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Post by beachboy on Dec 30, 2011 12:40:53 GMT 12
If you watch petrol fumes video you will see at the very next corner Rees cuts the pole line himself to aviod being tagged by the passing car and cuts it a lot more than gaskin did.
Also when re entering the track aren't you meant to re enter the behind or equal to where you went off onto the infield.
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Post by BarryB on Dec 30, 2011 12:46:26 GMT 12
(g) Any competitor unfairly using the pole line to advantage by placing one or more wheels over the pole line to eliminate another competitor will be fined and excluded. (h) Any competitor that deliberately places one or more wheels over the pole line to avoid contact with another competitor shall be fined and excluded from the race. ;D are the rules different for teams racing? as Rees did this to a waikato car a coople of teams champs ago and was taken off for it, but got to race the rest of the meeting. Why was Gaskin not just excluded from the race it happend in like Rees, or is it because he has a W and not a P on his car? Not different, no. It doesn't actually state in the first rule above whether it's "excluded" from the race or the meeting - I'm assuming it can be either, depending on what the official decides. You could also argue he didn't actually "eliminate" Rees either, only slowed him ;D |
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Post by BarryB on Dec 30, 2011 12:52:13 GMT 12
I think there has to be some leeway, for a whole host of reasons, plus the fact that even 8 referees can never see what 8,000 sets of eyes will see - or think they see. At the end of the day it's still just a sport, and in ANY sport mistakes will happen. Technology can fix a certain amount of things, but we don't want to slow meetings down and bog everybody down with red tape and millimeter precise decisions either. OR charge drivers $1000 for a license every year or spectators $100 to watch a night's racing.
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Post by penman on Dec 30, 2011 15:14:22 GMT 12
But in saying that, I've had 1/2 dozen looks at it - the officials had one. true Barry but there were plenty of people who saw the hit for what it actually was. The problem is I have is the official made the call and has to be held accountable. If they were not 100% sure then no action should have been taken against Paul gaskin. If they are prepared to make the call that was later found to be wrong then they should be held accountable for getting it wrong. On the exclusions for the meeting I am also really keen to see the hit which caused nick valance to be excluded on night one. It sure ended up on the grass but if it started there is another story. I think that may have been more than a bit harsh and may have been more as a result of listening to what the commentators made of it rather than what really happened  , but I may be wrong so will wait for when the petrolfumes highlights vid comes out. To exclude any driver from such a big meeting an official must be 100% sure of what they saw. There also needs to be consistency in penalties applied because there was far to much inconsistency in the treatment of competitors cutting the poleline to pass and to take out rivals. At what point was Gaskin pointed to the trailer? Was he given the 'red card' whilst the race was in progress, or was this a post race penalty? If it was post-race, then there's no reason at all for it to be be based on a heat-of-the moment judgement by the referee given the amount of technology available. Drivers continue to implement new technology on their cars, fields in certain classes seem to be on the increase (just look at the number of entries for this event), fans are turning up in good numbers to support their driver (or team) of choice and NZ1 numbers are being sought with more and more determination and dedication each season. Surely selectively placed cameras could be used for 'video reviews' of areas of potential regular infringement (ie, cutting the pole line). In this case, it's really difficult to know what the officials' decision would have been based on the footage, , but at least it would be seen as a transparent and well-informed decision rather than opening itself up to suggestions of bias, favoritism, etc. |
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Post by The Godfather on Dec 30, 2011 16:26:10 GMT 12
Also when re entering the track aren't you meant to re enter the behind or equal to where you went off onto the infield. Cars must re-enter on the same straight or corner from which they left. Also the first rule that was posted above, if you are not eliminating a competitor, does that then mean that you are allowed to cross the pole-line?? |
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Post by Admin on Dec 30, 2011 16:39:27 GMT 12
not trying to hijack the thread but while the Ref got this one wrong the 45r hit was called correctly it seems to me.
