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Post by knownotmuch on Jan 6, 2012 13:21:45 GMT 12
To me the obvious solution is to increase the amount of points for first place to 120 while leaving the rest the same. This way the chances of a team with a one loss one win out-pointing a team with a two win record in qualifying are significantly diminished.
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Post by kaspa69 on Jan 6, 2012 18:58:06 GMT 12
i might be of topic here but i just wanna say leave the points format that palmy currently use alone it works very well and its the same for everyone
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Post by oceans on Jan 6, 2012 23:38:15 GMT 12
The four teams that qualified for tomorrow nights semi finals each won two races tonight and it would be a travesty if in going for broke to get into the final they didnt get enough points to be in a run off for 3rd and 4th. Surely the aim in a semi is to first win not worry about points. These four teams showed that they are the best four at this meeting by virtue of their being unbeaten and the system being used devalues their efforts.
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Post by Willess on Jan 7, 2012 0:26:51 GMT 12
Exactly Oceans, well said.
They were the BEST 4 teams tonight. Each worked as a team, took their time, made excellent decisions etc.
Now just maybe..... one of them is NOT going to be racing for the silverware tomorrow, but another team that lost to the best on the night.
The Top Four Should be the Top Four!!!
Opps... I think I already said that.
My opinion only thou
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Post by gts on Jan 8, 2012 0:21:27 GMT 12
who realy cares.If you win both races on finals night you win if you lose a race on finals night then you dont win.its a championship to find the best team not the 3rd or 4th best
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Post by Crow on Jan 8, 2012 16:00:53 GMT 12
Exactly Oceans, well said. They were the BEST 4 teams tonight. Each worked as a team, took their time, made excellent decisions etc. Now just maybe..... one of them is NOT going to be racing for the silverware tomorrow, but another team that lost to the best on the night. The Top Four Should be the Top Four!!! Opps... I think I already said that. My opinion only thou Awesome weekend of teams racing,shame about the weather for Saturday night but well done to palmy for getting the meeting through.Meeanee only lost one race and ended up fighting for fifth against a team that only one a run off.There's nothing wrong with the old system. |
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Post by HIGHWAY45 on Jan 8, 2012 16:10:49 GMT 12
so how wrong would of it been if welly had managed 1, 2, 3, 4 ,5 vs kihikihi or not had a position taken off them vs Eastern States and gone into semis ahead of Eastern States??? on points, after E had won both races including beating welly.
It would of been an injustice to the blenheim boys, crowd etc as alluded to by booker57s earlier post
It would of been a living and prime example of exactly what other post have said should NOT happen
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Post by chef on Jan 8, 2012 19:55:39 GMT 12
Exactly right HIGHWAY45. The Young Guns lost to the Titians on the first night, got some lucky shots and unnoticed passing on the infield to win on the 2nd night to take third overall, why???
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Post by Wildcat on Jan 8, 2012 20:05:32 GMT 12
Exactly right HIGHWAY45. The Young Guns lost to the Titians on the first night, got some lucky shots and unnoticed passing on the infield to win on the 2nd night to take third overall, why??? Because they beat the opposition that was put in front of them on the 2nd night  |
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Post by chef on Jan 8, 2012 20:37:41 GMT 12
No Much of an oppossition 2 Wellington cars finished to 3 Titians. Wellington had to pass on in field to win real sporting!!
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Post by Beatle on Jan 8, 2012 22:26:25 GMT 12
Hey GTS the teams care.Do you appreciate the value of maintaining that top four seeding for example and only two teams can make the final but I bet you still watched all the other races that no one cares about.
