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Post by stevo on Feb 8, 2014 11:31:53 GMT 12
Exactly righturn. 71c was about to destroy him going into tirn 1 and he blayently when to the grass to avoid the hit and pulled back on as soon as the car had past. Shud been excluded immediatly
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Post by Wildcat on Feb 8, 2014 13:03:37 GMT 12
At stoccar teams thay told us that they were guna be tough in infield infringement and i think that if a car offends thay should be takien off then and there so they dont influence the race anymore. I didnt see miers or joblins offences they must of been justified. I saw a couple offence last night that tjat i couldnt beleave my eyes that they werent remove. 1 of which was proberly the worst case of seeking santuary ive ever seen but hey im not a ref. Jack miers turn 1 against the glen eagles? Seen that last night live couldnt believe it ,he wasnt pulled ,,,, |
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Post by sketchy on Feb 8, 2014 13:58:51 GMT 12
lets just say, they had a stop go penalty box. I could use it to advantage couldn't I?
were behind, I commit an indiscretion, I sit in the box the allotted time, come out and hit the pace maker(Ive watched from the bin)change the race for the better for my team because I used a flaw in the rules to my advantage... No sir I don't like it.
relegate points after race? I commit an offence, my team mates block for me, and I am the only car to get points, get excluded. POO!
so the only real tangible penalty is immediate exclusion. I can no longer alter the course of events, my team is not disadvantaged trying to protect a car that cant earn points. I try my hardest to stay within the confines of the rules to ensure I don't ruin my teams chances.
we are then relying on the fairness and consistency of the refs to ensure I can be judged to compete fairly, within the rules. but its a bit to "judge dredd" like, no recourse if its found to be a bum call though.
I don't race, but gotta play devils advocate here
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Post by Pazza on Feb 8, 2014 14:10:52 GMT 12
AGREE..cant go to grass then pop out behind opponents after doing 1/4 lap on grass beside poleline..Classed as seeking sanction aint it...There is totally no concistancy within SuperStock OR StockCar teams racing calls..Been some Shockers this season..Thought Joblin & Podjursky calls pretty tuff...
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Post by righturn on Feb 8, 2014 14:12:20 GMT 12
Jack miers turn 1 against the glen eagles? Seen that last night live couldnt believe it ,he wasnt pulled ,,,, Was good in the warriors race tho he got feed into turn 1 hard |
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Post by Wildcat on Feb 8, 2014 14:18:28 GMT 12
If the video stream hadnt sucked a kumera would have enjoyed seeing that
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2014 14:54:02 GMT 12
just watched the replay, and if KP was taken off for reversing half the tank into the infield and touch lightly Adam Joblin who was behind him, after hitting KP i'm sorry then that decision was what the refs may have been eating......NUTS!
After watching the race roll on, KP wasn't taken off for another 2 laps, after Joblin hit him and again half the tank was on the inside of the pole line and apparently thats what he was taken off for, and again decision was a bit harsh for what it actually was!
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Post by palmifan4life on Feb 8, 2014 15:51:45 GMT 12
At stoccar teams thay told us that they were guna be tough in infield infringement and i think that if a car offends thay should be takien off then and there so they dont influence the race anymore. I didnt see miers or joblins offences they must of been justified. I saw a couple offence last night that tjat i couldnt beleave my eyes that they werent remove. 1 of which was proberly the worst case of seeking santuary ive ever seen but hey im not a ref. Jack miers turn 1 against the glen eagles? I'm all for the Wanganui win though the wall was used. Would have ruined it if the ref had called that race as no one could finish. And I'm all for the hard lines BUT there were blatent attacts on cars where it went onto the infield and cars didn't back off i saw one car do it twice in front of the grandstand and get away with it. If your gonna be hard be hard on every team. I support my town and also good racing. Shame when the crowd pays twice as much as any other event to have it ruined by over officiating. There has to be a middle ground. As one other post said in sports if the ref makes a mistake that effects the outcome of the match view are held accountable. Why are our refs above that. Also at the stockcar teams whole teams were disqualified for offensives that changed the race. Inconsistencies with the SPEEDWAY NEW ZEALAND REFS contrary to belief they are not PN ref's |
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Post by palmifan4life on Feb 8, 2014 15:54:26 GMT 12
just watched the replay, and if KP was taken off for reversing half the tank into the infield and touch lightly Adam Joblin who was behind him, after hitting KP i'm sorry then that decision was what the refs may have been eating......NUTS! After watching the race roll on, KP wasn't taken off for another 2 laps, after Joblin hit him and again half the tank was on the inside of the pole line and apparently thats what he was taken off for, and again decision was a bit harsh for what it actually was! yes KP was also screwed by the ref calls last night. These calls changed outcomes. If cars get disqualified can't ref's |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2014 15:59:15 GMT 12
just watched the replay, and if KP was taken off for reversing half the tank into the infield and touch lightly Adam Joblin who was behind him, after hitting KP i'm sorry then that decision was what the refs may have been eating......NUTS! After watching the race roll on, KP wasn't taken off for another 2 laps, after Joblin hit him and again half the tank was on the inside of the pole line and apparently thats what he was taken off for, and again decision was a bit harsh for what it actually was! yes KP was also screwed by the ref calls last night. These calls changed outcomes. If cars get disqualified can't ref's It's a good question, Do they have a head honcho who sits back and critiques their performance? And if their performance is deemed to be sub standard what happens in this instance? Am I right in assuming most of these guys are volunteers? |
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Post by percy on Feb 8, 2014 16:45:20 GMT 12
The previous 4 pages of comments highlight an issue that we have in speedway.
