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Post by HIGHWAY45 on Feb 1, 2014 7:31:41 GMT 12
Barry you talk of the panthers and their credentials, achievements. You say joblin come into team as 5th driver and imply he served his apprenticeship getting knocked about etc. if he was ranked 5th in your opinion then surely any Rees replacement is ranked 16/17 as a teams racer out of Palmy..... 6 panthers, 6 Mustangs, Simon Joblin out, Humphrey for wanganui, pearson for chch....thats 15. Are the panthers really gunna use a driver that until this point has not been rated as ready/worthwhile/skilled enough to be chosen yet??? And just to chuck it out there....what say Joblin, as your 5th panthers driver, wasnt there for any valid unforseeable reason  . Does he get replaced by another driver ranked in that 16-18 bracket. A driver who has to come in nervous n wobbly. No time to learn n settle in this year i dont think. A panthers side that has been together for so long as you point out will be somewhat disrupted with Rees being replaced but imagine if 2 new drivers had to be found...,. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2014 7:40:11 GMT 12
Well said Barry and 100% on the mark. When you add up the stats the only team that would be a threat would be the Baypark Busters with their depth in teams racing , but the Hawkeyes have proven otherwise. . Nelson are always there knocking on the door but as proven in recent times that they can fall apart .
One man down in superstock racing means very little in Palmy with the stack of talent on offer .
Fairly certain the Panthers will be at the pointy end come finals...
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Post by BarryB on Feb 1, 2014 7:45:00 GMT 12
It's all passion and extremely good fun. It's GREAT fun  Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2014 7:45:46 GMT 12
I think that a lot are forgetting the fact that these Palmy guys race as a team almost all season long , the number of P drivers on the podium at all big events proves this , so slotting another driver into a team wouldn't be so hard to do.
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Post by BarryB on Feb 1, 2014 7:52:21 GMT 12
Barry you talk of the panthers and their credentials, achievements. You say joblin come into team as 5th driver and imply he served his apprenticeship getting knocked about etc. if he was ranked 5th in your opinion then surely any Rees replacement is ranked 16/17 as a teams racer out of Palmy..... 6 panthers, 6 Mustangs, Simon Joblin out, Humphrey for wanganui, pearson for chch....thats 15. Are the panthers really gunna use a driver that until this point has not been rated as ready/worthwhile/skilled enough to be chosen yet??? And just to chuck it out there....what say Joblin, as your 5th panthers driver, wasnt there for any valid unforseeable reason . Does he get replaced by another driver ranked in that 16-18 bracket. A driver who has to come in nervous n wobbly. No time to learn n settle in this year i dont think. A panthers side that has been together for so long as you point out will be somewhat disrupted with Rees being replaced but imagine if 2 new drivers had to be found...,. Just to clarify, I did say 5th ranked when Scott was first drafted into the side. And by that I meant out of the 5, not out of the entire Palmy community. It was a long term strategy at the time that has obviously worked. They are now back to being a complete team. I did not rank the current five, I wouldn't and I couldn't..... Who the Panthers choose is going to make for an interesting few days, and lots of debate once announced obviously!! Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B |
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Post by Noexpert on Feb 1, 2014 8:11:10 GMT 12
I would say that Pete's replacement will be jack mires , it's the natural progression ,he's been named the mustangs captain this year ,has proved he's a good teams racer over last couple of season at palmy teams and Auckland teams , has good car team and resources behind him and it has been a dream of Scott's to teams race in panthers with jack , but time will tell who will fill Pete's shoes , then everyone in mustangs moves up a spot , just my humble option |
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Post by HIGHWAY45 on Feb 1, 2014 8:19:51 GMT 12
And if the Panthers need more then one driver replaced as suggested in my earlier post?
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Post by Noexpert on Feb 1, 2014 8:29:47 GMT 12
Or they put Andy McCabe up but then who's 6th driver ?