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Post by tank11 on Jan 8, 2012 22:29:59 GMT 12
who realy cares.If you win both races on finals night you win if you lose a race on finals night then you dont win.its a championship to find the best team not the 3rd or 4th best And what part of the track do you belong to, inside or outside of the fence? |
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Post by BarryB on Jan 8, 2012 22:37:25 GMT 12
who realy cares.If you win both races on finals night you win if you lose a race on finals night then you dont win.its a championship to find the best team not the 3rd or 4th best I can tell you that after interviewing drivers and managers from all 12 teams, but specifically the 8 teams that made the second night, all of the teams care, A LOT. I makes for a lot of difference in what happens in 12 months time also....... You'd probably complain too, if there were only three teams races on the second night instead of seven. |
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Post by Skorp on Jan 8, 2012 22:38:58 GMT 12
who realy cares.If you win both races on finals night you win if you lose a race on finals night then you dont win.its a championship to find the best team not the 3rd or 4th best And what part of the track do you belong to, inside or outside of the fence? i dont see why that should make a difference, everyone is entitled to their opinion |
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Post by Beatle on Jan 8, 2012 22:53:28 GMT 12
As per the topic heading I more than most think top four qualifiers should race for the top four spots, and have a second tier also if you want more teams races on night two.A lot of the reasons have already been mentioned but personally I feel the Maulers have been dicked by winning three out of four races and still had to race for 5th or 6th against a team that only won a runoff all weekend.Blenheim can feel hard done by too,they also did the hard yards to qualify on night one and I feel they deserved a better result than Wgtn.
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Post by tank11 on Jan 8, 2012 23:03:20 GMT 12
And what part of the track do you belong to, inside or outside of the fence? i dont see why that should make a difference, everyone is entitled to their opinion Another seat warmer. As a multiple car owner and team member. These boys/girls(someday) put car and bodies on the line first to win championship or get the best place they can for seeding positions the following year. We had 8 races to repair our cars for the second race, the other two had 4 between races. Think that doesn't matter, come down to the pits. |
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Post by OldSchoolRacer on Jan 8, 2012 23:32:40 GMT 12
I totaly agree with Beatle ,Blenhiem were hard done by after qualifying in the top 4 with two very hard Wins and then had to race Wellington again on the second night............. The first night is for Quallifying......
The second night should be for those 4 top teams to fight it out ,if you need more unnessary races to full the programme up run the next 4 teams as a Plate Comp..........CHEERS (just my veiw)
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Post by Dirt_Fan on Jan 9, 2012 6:21:51 GMT 12
i dont see why that should make a difference, everyone is entitled to their opinion Another seat warmer. As a multiple car owner and team member. These boys/girls(someday) put car and bodies on the line first to win championship or get the best place they can for seeding positions the following year. We had 8 races to repair our cars for the second race, the other two had 4 between races. Think that doesn't matter, come down to the pits. So should the fans just sit down and shut up? Thats what your saying right? Some people say the wrong things, some people say the right things the wrong way. At the end of the day drivers and in your case owners get in my mind a bigger say as you have a lot invested but fans go in and pay to see so they are allowed to voice an opinion even if its not popular. Remember without those people on the other side of the fence itd be darn hard to keep tracks open and then where would you take your cars. However of course the top four from this year should be auto seeded as the top four next year and knocked off their position through good old fashioned car battle. |
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Post by Skorp on Jan 9, 2012 9:51:40 GMT 12
Another seat warmer. As a multiple car owner and team member. These boys/girls(someday) put car and bodies on the line first to win championship or get the best place they can for seeding positions the following year. We had 8 races to repair our cars for the second race, the other two had 4 between races. Think that doesn't matter, come down to the pits. So should the fans just sit down and shut up? Thats what your saying right? Some people say the wrong things, some people say the right things the wrong way. At the end of the day drivers and in your case owners get in my mind a bigger say as you have a lot invested but fans go in and pay to see so they are allowed to voice an opinion even if its not popular. Remember without those people on the other side of the fence itd be darn hard to keep tracks open and then where would you take your cars. However of course the top four from this year should be auto seeded as the top four next year and knocked off their position through good old fashioned car battle. exactly. and btw, i never said the drivers/car owners didnt matter. i said that it doesnt matter what side of the fence someone is on, they are still entitled to an opinion and are still entitled to express it. spectators are just as important to the sport as the drivers, with our support, the drivers would have to pay large fees to race, in order to cover the costs of hiring/maintaining the facilities they use, then no one wins |
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Post by tank11 on Jan 9, 2012 12:19:49 GMT 12
There was car racing long before paying public came along.
Now you pay and dis the drivers by saying "who cares".
As much as you pay to get through the gate, we pay that in fuel to race alone, add running costs and then repairs, travel, accomadation.
I allowed $1000 for this weekend and next weekend at Rotorua will be $600 odd for one team race.
It drivers/teams that care and spectators should care what is fair to us.
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