points or first cross the line? (Read 2,069 times)

[MadMarty13B]

Dec 11, 2010 1:48:32 GMT 12 MadMarty13B said:

simple really points emphasis on first place minor placing points dont add up to first place points there you have your first across the line as the crucial placing the rest can be used for count back later if needed
so in other words increase the points for first place

what this changes is the scenario in 2005 where the Panthers actually won 2 races but the Allstars that I raced for won one but lost against the Panthers but knowing we only needed 2nd 3rd and 4th for the points to go through to the semis instead of the panthers we raced to that and it worked it has happened to the Panthers before then as well
it also puts the emphasis on stopping the lead car as the highest priority which is the most entertaining ingredient in teams racing

[percy]

Points are a necessary evil in qualifying. The problem in using knockout for qualifying is that half your teams are eliminated on the first race. With 10 teams a knockout format doesn't work anyway.

I'm yet to be convinced we have the right mix when it comes to points. A possible 100-95 is too close for my liking. I'd like to see 150 awarded to the race winner against a maximum of 95 for the rest. I believe this would ensure that winning two races would almost certainly put a team through.

In my mind the points system should be designed to seperate teams when they have an equal amount of race wins, not to put teams who have won a lesser number of races ahead of winning teams as can happen now.

I'm pleased to see ramjam introduce the notion of putting through more than four teams to the second night. The format used at Wellington is as much about who you draw as your own performance.

The Auckland situation underlies this point. They drew Gisborne and Wellington, both of whom from memory made the semi-final last year with Wellington of course the defending champions. As it was they disposed of Gisborne who would then go on to annihilate Stratford and supersede Auckland into the semi-finals. Had Auckland faced Stratford they may have emerged as the top point scorer on the night!

Which is why you need to take either 6 or 8 teams through to night two. My preference is for 6 with the top 2 teams being seeded straight into the semi-finals and teams 3-6 facing off for the two remaining semi-final spots. This means the top 2 teams would get the advantage of automatic seeding and only having to race twice while teams 3-6 would have to race three times.

In saying that I'm not against an 8 team knockout finals night with all teams racing 3 times on the night. It would be better than what we have at the moment.

[mrmadtaylor]

I think points on night 1 is a must, and I like the new points system more then the old.

Was it not changed after the W vs S run off at the teams champs some years ago.

[tank11]

Percy, didn't Gis finish second on the alley cat race?

When their second race came up, they knew what they had to do and did the job.

If you can't win your first race, get as many points as you can and trump the second race completely.

[percy]

Dec 11, 2010 12:41:53 GMT 12 tank11 said:

Percy, didn't Gis finish second on the alley cat race?

When their second race came up, they knew what they had to do and did the job.

If you can't win your first race, get as many points as you can and trump the second race completely.

Auckland well and truely outscored Gisborne on the scoreboard.

Yes Gizzy did do the job but they did have the benefit of facing a somewhat weaker side than Auckland.

I believe the results on the night show that both teams are worthy of further progression and if we were taking through 6 or 8 teams both teams would have qualified.

Ironically under my 6 team system and an 8 team format it would be Auckland vs Gizzy in a knockout race to get a semi-final berth against the Pumas.

Mind you if either team had realised the points situation they could have worked out a deal on the final race and flag raced, not incurring any damage whilst manipulating the result so one team got 100 points and the other 95 which would have seen both Wellington and Auckland progress!

[nzf2stocks.]

What is needed is a rejig of the points to make winning the race the most important thing. What we dont want is the situation that happened at Huntly where one team (Allycats) won both races but didn't qualify for the final round where another team got in with one win and one loss. Thats not team racing in my mind.
So, the winning team gets 100 points, thats all. The loosing team gets points for the places they finish in, to a maximum of 90. A team that wins both races gets 200, one win and one loss gets a maximum of 190. You still have to eliminate the competitors even if your sure your team will win to keep their points total as low as possible, just in case the next round goes titsup.