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[Saloon29s]

mrbump86k said:

This is a really good thread or people to see what goes into building a chassis from scratch.

Many people would prefer to keep a chassis build to themselves so you must be congratulated Jarrod for being so up font with it.

Keep the updates coming


Phil

Thanks Mr bump.
I don't see the point of been all secretive with the car. My aim of this thread is to give people an insight into how a car is built and how much time things take to do. I will keep the updates coming right through to when the car hits the track, however far away that may be! ;D

[Mav, back bein a pit biarch]

stockcar29s said:

mrbump86k said:

This is a really good thread or people to see what goes into building a chassis from scratch.

Many people would prefer to keep a chassis build to themselves so you must be congratulated Jarrod for being so up font with it.

Keep the updates coming


Phil

Thanks Mr bump.
I don't see the point of been all secretive with the car. My aim of this thread is to give people an insight into how a car is built and how much time things take to do. I will keep the updates coming right through to when the car hits the track, however far away that may be! ;D

Maybe some nice moderator can pin this thread so it stays at the top of the thread list?

[Fiddy1nz]

I see you mentioned your using rods. why the choice of stick welding not mig?

[Saloon29s]

shane51 said:

I see you mentioned your using rods. why the choice of stick welding not mig?

I'm only using the stick on the bumpers and siderails. (cause I can lay them flat on the ground to weld ;D) Apparently stick welding is stronger than mig but I am only using it for some variation for myself. I get bored doing long runs of mig welding.

[Fiddy1nz]

yeah thats what ive heard aswell stick is stronger. cars looking nice mate keep it up

[milmil]

Looks as if its coming along nicely there Jarrod!!! ;D ;D

[HITMAN94]

Very nice , as to the welding with arc rods and it being stronger its not .mig welding now days is the same if not stronger, the way you've welded the rails together interest me to , when i built my own car i laid my rails one on top of the other as it seemed to be the stronger option and to date have bent both front and back bumpers with no chassis damage ,you talk about laminating the rails to help stop bending ,in what direction , sideways or up or down (bowing) only asking as I'm intending to build another couple and getting differing opinions about this sort of thing are invaluable
cheers HITMAN94

[Saloon29s]

hitman94 said:

Very nice , as to the welding with arc rods and it being stronger its not .mig welding now days is the same if not stronger, the way you've welded the rails together interest me to , when i built my own car i laid my rails one on top of the other as it seemed to be the stronger option and to date have bent both front and back bumpers with no chassis damage ,you talk about laminating the rails to help stop bending ,in what direction , sideways or up or down (bowing) only asking as I'm intending to build another couple and getting differing opinions about this sort of thing are invaluable
cheers HITMAN94

I am hoping that by laminating the chassis rails side by side that it will help to stop them bending in/sideways. Obviously this is still going to give a bit more strength for up and down movement as well. At the end of the day, either laminating side by side or on top of each other probably has much the same effect.

[cookster]

CAN YOU TELL ME , WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED WORKING THE DIMENTIONS OUT .DID YOU WORK OUT HOW MUCHROOM YOU NEEDED IN THE COCKPIT OR IS THERE A STANDARD SIZE.

CHEERS

[HITMAN94]

Thanks stockcar29s , your probably right . another quick question is the choice of material ,looks to be 40 x40 x ? , why so light.I built using 50 x 75 x 3 and still came in under weight ,the new cars planed are using 65 x 35 x 3 as the other car has clearances problems in the diff area and this Will address it.As i say just interested in another stockcar builders opinion
cheers HITMAN94

[Autopete55]

hitman94 said:

Very nice , as to the welding with arc rods and it being stronger its not .mig welding now days is the same if not stronger, the way you've welded the rails together interest me to , when i built my own car i laid my rails one on top of the other as it seemed to be the stronger option and to date have bent both front and back bumpers with no chassis damage ,you talk about laminating the rails to help stop bending ,in what direction , sideways or up or down (bowing) only asking as I'm intending to build another couple and getting differing opinions about this sort of thing are invaluable
cheers HITMAN94

