l8dog
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Post by l8dog on Feb 6, 2013 13:52:05 GMT 12
Why do we have seeded teams??? If you race for the north/south islands, New Zealands or G.P you have to qualify like everyone else so why not for the teams champs? so what if the top 3 teams from last year meet each other in the qualifying youve still got to be the best to take the trophy home.
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Post by tank11 on Feb 6, 2013 14:11:14 GMT 12
It's the way Palmy want to run it.
Nothing to do with SNZ, except on their watch.
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Post by pfloyd on Feb 6, 2013 14:12:34 GMT 12
thats what puts a bit more incentive into the second nights races for teams 5 -8 from the first night. They still have a chance to get in the top 4 and be seeded for the following year.
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Post by deanwatts88 on Feb 6, 2013 14:23:42 GMT 12
What a question.. Really it does not deserve a reply but I'm board. Seeding is for the crowds who come to see 2 full nights of close awesome racing ending in the BEST teams meeting in the semi finals or finals NOT the first rounds. Simple really. Just like ANY other professionally run tournament of any kind in any place in the world. Why do you think speedway should be different?
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Post by tony27 on Feb 6, 2013 14:32:51 GMT 12
Could be argued that it prevents a weaker team getting an easy run to the second night by facing none of the top teams & also prevents a potential match up of the previous years 2 top teams on the first night which everyone looks forward to on the second night
The 240s run a similar thing with overseas drivers going straight to the final along with last years winner & non qualifiers winner. This year there were 7 places in the final reserved for these drivers
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l8dog
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Post by l8dog on Feb 6, 2013 14:54:00 GMT 12
In rugby you have to fight your way to the top of the table. Same as in the v8 supercars. why should teams champs be a sheep and follow other sports who have seeding ? why cant we lead by example?
As teams change quite often they aren't always as strong as the previous year new cars new drivers always mixes it up. I quite like the fact that like most motor racing drivers have to qualify for the top spots front of the grids etc. Not have a easy run as such when they don't necessarily deserve it. Not saying the panthers or tigers aren't the cream of the crop but i think that come draw time all teams should have the chance to meet up with each other on the first night no matter where they finished last year.
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Post by farma on Feb 6, 2013 15:57:50 GMT 12
I think it is obvious, the reason we have seeded teams is so that the supporters of the teams who don't make the top four come Saturday night have another excuse as to why their team didn't make the semi finals and can cry about it on Macgors!
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Post by Skorp on Feb 6, 2013 16:18:43 GMT 12
It's easier to rig the draw when 4 or 5 teams are seeded ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by BarryB on Feb 6, 2013 16:55:17 GMT 12
In rugby you have to fight your way to the top of the table. Wrong. The RWC, the pinnacle of the game surely (just like this weekeend's teams action), uses seeds to form the tournaments groups. |
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Post by Skorp on Feb 6, 2013 17:05:30 GMT 12
In rugby you have to fight your way to the top of the table. Wrong. The RWC, the pinnacle of the game surely (just like this weekeend's teams action), uses seeds to form the tournaments groups. Every Tennis tournament I've ever heard of using seeding too. Olympic Archery also uses seeding as do several other Olympic sports. I'm pretty sure there are several other major sports tournaments around the world that use seeding too. |
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Post by l8dog on Feb 6, 2013 18:54:15 GMT 12
In rugby you have to fight your way to the top of the table. Wrong. The RWC, the pinnacle of the game surely (just like this weekeend's teams action), uses seeds to form the tournaments groups. that is true barry. I was thinking of the lower ranking games |
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Post by Stevo on Feb 6, 2013 19:00:14 GMT 12
Well, this event is not a lower ranked one is it? It is the pinnacle
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Post by 4zfed on Feb 6, 2013 19:09:53 GMT 12
Most sports at there pinnacle have seeding.