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Post by conrod on Feb 1, 2014 9:58:11 GMT 12
Gee Barry the keys on the keyboard must off been Smoking for that one lol You are right ,but we all live n Hope,I dont talk palmy up because they are the Best ,I think one thing that sticks out this year is the Experience across the teams, And i do think it will take an effort like tigers in 2010 they just smashed everyone ,But theres no Higgins there now  |
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Post by l8r on Feb 1, 2014 10:27:48 GMT 12
lol Maybe Gary Parkes himself will fill the reserve slot and they leave the team as it is. dont think the mustangs will change, for the panthers, they could get anyone to fill the reserve driver slot really, chad ace could be a possible hes been going pretty good this year, but personally I dont think you will see any change in the core lineup for the panthers just my thoughts |
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Post by boner87 on Feb 1, 2014 10:37:41 GMT 12
I still think panthers can do it. They always somehow step up and show a master class of teams racing. One driver yes can make or break any teams race. I say bring on the most wide open NZ Teams Champs in years.
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Post by mcfly on Feb 1, 2014 12:31:39 GMT 12
I think it pretty disrespectful to the remaining Panther drivers to make any suggestion that they are likely to lose without Peter. One man/car does not make a team. You lot remind me of listening to that twit Keith Quin going on about Lomu, anyone would have thought that the Allblacks would disappear without him too, but it didn't work out that way did it!
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Post by sonic33 on Feb 1, 2014 12:49:31 GMT 12
I think it pretty disrespectful to the remaining Panther drivers to make any suggestion that they are likely to lose without Peter. One man/car does not make a team. You lot remind me of listening to that twit Keith Quin going on about Lomu, anyone would have thought that the Allblacks would disappear without him too, but it didn't work out that way did it! He is one of a committed and very good team. They will still be up there at the end of the meet. Spectator wise it seems it is every person for their team, and then as each gets beaten they join together and it comes down to every body vs Palmy. Obviously that works as it is at their home track, so they have the numbers to rival all the spectators that have lost their own team. This is absolutely what makes the teams champs rock. Long may it continue. I will scream and yell for Bay Park, until they are out, or win the final. Other than that I will support all that race Palmy. Tall poppy sindrome, for sure. However full respect to the Panthers, who are an absolute formidable team. |
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Post by chunkey on Feb 1, 2014 15:33:55 GMT 12
It's quite funny every year, the passion of supporters and how unrealistic some of their analysis appears. Macgor's postings seem to have built up the chances of every team in the field this year, except the Panthers, yet until last night the Panthers where the same team they've always been with some of their members going better than ever. Look at their record over the last 8 years. In that time they've had the same manager and only one driver change, Scott Joblin in for Wayne Hemi. The core nucleus of Peter Bengston, Shane Penn, Scott Miers and Peter Rees has stayed there right through, their machinery is top notch and they have home track advantage. In that 8 years they've won seven. The one they lost happened because 1/ their race winning car was DQ'd in race 1 (and we won't be getting in to a debate on whether he should have been or not) and 2/ there was an error in the format that year that pitted the wrong teams against each other in the Semi Finals. The Panthers should not have met the Tigers until the Final. Had that have happened the result may not have been different, there's no way of knowing that, but the DQ and the format error set them up on a different path than they otherwise would have been. Now Scott Joblin is an awesome driver, we all know that, but when he was first drafted into the Panthers he was so obviously driver #5. Some of it was probably nerves, coming into such a successful squad and replacing a legend - and boy did he fall over a lot. But the Panthers were looking years into the future with that decision, and now they're back to a 5 driver team. How do you beat that? How do you beat a team selected 4 years ago with a team you cobbled together a week or two out from the event? A team that contains the current 2 x NZ Champion, the current and 2 x World 240's Champion (being the current NI Champion as a bonus), a driver 5 times NZ champion in another contact class, a driver 2 times NZ champion in another class as well as being a World 240's winner.......and the irrepressible Scott Miers? A team that over all 5 cars has better machinery and resources than most? How do you beat that? Yet reading