Todays MIG weld is effectively a low hydrogen weld.
56s's in stick language,you know the rods,the troublesome ones to start but finish off nice.
So there really isnt a huge difference in strength of the weld.
Correct heat settings etc make for the perfect weld and MIG use's slightly less heat but the same or better penetration.
The lamination deal is well used the way 29s is doing it and he's on the right track.
He going Stockcar racing so the chassis will serve him well.Its nice to see the car at the varoius stages and he's right,why be all secret squirrell about it,nobodies gonna worry about how the chassis is built when its out there racing are they???
The speeds the Supers are doing and the eventual hits that happen have the capability of bending anything!!!
Bends of the chassis WILL happen given time and perseverance!!

Keep up the good work 29s and keep the progress photos coming.
Thats so I can pretend the car is ACTUALLY in MY shed and Im building it in there instead of being tucked up on the couch at night!! ;D

Again well done!!!
Pete

[Saloon29s]

hitman94 said:

Thanks stockcar29s , your probably right . another quick question is the choice of material ,looks to be 40 x40 x ? , why so light.I built using 50 x 75 x 3 and still came in under weight ,the new cars planed are using 65 x 35 x 3 as the other car has clearances problems in the diff area and this Will address it.As i say just interested in another stockcar builders opinion
cheers HITMAN94

The chassis rails are two pieces of 50 x 50 except for the top horizontal one which is a piece of 50 x 50 and a piece of 50 x 25. Because I brought this car as a part built chassis, the 50 x 50 was already there so I just added another one next to it. If I was building a car from scratch I would probably use two pieces of 70 x 35 to make a square. My original intention was to buy the part built chassis and finish it off but I have changed that much of it I may as well have started from scratch. I have lengthened the front and widened the chassis. The photo below is of the chassis as I brought it.


The red lines in this image show all that is now left of the original.

[Saloon29s]

cookster said:

CAN YOU TELL ME , WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED WORKING THE DIMENTIONS OUT .DID YOU WORK OUT HOW MUCHROOM YOU NEEDED IN THE COCKPIT OR IS THERE A STANDARD SIZE.

CHEERS

I was fortunate that I already had some rough dimensions because I brought the part chassis as mentioned above. But basically to build a car from scratch you would need to work backwards. So you would first work out how much room you need in the front V for your axle, then your radiator, then your engine and this would show where the engine plate needs to be. You can then allow however much room you need in the cockpit and then you've just got the diff and the rear bumper.(This is how I would do it anyway)
Stockcars are all different lengths and the cockpits are all different sizes. There is no set rule for this.

[HITMAN94]

Thanks for taking the time to answerer
cheers HITMAN94

[ross]

Chassis looking good there mate, now is a good time to setup your diff and front end so you give yourself good clearance and can work around the barwork so you get good travel in your rear end etc, it's much harder to do if you go to far with the chassis, if I can help in any way just shout out ok.
Ross

[cookster]

WELL SAID.
IT IS GREAT WHEN SOMEONE CAN EXPLAIN HOW THINGS ARE BUILT, ESPECIALLY IF YOUR ARE NEW TO THE SPORT LIKE ME.

CHEERS , THANKS FOR THE INPUT

[GavS]

if nothing else its just interesting watching the best come together, im thinking of creating a subdomain on gandtphotos.com for those without website to shear with pics and reports about off season rebuilds, what do you all think, and would people use this if i did it

[Gibbo13p]

This a chassis from a guy in wellington eh....looked at it when I'd bent my own car up...awsesome thread bud will definately help .... very positive ;D

[Saloon29s]

ross said:

Chassis looking good there mate, now is a good time to setup your diff and front end so you give yourself good clearance and can work around the barwork so you get good travel in your rear end etc, it's much harder to do if you go to far with the chassis, if I can help in any way just shout out ok.
Ross

Thanks for the tip about the diff and front end Ross. Will start tackling that next.

[Ugmo]

Far out cousin you are now famous!!!!!