:33 GMT 12
Interesting to see the prize money for the GP is more than for the NZs. And drivers only have to race one night to get it.
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Nov 27, 2009 6:06:26 GMT 12
Interesting to see the prize money for the GP is more than for the NZs. And drivers only have to race one night to get it. SNZ Championship events should be controlled by SNZ in regard processes, format, prize money. The integrity of these events is critical and to allow individual promoters to apply their own spin should not be allowed. The first criteria for these events should be, does it promote maximum participation and does the format best secure a just outcome. The Baypark format looses me and the two heat marble reverse should be three heat (front middle rear). |
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Post by 98wsaloon on Nov 27, 2009 7:21:27 GMT 12
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Post by petrolfumes on Nov 27, 2009 7:31:36 GMT 12
Interesting to see the prize money for the GP is more than for the NZs. And drivers only have to race one night to get it. What is wellingtons gate price as i see bayparks is "Friday :$20 Adults, $10 Kids, $45 Family Concession, $5 Seniors (65 and up) Saturday : $25 Adults, $10 Kids, $50 Family Concession, $5 Seniors" 2 nights plus $5 more saturday: time for speedway nz to make some changes that benefit the drivers |
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Post by Admin on Nov 27, 2009 8:03:33 GMT 12
Bloody amazing this fascination some promoters have with the Yankee system of doing things no matter how boring it is for their patrons .
Oh well another Baypark meeting to be bypassed . Either that or turn up at 9.30 pm on night 2 .
Shame really as it's one of my favorite classes .
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Post by Crank on Nov 27, 2009 8:48:03 GMT 12
talk about a complicated format..... draw, fastest times, slowest, invert this, transfer those cars to here, split them, dash them, invert them again, put that lot to the back... lets race... jeeez all i can say is i hope who ever is going to be sorting out this mess better be prepared, or if your a competing saloon driver, a good friend of who evers running the points ;D.... wait there are no points???  how does it go again.... |
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Post by dps on Nov 27, 2009 9:06:41 GMT 12
This format is rubbish for a 2 day meet whats the point of night 1 you can hold the whole meeting in one night.
A format that punishes the guys who set the fast times in qualifying isnt good.. if you qualify 1st you are inverted on the grid of your heat and start off grid 6.. .
this format is confusing for the fans as well and also you only see
one race with all the top drivers the final 20 lapper by then the track is gone slick and dusty...
bring back 3 heats & points or 2 or 3 heats (with all the finalists) and a 20 lapper
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Post by Admin on Nov 27, 2009 9:08:19 GMT 12
It's a fairly std format as used by the Americans mostly and is understandable if you study it .
I think most of these series running about the place are using it or a variation of .
It generally means us punters pay our money to be bored for most of the night(s) waiting for a decent race to be run.
Wondering why you don't hear everyone raving about how great the Super Saloon series racing was or the Midget series at Palmy etc. etc.
I can have some sympathy for a series like the DHL saloon series where there is a load of meetings in a short time. Less cars on the track at any one time lessens the chances of major damage.
Turn up at the Springs this weekend , yay 24 sprinters . One thing that is almost certain though and that is you won't see a full field until near the end of the night . yawn .
Either way I have found it much less frustrating to just not bother attending any of these shows . There is almost always another meeting at another place more worthy .
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Post by Jamo on Nov 27, 2009 10:00:29 GMT 12
I actually like the format for a NZ title. I think it is fairer than the 3 race format and gives a result where pure luck hasn't had as much influence.
As long as the NZ's are based on a single meeting basis then it is only right that the format used is one where luck plays the smallest part.
As a spectator I agree the format is not ideal but this is the one meeting a year most guys strive for and for it to decided by a format where shear luck plays such a big part is not fair for the drivers. This format rewards the superior cars by putting them in a position where by they have a better chance of not being taken out by inferior cars. All other forms of motorsport have the fastest to the front so on our biggest night of the season, why shouldn't we?
Luck will always play some part but we have to use something where the luck is not the deciding factor on who wins and loses.
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Post by Admin on Nov 27, 2009 10:22:55 GMT 12
I agree Jamo , and I can fully understand why the drivers might like it .
I'm a spectator though and don't like it thus I won't attend and won't pay for it .
From my point of view if the drivers want it then they and the promotors can pay for it .
Now to find something else to do with my $90(me & her) that weekend.
Don't be confused by my rambling either , I like and support the one race highest points to the front final for non contact classes .
I also quite like the 4 heat drop your worst option for qualifying.
BTW ,looking through the list of past champions I can't really identify any that won through just sheer luck . But then I haven't seen all of them .
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Post by knownotmuch on Nov 27, 2009 12:05:00 GMT 12
Even through the format has me wondering about it's merits, we will still be going to watch because after all the racing is done and dusted we will still be crowning the new 1,2 and 3NZ.
Would still be keen to understand which races will be on Friday and which will be on Saturday?
Hope the announcers will be really on their game keeping us up to date with the qualifying order, who starts where in what race and how it all relates to the final.
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Post by NutZ on Nov 27, 2009 21:45:56 GMT 12
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Post by BarryB on Nov 28, 2009 8:37:05 GMT 12
I think when you're paying $90 (for two), plus travel, accommodation and food, you really deserve to see the top competitors face off against each other more than once, despite also accepting the format does assist in removing some of the "luck" factor from the contest.
However, I think drivers also need to accept what we have in speedway is unique, and why many fans attend New Zealand speedway championships and not circuit race ones, as it is these "all other forms of motorsport" that bore them rigid. There are ways we can increase our crowd sizes, and there are ways we can drive them away.
It's a fine line between pleasure and pain, and somewhere in between there must be compromise between what the competitors prefer and what the fans will pay to watch.
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Post by mrrx on Nov 28, 2009 14:55:36 GMT 12
when can we see an entry list
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Post by sonic33 on Nov 28, 2009 15:22:44 GMT 12
It appears the spectator voice is not heard at BP. The format has been rubbished by many, for a few seasons now, with no change. This format is definately for a one night show, not spread over two. Any race at BP should have a minimum of 20 cars.
I can understand the extra damage concerns but it is not supposed to be easy to win an NZ title. If you can't find a piece of track to run on at BP you won't at any other tracks that are alot smaller.
My money will stay in my pocket for day 1 thats for sure. World series midgets at the springs and NI superstocks in Meannee could be a better go.
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