When you go to a rugby game the referee signals the infringement when he blows his whistle. We you go to the cricket the umpire signals his decision. When you watch the Formula 1 the information flashes up on your television screen or if live a commentator will inform you.
Yet in speedway the norm is no communication whatsoever between officials and fans. Is it any wonder speedway fans, who have paid big dollars to get into the venue get a little upset when they can't comprehend what is going on in front of them?
Would it be so hard for an official to provide a 30 second to 1 minute summary of what was said in drivers briefing so the fans can be informed as to what areas will be looked at? Would it be so hard for officials to have a line of communication with a commentator so the fans can be informed on what they are seeing in front of them?
Our passionate speedway fans are paying top dollar to get in the gate only to be treated poorly. It's time things changed.
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Post by youngone on Feb 8, 2014 17:13:29 GMT 12
The previous 4 pages of comments highlight an issue that we have in speedway. When you go to a rugby game the referee signals the infringement when he blows his whistle. We you go to the cricket the umpire signals his decision. When you watch the Formula 1 the information flashes up on your television screen or if live a commentator will inform you. Yet in speedway the norm is no communication whatsoever between officials and fans. Is it any wonder speedway fans, who have paid big dollars to get into the venue get a little upset when they can't comprehend what is going on in front of them? Would it be so hard for an official to provide a 30 second to 1 minute summary of what was said in drivers briefing so the fans can be informed as to what areas will be looked at? Would it be so hard for officials to have a line of communication with a commentator so the fans can be informed on what they are seeing in front of them? Our passionate speedway fans are paying top dollar to get in the gate only to be treated poorly. It's time things changed. How many times have the public asked for that ?? Go back through the threads on this site and it is a recurring theme! |
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Post by steeldog on Feb 9, 2014 7:43:29 GMT 12
lets just say, they had a stop go penalty box. I could use it to advantage couldn't I? were behind, I commit an indiscretion, I sit in the box the allotted time, come out and hit the pace maker(Ive watched from the bin)change the race for the better for my team because I used a flaw in the rules to my advantage... No sir I don't like it. relegate points after race? I commit an offence, my team mates block for me, and I am the only car to get points, get excluded. POO! so the only real tangible penalty is immediate exclusion. I can no longer alter the course of events, my team is not disadvantaged trying to protect a car that cant earn points. I try my hardest to stay within the confines of the rules to ensure I don't ruin my teams chances. we are then relying on the fairness and consistency of the refs to ensure I can be judged to compete fairly, within the rules. but its a bit to "judge dredd" like, no recourse if its found to be a bum call though. I don't race, but gotta play devils advocate here just thinking out loud... How about you get "garaged" for 30 sec of racing time. The garage could just be 2 short walls on the infield that you must park between that would limit what you can see and therefore plan. |
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Post by tank11 on Feb 9, 2014 8:44:26 GMT 12
lets just say, they had a stop go penalty box. I could use it to advantage couldn't I? were behind, I commit an indiscretion, I sit in the box the allotted time, come out and hit the pace maker(Ive watched from the bin)change the race for the better for my team because I used a flaw in the rules to my advantage... No sir I don't like it. relegate points after race? I commit an offence, my team mates block for me, and I am the only car to get points, get excluded. POO! so the only real tangible penalty is immediate exclusion. I can no longer alter the course of events, my team is not disadvantaged trying to protect a car that cant earn points. I try my hardest to stay within the confines of the rules to ensure I don't ruin my teams chances. we are then relying on the fairness and consistency of the refs to ensure I can be judged to compete fairly, within the rules. but its a bit to "judge dredd" like, no recourse if its found to be a bum call though. I don't race, but gotta play devils advocate here just thinking out loud... How about you get "garaged" for 30 sec of racing time. The garage could just be 2 short walls on the infield that you must park between that would limit what you can see and therefore plan. Thinking the same.........30-60 second stop when wheels stop moving or racing time. |
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Post by aaronandpetra on Feb 9, 2014 9:30:44 GMT 12
I would say its a fair result for the panthers. After 30 plus years of palmy officials looking the other way,or changing results, of rigging the draw so top teams face each other on qualifying nights, and of the panthers always racing there first race against a team that has already done one race, I say these results are down right justified and great to see! Go the bAyyyyyyyyyy!!!! Anyone out there agrees, give this post a like hahahahaha Pretty sure the ref is from rotorua or has this changed this year? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2014 10:00:09 GMT 12
The commentators talked up going to Ross Thurston to get an explanation as to Friday night rulings etc but never did.