Soccer world cup, rugby world cup, cricket world cup etc etc
Imagine if Tigers Panthers & Lions all drew same group then we would all moan it wasnt a true semi or final.
If you earn top 4 the year before youve earned the right to be seeded and not have to meet the top teams in group stages.
Its a no brainer...
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Post by BarryB on Feb 6, 2013 19:44:04 GMT 12
I think, like with most things, there's arguments either way, but overall seeded works best. All individual speedway championships requiring qualifying through a group phase use seeded groups.
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Post by deanwatts88 on Feb 6, 2013 23:12:45 GMT 12
In rugby you have to fight your way to the top of the table. Same as in the v8 supercars. why should teams champs be a sheep and follow other sports who have seeding ? why cant we lead by example? Because to not have seeding in any tournament where people are paying to watch things culmintating in the best teams meeting the best teams at the END of the tournament would simply be stupid. Sometimes its not a matter of following for the sake of it but doing what other better funded, more professional and more experienced organisations are doing because its simply the best way.. As has been said here before.... Its a no brainer...... well since its being discussed I guess thats not true for all LOL  |
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Post by mcfly on Feb 7, 2013 6:30:11 GMT 12
I think seeding is the right way to go, but is fair to have a seeded team if the core of the team has changed? In this instance the team that placed the previous year no longer exists so should the 'new' team gain the advantage?
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Post by tank11 on Feb 7, 2013 7:04:43 GMT 12
I think seeding is the right way to go, but is fair to have a seeded team if the core of the team has changed? In this instance the team that placed the previous year no longer exists so should the 'new' team gain the advantage? YES, get over it. ;D |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 7, 2013 7:15:15 GMT 12
I think seeding is the right way to go, but is fair to have a seeded team if the core of the team has changed? In this instance the team that placed the previous year no longer exists so should the 'new' team gain the advantage? Yes. The All Blacks could change all 15 players between one World Cup and the next, but they're still the All Blacks. Any team representing any club is still the same team. What tank11 said!! |
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Post by tank11 on Feb 7, 2013 7:19:06 GMT 12
I think seeding is the right way to go, but is fair to have a seeded team if the core of the team has changed? In this instance the team that placed the previous year no longer exists so should the 'new' team gain the advantage? Yes. The All Blacks could change all 15 players between one World Cup and the next, but they're still the All Blacks. Any team representing any club is still the same team. What tank11 said!![/quote] LOL , Barry. |
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Post by mcfly on Feb 7, 2013 7:56:59 GMT 12
I think seeding is the right way to go, but is fair to have a seeded team if the core of the team has changed? In this instance the team that placed the previous year no longer exists so should the 'new' team gain the advantage? Yes. The All Blacks could change all 15 players between one World Cup and the next, but they're still the All Blacks. Any team representing any club is still the same team. What tank11 said!![/quote] LOL , Barry. "Get over it"? Never said i disagreed with it (and was never under it  ), just raising a discussion topic on a discussion board. You guys need to chill out. There is a difference between rugby world cup and stockcar teams, not least of which is the time frame between events. Remember I also said change in core of team - very unlikely to have the core of the All Black squad (60 - 70%) alter between world cups, but sometimes happens anually with stockies. Another factor is ranking, but unfortunately we do not have enough teams racing outside of the champs to adopt this. If ranking was available it would be a better way of determining the seeded teams, this would most likely would have avoided situations like a couple of years ago when the Panthers were un-seeded. |
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), just raising a discussion topic on a discussion board. You guys need to chill out. There is a difference between rugby world cup and stockcar teams, not least of which is the time frame between events. Remember I also said change in core of team - very unlikely to have the core of the All Black squad (60 - 70%) alter between world cups, but sometimes happens anually with stockies. Another factor is ranking, but unfortunately we do not have enough teams racing outside of the champs to adopt this. If ranking was available it would be a better way of determining the seeded teams, this would most likely would have avoided situations like a couple of years ago when the Panthers were un-seeded.