the posts above you'd swear the Panthers of 2014 were dead and buried. Can they be beaten? Sure, everybody can at some point in a one-off race, but it's going to take something very special like the Tigers brought to the table in 2010. Is that likely? In a word, no, but we all live in hope!! Individually you have 4 of the country's best individual Superstock racers of a generation, teamed together with a teams racing genius and all guided by a master in Gary Parkes. Peter Rees missing may give the opposition a glimmer of hope, but the Baypark Busters when they ruled the roost back in the day won this with only using 4 drivers all weekend. While we obviously don't know who any replacement driver for Rees might be at the moment, if I were a team manager I'd be hoping that driver will have to brought into play. Like Joblin when he first came in, nerves will play a part, Palmy is the biggest stage, and reducing them to effectively a 3 car team might be the only way. But that means somebody is going to have to damage one of the other cars so bad it cannot return. But, of course, that driver can return, although it would be in a car he is unfamiliar with. Maybe Craig Boote will change breed of cat for a weekend? I think I'd better stop now, as I'm starting to sound like a rabid Panthers supporter  What I'd like to read from these supporters of the other teams is, instead of just saying how great this team and that team looks on paper in 2014, tell us what you think they have got, to offer a challenge to the beast at the head of the table. Cos that's who you're gonna have to beat to win this thing. Or in the case of two poor teams, it's who you're going to have to beat just to make Night 2. What does YOUR team bring to the table? Barry B It's a bit like the all blacks without Richy McCaw |
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Post by numbum on Feb 1, 2014 16:03:36 GMT 12
I'll throw up another out of left field, Darryl Hammond has links to the Rees camp and has a wealth of teams experience
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Post by Ben Biggs on Feb 1, 2014 19:42:28 GMT 12
Barry - just to clear up any confusion - I wasnt saying that theyd need two drivers to replace Pete Rees - I was more stating that all drivers would move up a rung on the ladder. 6th driver becomes one of the 5 and ONE new driver becomes the 6th. Also, in response to your essay I believe the following reasons are why the Tigers may offer a challenge this year:
1) It is most likely to be Dale Ewers swansong - he will leave it all out on the track for that 1 final win, heart, body and machinery. He wont want to retire on a losing note.
2) Shane Harwood - his year so far has been outstanding, 4NZ, fantastic at 240s, often a lone ranger, will never give up. Can flag race and also dish out the hits
3) Jared Gray... enough said.
4) Blair Cunningham has matured into a great teams racer. From what Ive seen of him this year - admittedly T/Champs is a step up from a club teams race, but he performed well and is capable.
5) Dale Jnr - the new breed of superstock racer from Nelson - with a future ahead of him and plenty to prove.
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Post by tigersfan on Feb 1, 2014 20:40:55 GMT 12
i think jnr will surprise plenty if he gets on the track this time,
i sense alot of north island supporters thought his 2nz was a fluke of sorts, home track etc, but id put him in the same league as asher, jack and jordan and adam ....
very smart and hes definately got race craft, super quick car to boot
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Post by scotty10 on Feb 1, 2014 22:04:01 GMT 12
Noexpert - don't you think it's silly to take a captain out of one team and throw him into another? It's ludicrous in my opinion only 6 days out from the biggest speedway event. Teams already have systems in place, they are their own team and also have a great chance of winning the teams' after last years performance. He won't be brought into the squad I can tell you that, or any of the others mustangs. McCabe as 6th driver moves into the 5 man squad for rees, and someone who is not currently registered to a team moves in as 6th driver, simple
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Post by HIGHWAY45 on Feb 1, 2014 22:22:15 GMT 12
Where has it been said or stated that McCabe is 6th driver? Lots of ppl are saying its Barr and his car is being used by the poms. If another Panther is not available (chance of this is present) then 2 drivers need sourcing and then a new 6th driver.
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Post by scotty10 on Feb 1, 2014 22:41:48 GMT 12
Who is this other panther you think might need replacing and why? The panthers squad as of last week was unchanged, thus being McCabe 6th D. I do think Barr should be in there however, had a stellar season
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. Does he get replaced by another driver ranked in that 16-18 bracket. A driver who has to come in nervous n wobbly. No time to learn n settle in this year i dont think. 