Rather annoyed that we didn't get the word from the horses mouth so to speak....one commentator in the box, two on the infield and a roving pit reporter. Information is key for the punters.....communication needs to improve a lot.
Was suggested to me a NFL style situation is ideal, ref has a mic pack and when relaying a ruling to the infield the mic feed is sent to the crowd at the same time. Simple really win win and the crowd knows what is going on instead of being left in the dark all weekend.
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Post by boner87 on Feb 9, 2014 10:45:07 GMT 12
At palmy they do have a phone line between the ref and the commentary box. It was used to great effect during stockcar teams and nzs. Why it was not used to the full extent over the weekend is a puzzle to me. But it is good to see some who knows what there talking about in the commentary box and on the infeild.
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Post by midway on Feb 9, 2014 11:32:01 GMT 12
The previous 4 pages of comments highlight an issue that we have in speedway. When you go to a rugby game the referee signals the infringement when he blows his whistle. We you go to the cricket the umpire signals his decision. When you watch the Formula 1 the information flashes up on your television screen or if live a commentator will inform you. Yet in speedway the norm is no communication whatsoever between officials and fans. Is it any wonder speedway fans, who have paid big dollars to get into the venue get a little upset when they can't comprehend what is going on in front of them? Would it be so hard for an official to provide a 30 second to 1 minute summary of what was said in drivers briefing so the fans can be informed as to what areas will be looked at? Would it be so hard for officials to have a line of communication with a commentator so the fans can be informed on what they are seeing in front of them? Our passionate speedway fans are paying top dollar to get in the gate only to be treated poorly. It's time things changed. Yes Percy great thinking ,But have you ASK the security question on the poor fellow that has made the wrong decision in a crowd of what you could say at times disorderly people ,has been a topic on here on beer throwing cans etc .I think blowing the whistle is fine when you are a overseas ref and another country to hide in after the game ,but here is a little different and if you read the comment on some refs from rotorua at the moment i think the steam is still rising . |
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Post by mcfly on Feb 9, 2014 14:29:56 GMT 12
I would say its a fair result for the panthers. After 30 plus years of palmy officials looking the other way,or changing results, of rigging the draw so top teams face each other on qualifying nights, and of the panthers always racing there first race against a team that has already done one race, I say these results are down right justified and great to see! Go the bAyyyyyyyyyy!!!! Anyone out there agrees, give this post a like hahahahaha Dislike. What a joke this comment is. weather you support a team or not, how can you like to win like that. Very bloody easily as a HB supporter. We seem to be consistently on the back end of dubious calls. If the Panthers had followed the rules they would not have been sent off. Many of the high profile Palmy (and other) attack cars consistently put one or two wheels over the pole when lining up a hit entering a corning. Very, very pleasing to see this sort of cheating is being penalised. And sending an offending car off for it, irrespective of that cars 25% stake in the team is far better than what has happened to HB in the past! Remember Paul Demanser miss reading the start in one race and lightly hitting an opposition car? He stopped, the hit had no effect on the other car or the race, the race then started as normal, Steve Jude won the race, and then the entire HB side was disqualified after the race for the 29B "hit" that didn't even scratch paint! So sending off for consistant pole line cheating? Bloody oath, keep it up ref! |
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Post by mcfly on Feb 9, 2014 14:37:54 GMT 12
I was there, and Yes I support the panthers, Its amazing to me that there is people at the track saying that the "P" was smashed, I guess that is correct, the "P" was smashed BUT by the Ref,s If I was a Bay supporter, yes I would love the win, but I would not be boasting about it. The ref,s Is there some penalty for them. In any other sport, if the ref made such out there calls that clearly caused the result of any contest, then that ref would be name shamed and dropped to a lower div. We all know the calls on Podjursky, Joblin and Miers were Crap. No matter who you support. Rubbish. In any other sport, "if the ref made such out there calls that clearly caused the result of any contest, then that ref would be name shamed and dropped to a lower div", Only if those calls were incorrect, and in the Joblin and Miers case at least, the calls were correct. Read the rule regarding the infield. Break the rules, suffer the consequence. Why should a team who is following rules have to be disadvantaged by having to continue to race against someone who is cheating!! |
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