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Post by BarryB on Dec 29, 2011 18:58:45 GMT 12
It appears Gaskin was already lapping alongside (inside) the 2nz BEFORE either car touched the concrete pole line (and they both did), so in fact it could be argued 6w was deflected ever so slightly by the 2nz to the left of his originally planned course - and how would he know that with his planned target already in his sights? Stop and take a look out of the window? Under no circumstances did he cross the pole line to get to Rees.
But in saying that, I've had 1/2 dozen looks at it - the officials had one.
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Post by PantherFan87 on Dec 29, 2011 19:19:02 GMT 12
and what we don't need in this thread is another sob on how the Tigers were robbed.. sticking to the title and all guys.
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Post by Shai-tan on Dec 29, 2011 19:22:19 GMT 12
What we don't need is someone coming into this thread and baiting Tiger fans.
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Post by magem on Dec 29, 2011 19:29:21 GMT 12
and what we don't need in this thread is another sob on how the Tigers were robbed.. sticking to the title and all guys. It was just a bit of a joke pantherfan87. What we can all agree on is there are inconsistencies here and maybe we need a better system. I have seen so many worse things that have never even been close to being trailered. |
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Post by busterbell on Dec 29, 2011 19:32:53 GMT 12
and what we don't need in this thread is another sob on how the Tigers were robbed.. sticking to the title and all guys. it makes ya wonder if its the same ref tho!!  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2011 19:39:43 GMT 12
Ive watched the final race several times now....thanks Petrolfumes ;D
In the footage you can see Rees using the pole line on several occasions including whilst what appears to him being chased by another driver, and on at least one instance placing the inside wheel well inside the pole line.
What happens here?
Im assuming it's the same ref calling the final that was calling the shots including the decision to trailer Gaskin, is this correct?
If so, are repeated occurrences of pole line running and inside running deemed to be the same offense as the Gaskin incident?
This is not an anti Rees sentiment from me, hell I did the voiceover for his DVD, and think the man is an absolute legend. Im looking at this incident from a consistency point of view, and think it further adds weight for SNZ to move with the times and implement some video recording equipment into all National Championship meetings.
If one person holds so much power and is the ultimate "factor" in the decision of who wins such a coveted and hard fought title, and a member of the public can produce video evidence of, why are SNZ not ushering themselves and their referees into the modern technology era? Can it not only be a positive and an unbiased tool to aid in the decision making process?
And for the record, Rees was not the only driver who can be clearly seen taking advantage of the pole line....which leaves the ref's decision on Gaskin even harder pill to swallow from a fan's point of view.
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Post by TheFanVan.co.nz on Dec 29, 2011 19:40:19 GMT 12
But in saying that, I've had 1/2 dozen looks at it - the officials had one. true Barry but there were plenty of people who saw the hit for what it actually was. The problem is I have is the official made the call and has to be held accountable. If they were not 100% sure then no action should have been taken against Paul gaskin. If they are prepared to make the call that was later found to be wrong then they should be held accountable for getting it wrong. On the exclusions for the meeting I am also really keen to see the hit which caused nick valance to be excluded on night one. It sure ended up on the grass but if it started there is another story. I think that may have been more than a bit harsh and may have been more as a result of listening to what the commentators made of it rather than what really happened , but I may be wrong so will wait for when the petrolfumes highlights vid comes out. To exclude any driver from such a big meeting an official must be 100% sure of what they saw. There also needs to be consistency in penalties applied because there was far to much inconsistency in the treatment of competitors cutting the poleline to pass and to take out rivals. |
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Post by PantherFan87 on Dec 29, 2011 19:48:45 GMT 12
To clarify, I wasn't baiting anyone. I never even brought the Tigers into it. I was just saying that it didn't need to become about them cos it has nothing to do with the Tigers!! Not directly.
That is all I was meaning.
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Post by Tapped on Dec 29, 2011 19:49:03 GMT 12
I agree, this was a bad call. But, as an ex rugby league referee I know you only get once view of things - so I understand making call on the spur of the moment pressure. However, in this day and age there is no excuse for not using the techonology available to you - to be short its just not good enough.
Good on Paul for having a go, and good on Pete for winning it again.
Bring on the teams champs, and lets see if the referees, can sort it out by then.
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Post by tank11 on Dec 29, 2011 20:00:04 GMT 12
As flag marshalls, we are asked at the conclusion of each race what we saw.
The refs need 2 to confirm an incident, before going any further.
Not sure about other tracks.