Watch the very last bit of Petrol Fumes video
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Post by pallmall on Dec 30, 2011 16:53:23 GMT 12
Also when re entering the track aren't you meant to re enter the behind or equal to where you went off onto the infield. Cars must re-enter on the same straight or corner from which they left. Also the first rule that was posted above, if you are not eliminating a competitor, does that then mean that you are allowed to cross the pole-line?? They seem to get away with it as long as no advantage is gained.  About time the pole line was standardised and marked clearly at all tracks. |
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Post by rustytim on Dec 30, 2011 19:25:09 GMT 12
This issue shouldnt rear its head next year at WFG. Pole line is rather well defined at Glen concrete all round and coming into turn 1 and 3 always gets the ol Flour line as well for the big meetings. Kick the flour up and your over the line.
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Post by beachboy on Dec 30, 2011 20:35:51 GMT 12
I think there has to be some leeway, for a whole host of reasons, plus the fact that even 8 referees can never see what 8,000 sets of eyes will see - or think they see. At the end of the day it's still just a sport, and in ANY sport mistakes will happen. Technology can fix a certain amount of things, but we don't want to slow meetings down and bog everybody down with red tape and millimeter precise decisions either. OR charge drivers $1000 for a license every year or spectators $100 to watch a night's racing. Surely 8 referees couldn't get it wrong, or/and shouldn't be going on what they seen. It was a poor decision so how is it going to be fixed for next time around. Is this setting a precedent for the rest of the season now? surely it is! |
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Post by dabomba on Dec 31, 2011 10:03:48 GMT 12
Has any thought been given to putting the referees into the crowd on turns 1&2 and 3&4 with radio contact to other refs? Would allow for better decisions to be made?.... I seen on numerous occasions at many tracks where a driver has been injured and the race has continued dispite the crowd trying to get the officials attention. The placement of a official away from the track would also help with this..
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Post by tank11 on Dec 31, 2011 12:08:58 GMT 12
We had/have one in a pidgeon box on turn 4.....
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Post by m8sr8z on Dec 31, 2011 12:34:01 GMT 12
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Post by alloyplatypus on Dec 31, 2011 12:52:07 GMT 12
Just watched the Teams video, and my question is, When are you aloud to hit again? It is obvious Rees got a huge advantage, but he did release the car, he did slow down, and he didnt pass the car during his time on the grass.
If another car was following, they could have rightfully hit Rees as soon as hit the track surface again.
With the Paul and Pete hit, i think that it is ridiculous, especially under those circumstances. Paul was trying to get Pete unexpectedly, Paul got his nose in there, and it may have been the cars straightening that actually pushed his car onto the pole line. The need an inside wall or tires or DRUMS again, because the officials are not being uniform/.
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Post by HIGHWAY45 on Dec 31, 2011 13:30:42 GMT 12
good hit, great move, should of been allowed to stay in the meeting. 3rd heat would of been better then as you would of had the pink number 6 to watch...
was great he came out heat 2 without the twin sided wing and chromed rims, ready to do battle
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Post by Pazza on Dec 31, 2011 16:41:24 GMT 12
From were we were sitting on turn 3 on the night it looked all good..I think Gaskin waz hard don by my self..Thats were there is no cosistansy in the stockcar rules on & off the track...There were at least 20 different cars that got an advantage on the poll line in qualifing that qualified..The rules need 2 b enforced on both nihgts not just the finals if thats the case..Pretty s#it desision i think..
BUT Pete also deserves the 1NZ 4 an awesome drive
Feel very sorry 4 Jordan but thats racing ain't it.
Cheers Pazza..Paul Walker
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Post by The other guy on Dec 31, 2011 17:23:22 GMT 12
Good on Gaskin. Either way he gave it his best shot. Pity a few more dont attack the obvious favorite. Bet they would if he had V H or S on his car.
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, but I may be wrong so will wait for when the petrolfumes highlights vid comes out.
