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Post by BarryB on Jan 20, 2013 17:10:47 GMT 12
We've become used to it in the annual Superstock Teams Champs - although even that would have been unthinkable not that many years ago - but with hundreds more Stockcars available around the country, should we be concerned already that so many teams have had to use ring-ins already just to contest that 2013 event? And, even allowing for that fact, that the event could not attract 12 teams?
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Post by farma on Jan 20, 2013 17:47:16 GMT 12
Yes.
Do we have to assume the either drivers don't want to teams race or can't afford to?
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Post by ajgullery on Jan 20, 2013 17:55:02 GMT 12
Concerned?
Hell no. It's just a sign of the times and the economy. Not everyone can afford the repair billthat nights like tonight will bring.
We should be thanking these guys from palmy for racing for the other teams.
With out them we would only have what 8 teams racing this weekend.
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Post by Graeme Mead on Jan 20, 2013 19:18:10 GMT 12
It is a sign of the times and the cost of running a car. I think that most will agree but it does cost about the same amount to run the car at its peak as it cost to buy. If the car is $20,000 and if you take the cost of labour, parts, tyres, fuel, tow vehicle expenses that you will have a bill of about 80 to 100% of that cost per season to be at the cars best. That is without the costs associated with teams racing and the bills to repair that damage can be large. The drivers that want to teams race do so because they want to and can cope with the outcomes. I think you should just be pleased that there is enough willing drivers to make teams up and to be honest we are all comfortable enough with super rugby teams hauling in players from anywhere to fill their roles and we willingly take then as our own team players.
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Post by racefan on Jan 20, 2013 19:23:44 GMT 12
Could also have a lot to do with what travel money is paid to teams. Heard that South Island Teams were offered $2000 per team to travel. (Is this correct?) That broken down over 6 cars is peanuts, compared to damage, accomodation etc. Whats a Superstock team paid, just to attend Palmy Superstock teams?
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Post by Ben Biggs on Jan 20, 2013 19:30:49 GMT 12
I know how much it costs for a SI team to travel over the Strait and $2000 would be less than half the total fare....
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Post by sandy898 on Jan 20, 2013 20:01:08 GMT 12
Could also have a lot to do with what travel money is paid to teams. Heard that South Island Teams were offered $2000 per team to travel. (Is this correct?) That broken down over 6 cars is peanuts, compared to damage, accomodation etc. Whats a Superstock team paid, just to attend Palmy Superstock teams? Pretty sure its around a couple grand travel for superstock team, and couple hundred for stockcar team. As for ring ins , i personally dont think it should be aloud..... |
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Post by kiatoa on Jan 20, 2013 20:33:27 GMT 12
If you didnt have them - how many teams would you have
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Post by droyd on Jan 20, 2013 21:34:27 GMT 12
Could also have a lot to do with what travel money is paid to teams. Heard that South Island Teams were offered $2000 per team to travel. (Is this correct?) That broken down over 6 cars is peanuts, compared to damage, accomodation etc. Whats a Superstock team paid, just to attend Palmy Superstock teams? but surely the track/club that the team is representing would help the team with travel. cause if they win the club will benefit with holding the teams champs the following year. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 21:40:02 GMT 12
Could also have a lot to do with what travel money is paid to teams. Heard that South Island Teams were offered $2000 per team to travel. (Is this correct?) That broken down over 6 cars is peanuts, compared to damage, accomodation etc. Whats a Superstock team paid, just to attend Palmy Superstock teams? but surely the track/club that the team is representing would help the team with travel. cause if they win the club will benefit with holding the teams champs the following year. thats assuming that club can secure a good sponser to help fund the meeting or else it could be tough |
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Post by racefan on Jan 20, 2013 21:56:06 GMT 12
Most of the teams do alot of fund raising behind the scenes to off set some of the costs. Huge financial costs to get the teams on the track.
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Post by alloyplatypus on Jan 20, 2013 22:06:38 GMT 12
Could also have a lot to do with what travel money is paid to teams. Heard that South Island Teams were offered $2000 per team to travel. (Is this correct?) That broken down over 6 cars is peanuts, compared to damage, accomodation etc. Whats a Superstock team paid, just to attend Palmy Superstock teams? but surely the track/club that the team is representing would help the team with travel. cause if they win the club will benefit with holding the teams champs the following year. I actually think that the fact that one club is so dominant with such a wealth of top cars is not good at all for teams unless they do share ring in's. In reality only a few clubs would probably think that their teams only had an outsiders chance of winning the title, and the others would not think they had any chance. I don't think many clubs would help their drivers at all. I think alot of the drivers will be thinking the same too.. why spend the money in travel and preparation and put in alot of risk to themselves and their car when they have little chance? It appears that less and less drivers are wanting to Teams race which is a shame, but it is understandable in this financial climate, and with such a divide in the performance of many tracks cars. |
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Post by gullz on Jan 21, 2013 5:13:17 GMT 12
I .can tell you that without the dedication of all those involved with the titans they would not have been where they are today. the drivers put in a huge amount from their own pockets. their is also a small group that raised great support from some great sponsors.As far as support from their club is concerned it is .
very limited zero financialy.With a pool of 7 stock cars in the club of which 5 are available for teams racing didn't they do well. Thank you Jordan and Brad
wish I could have been there.
Graeme Gullery
titans committee member.
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Post by pfloyd on Jan 21, 2013 6:06:52 GMT 12
I can see Barrys point about being concerned at the number of ring ins and that a number of tracks are finding it hard to find a full team. It is maybe a sign of weakening of the class in a few areas as there seems to be more each year.
From a spectator point of view I dont mind at all I just want to see teams racing !
I am waiting for someone to accuse P of conspiring to give their young guys experience for the future and it is all a grand evil plan to keep palmy at the top.
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Post by speedwaykitty on Jan 21, 2013 6:45:13 GMT 12
I am waiting for someone to accuse P of conspiring to give their young guys experience for the future and it is all a grand evil plan to keep palmy at the top. [/quote] Oh, I am sure that is still to come out  All I can say, is well done to all the drivers and thank you to all that gave up their time to put on an awesome show for us spectators. As to the ring ins..... it does show a lack in some areas that maybe cant get a team together for various reasons.. and awesome of the hosting track to be let these drivers race and give the visiting teams a complete set of drivers. |
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Post by tank11 on Jan 21, 2013 17:09:20 GMT 12
Does Ian and Nic in Gis count?
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Post by tony27 on Jan 21, 2013 18:54:35 GMT 12
They both race in gisborne don't they, sure Ian is from wangas & I've seen him race there this season but isn't he working in gisborne
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Post by sandy898 on Jan 21, 2013 19:41:09 GMT 12
They both race in gisborne don't they, sure Ian is from wangas & I've seen him race there this season but isn't he working in gisborne Ian lives and works in Wanganui, but contracts to Gizzy as he has done for last couple of years..... |
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Post by plody on Jan 21, 2013 20:42:49 GMT 12
Im prob going to piss people off with this comment but I think it should not be allowed in stockcars not yet
I doubt very much that those clubs can not have 6 cars from their own clubs to teams race maybe im wrong but i doubt it
If you can't feild a team then sorry no compete perhaps?
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Post by Beatle on Jan 21, 2013 21:17:32 GMT 12
I feel the same way.Maybe this is a chance to spread some drivers around the country.eg, If you are keen to team race then race for a club you think you can make the team.I don't mind drivers racing for clubs that dont have many cars but the likes of Ch Ch and Rotorua must surely be able to field a full team.
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