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Post by Ngahihi o te ra on Dec 29, 2011 20:37:03 GMT 12
Rotorua is a mighty place to race, and they have done so much work there over the past five or so years, BUT they really need to purchase some white paint for the pole line. Kia ora Been a while since my last posting due to business commitments. I said the same thing to a good mate of mine regarding white paint on the pole line. He has raced many times at the place of Paradise in Rotorua and his reply was short and simple. "Ngahi you know when you cross the pole line at Rotorua. There is a sharp uphill gradient slope to let you know you have crossed the line and from a drivers perspective you know when you have done it." Going by the bouncing that occurs at the front of Mr Gaskins stockcar after he crosses the pole line this certainly seems to be true. Whether he saw the pole line before he crossed it is another matter as many have pointed out. From where I saw the race high up on the bank at turn 3 it was obvious to me that the pole line was crossed by Mr Gaskin to attack Pete. I commented on it at the time to those watching the race with me. I'll put my hand up and say Good call refs from what I saw of the situation. Not an easy one to make. I also congratulate Mr Gaskin for having a go and Pete for winning the event anyway. Green flags and green lights. |
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Post by brad816 on Dec 29, 2011 20:54:38 GMT 12
Did any other ars get trailered for the same thing, if so how many and from which groups. Yes 14r got trailered heat 1 of consolation races for apparently having 4 wheels over pole line and attacking 49h I was very surprised with the call abit like gaskins hit on rees from where i was sitting anyway ;D |
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Post by widjem on Dec 29, 2011 21:04:15 GMT 12
Sadly another interesting call has detracted from a fine display of driving and commitment by all the drivers that attended this meeting. ANYONE at the top of the tree is going to get guys further down shaking away at the branches. Also its pathetic that in this day and age refs get one second to make the call without the use of video cameras etc. How many other sports dont use the readily available technology?? (is there a ref for each car??) Yes Ress does seem to have ALOT of the odd calls go his way, and YES for sure he tends to lap a lot more without others taking a potshot, but is that really his fault?? I think in regards to the calls, is it dumb luck?? I tend to think its more a case of officials knowing a driver of his class brings the crowds. As to no one wanting to take a shot, that shows the respect Ress HAS EARNT.. and now demands.. How many took shots at the legend Dave Evans on a regular basis?? Or Kerry P.?? The video seems to suggest the call was harsh. Maybe a small points deduction type of penalty system needs to be introduced? Sadly until the powers that be of speedway wake up and get out of the sixties and use the technology drivers and fans are continuously going to GET RIPPED OFF. Still it gets people away from X Factor and discussing this great sport of ours.  |
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Post by Wildcat on Dec 29, 2011 21:17:51 GMT 12
Certainly robbed the final race of a great battle ready to erupt .Everyone would have been waiting for round 2 Harsh decision on Paul he wouldve been chaffing at the bit to get back out there  bummer Bring on the teams |
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Post by brad816 on Dec 30, 2011 10:14:39 GMT 12
Awesome interview Barry nice to hear Peter Rees view as far as he was concerned it was a fair shot and knows Gaskin is not a cheat Rees was actually disappointed he couldn't get paybacks straight away and it will now have to wait lol
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Post by BarryB on Dec 30, 2011 11:25:38 GMT 12
Awesome interview Barry nice to hear Peter Rees view as far as he was concerned it was a fair shot and knows Gaskin is not a cheat Rees was actually disappointed he couldn't get paybacks straight away and it will now have to wait lol Yes, Pete's pretty honest and open about stuff isn't he, which makes him the great sportsman that he is. He admitted that he wouldn't be 1nz now if Gaskin had been rightfully allowed to take his place in the final heat. It's neat that they (Pete and Paul) talked about it at the track too, and Pete holds no malice whatsoever. He's still going to pay him back however haha. |
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Post by vf8 on Dec 30, 2011 11:48:25 GMT 12
Missed the interveiw dam it. Any chance of posting a link to relay on line. Cheers
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Post by BarryB on Dec 30, 2011 12:01:45 GMT 12
Missed the interveiw dam it. Any chance of posting a link to relay on line. Cheers If I can obtain it - most of the staff are on their "summer" holidays and they don't seem to be putting then into their "on demand" section like they usually do. Have emailed the boss to find out what's going on. |
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Post by Dirt_Fan on Dec 30, 2011 12:08:25 GMT 12
I love it how Pete was saying that Gaskin was talking to him and said he didnt want him to win for and was going to make sure of it.
But Pete was only talking about it in a matter of fact way, a great sign of on the track staying on the track.
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Post by beachboy on Dec 30, 2011 12:33:45 GMT 12
(g) Any competitor unfairly using the pole line to advantage by placing one or more wheels over the pole line to eliminate another competitor will be fined and excluded. (h) Any competitor that deliberately places one or more wheels over the pole line to avoid contact with another competitor shall be fined and excluded from the race. ;D are the rules different for teams racing? as Rees did this to a waikato car a coople of teams champs ago and was taken off for it, but got to race the rest of the meeting. Why was Gaskin not just excluded from the race it happend in like Rees, or is it because he has a W and not a P on his car? |
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