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Post by MadMarty13B on Feb 4, 2014 20:51:40 GMT 12
Happened to Palmy in 2005 as well we (the Allstars) only needed to finish 2nd 3rd and 4th against the Panthers to make the semis and we achieved that
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Post by mordecai on Feb 4, 2014 20:52:35 GMT 12
Happened to Palmy in 2005 as well we (the Allstars) only needed to finish 2nd 3rd and 4th against the Panthers to make the semis and we achieved that when are ya going to be in a team again ? |
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Post by MadMarty13B on Feb 4, 2014 20:55:17 GMT 12
Next season for sure before I get too old
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Post by rebelnvodka on Feb 4, 2014 21:15:42 GMT 12
only 3 races between the W & HB 2nd races but the P gets 7 races to fix their cars! What's up with that?  seeded teams get longer breaks.... them the royalties of finishing top 4 the year before... its always been like that nothings changed  I think it's a bit unfair that the seeded teams get 7 races in-between to repair vs the rest who get only 3 ... Then again the same could be said for the team in each group that doesn't race in the first race for their group.. Go the Rebels!! |
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Post by l8r on Feb 4, 2014 21:24:22 GMT 12
GB lions i reckon have the hardest group to qualify in, got to feel for these guys night 1 and look who they meet, nelson and the rebels it don't get much tougher than that for a team thats new, but also just teams races but once a year
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Post by Pazza on Feb 4, 2014 21:48:20 GMT 12
I wouldn't feel 2 sorry 4 the poms..They come over her & given some of our top gear 2 compete with..Not like wen we go ova there we get given sh1t..
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Post by BarryB on Feb 5, 2014 5:29:53 GMT 12
Yes, there are quite a few scenarios whereby a team with two wins can get beaten. A team needs to win at least one to progress, but if you can't win the first one a narrow loss can keep you in contention. A win with a couple of other cars in the points in R2 will often still get you through. Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B Are you talking last year Barry? Two wins in a group is Gauranteed top 4 this year. No, as per the points example posted on the previous page, and expanded below (and other scenarios close to it, with 5th place only worth 10 points), even under this year's format 2 narrow wins can still be beaten by a team securing 1 big win and one narrow loss (with the third team scoring two losses, 1 narrow and one heavy). Two wins does not guarantee a top 4 for night 2. Team A; 100 (win only) + 100 (win only) = 200 points Team B; 95 (2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th) + 185 (first 4 home) = 280 points Team C; 95 (2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th) + 10 (5th) = 105 points Team B with 1 win and 1 loss beat team A with 2 wins by 80 points. Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B |
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Post by tank11 on Feb 5, 2014 6:45:59 GMT 12
Are you talking last year Barry? Two wins in a group is guaranteed top 4 this year. No, as per the points example posted on the previous page, and expanded below (and other scenarios close to it, with 5th place only worth 10 points), even under this year's format 2 narrow wins can still be beaten by a team securing 1 big win and one narrow loss (with the third team scoring two losses, 1 narrow and one heavy). Two wins does not guarantee a top 4 for night 2. Team A; 100 (win only) + 100 (win only) = 200 points Team B; 95 (2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th) + 105 110 (first + 5th) = 205 points Team C; 95 (2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th) + 10 85 (2,3,4) = 185 180 points Team B with 1 win and 1 loss beat team A with 2 wins by 5 points. Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B Gets even worse Barry, their second race the won and got 5th = 105 110 pts, total 205 |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 5, 2014 7:33:20 GMT 12
I don't actually see anything wrong with the points as they stand.....100, 40, 25, 20, 10. Are you suggesting two wins should guarantee a Night 2 spot?
Let's do it on the terracotta,
Barry B
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Post by boner87 on Feb 5, 2014 8:31:35 GMT 12
First past the post only works for night two. The idea of points on night one is so that it's actual teams racing. We have all seen the races where a team needs 1 thru 4 to advance and how some teams can pull it off and others cant
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Post by Tapped on Feb 5, 2014 10:11:07 GMT 12
i must say I am a fan of the groups approach - -if you dont top your group you dont make the top. Never liked the other approach. That won't stop people from complaining that their team won both races but still didn't top the group. Thats rigth you wont. They will always be people who will complain about the format. |
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Post by chunkey on Feb 5, 2014 10:49:47 GMT 12
That won't stop people from complaining that their team won both races but still didn't top the group. Thats rigth you wont. They will always be people who will complain about the format. That's now why we have a whinges thread! They can complain as much as they like. |
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Post by sonic33 on Feb 5, 2014 18:14:16 GMT 12
Are you talking last year Barry? Two wins in a group is Gauranteed top 4 this year. No, as per the points example posted on the previous page, and expanded below (and other scenarios close to it, with 5th place only worth 10 points), even under this year's format 2 narrow wins can still be beaten by a team securing 1 big win and one narrow loss (with the third team scoring two losses, 1 narrow and one heavy). Two wins does not guarantee a top 4 for night 2. Team A; 100 (win only) + 100 (win only) = 200 points Team B; 95 (2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th) + 185 (first 4 home) = 280 points Team C; 95 (2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th) + 10 (5th) = 105 points Team B with 1 win and 1 loss beat team A with 2 wins by 80 points. Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B Oh yes, not really rocket science. How dumb am I.................... Don't answer that. |
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Post by graemeh on Feb 5, 2014 18:56:44 GMT 12
I don't actually see anything wrong with the points as they stand.....100, 40, 25, 20, 10. Are you suggesting two wins should guarantee a Night 2 spot? Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B Personally I do think two wins from the group format should guarantee a Night 2 top four place. My reason for this is we end up with two very different types of tactics having to be used by teams and if the finals are to be decided by "first past the post wins" then the qualifying should be as well. Simple change would be to award 200 pts for a win. That would mean in the event of each team winning one race you can still have a group winner. Cant think of any other sport where the method of winning changes after qualifying. If points were so important why aren't the finals decided by a points system. The current points system was introduced as a method of getting your finalist but with the intent that having the winning car meant you won the race and so the public didn't have to be lapscorers to know who won. Teams in the past who won both races and missed out have good reason to be disappointed. But I'm an old fart and subject to brain fade and memory loss |
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Post by pfloyd on Feb 5, 2014 19:31:39 GMT 12
unless you really want to give everyone a migraine and carry points forward to the second night then points don't matter in the championship draw as 100pts for first beats 95 for 2,3,4 and 5 placing's.
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Post by Admin on Feb 5, 2014 19:56:30 GMT 12
I don't actually see anything wrong with the points as they stand.....100, 40, 25, 20, 10. Are you suggesting two wins should guarantee a Night 2 spot? Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B Personally I do think two wins from the group format should guarantee a Night 2 top four place. My reason for this is we end up with two very different types of tactics having to be used by teams and if the finals are to be decided by "first past the post wins" then the qualifying should be as well. Simple change would be to award 200 pts for a win. That would mean in the event of each team winning one race you can still have a group winner. Cant think of any other sport where the method of winning changes after qualifying. If points were so important why aren't the finals decided by a points system. The current points system was introduced as a method of getting your finalist but with the intent that having the winning car meant you won the race and so the public didn't have to be lapscorers to know who won. Teams in the past who won both races and missed out have good reason to be disappointed. But I'm an old fart and subject to brain fade and memory loss I'm old too so understandable I think the same. What we have now is the very reason the points were changed way back when often the winner wasn't the winner. The system used must be easy for the crowd to understand. 2 wins on night one is the easiest for them to understand a team has qualified . |
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Post by mcfly on Feb 5, 2014 20:16:16 GMT 12
Personally I do think two wins from the group format should guarantee a Night 2 top four place. My reason for this is we end up with two very different types of tactics having to be used by teams and if the finals are to be decided by "first past the post wins" then the qualifying should be as well. Simple change would be to award 200 pts for a win. That would mean in the event of each team winning one race you can still have a group winner. Cant think of any other sport where the method of winning changes after qualifying. If points were so important why aren't the finals decided by a points system. The current points system was introduced as a method of getting your finalist but with the intent that having the winning car meant you won the race and so the public didn't have to be lapscorers to know who won. Teams in the past who won both races and missed out have good reason to be disappointed. But I'm an old fart and subject to brain fade and memory loss I'm old too so understandable I think the same. What we have now is the very reason the points were changed way back when often the winner wasn't the winner. The system used must be easy for the crowd to understand. 2 wins on night one is the easiest for them understand a team has qualified . Agreed. With even groups like this year it is the only way it should be done. |
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Post by tony27 on Feb 5, 2014 20:49:50 GMT 12
Personally I don't think a team who only just scrapes 2 wins & no other cars in the top 5 in either race deserves to go through, after all it is called teams racing not flag racing
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Post by BarryB on Feb 5, 2014 20:50:28 GMT 12
The only drawback I can see to that is possibly a number of "dead" races in the last round.......but things like this always make for good debate.
Let's do it on the terracotta,
Barry B
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Post by graemeh on Feb 5, 2014 21:37:28 GMT 12
Personally I don't think a team who only just scrapes 2 wins & no other cars in the top 5 in either race deserves to go through, after all it is called teams racing not flag racing The age old debate first across the line or points. Fortunately for me, from my (and I suspect a lot of spectators) point of view, the finals are decided by first across the line which I prefer. Regardless of the format I'm going to enjoy this weekend, bound to be the odd quiet race for lots of reasons, and as is normally the case the final is between to teams deserving to be there and equally matched. |
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