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Post by tony27 on Feb 11, 2014 7:09:12 GMT 12
Yep, definitely drove around the back of Dare(at the 5 minute mark) I don't see how you work that out, he spins Dare across his bumper on the grass & keeps going, couldn't see the any of Dare's car view when he reentered the track. Are you saying if you spin someone on the grass then you're in front of them if they're facing you? |
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Post by palmifan4life on Feb 11, 2014 8:04:48 GMT 12
Did anyone else notice Penn jumping the start against Auckland? I sit right by the start/finish line and it was very obvious.
yep, and if you were sitting higher or on the other side of the track you saw the akld car jump forward as well. I'm not sure who started but end result sees akld pushing penn forward would need the slow motion to see who moved first. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 8:23:31 GMT 12
Yep, definitely drove around the back of Dare(at the 5 minute mark) I don't see how you work that out, he spins Dare across his bumper on the grass & keeps going, couldn't see the any of Dare's car view when he reentered the track. Are you saying if you spin someone on the grass then you're in front of them if they're facing you? IMO after watching that incar Shane did not spin dare. Dares LF was buggerd he pushed Shane to the grass shane then let off and braked abit Dare then slid off Shane and spun on the grass not becuase harwood spun him but becuase of his LF was gone and that then unloades the car and caused him to spin infield Shane then let off and went BEHIND dare and then re-enterd the track. He should not of had to do a loop as he went behind Dare not around him which makes what Shane did pefectely legal and very much robbed in that race from a bad call. |
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Post by tony27 on Feb 11, 2014 8:37:16 GMT 12
I thought the rule was that the car taken off the track was not allowed to reenter the track in front of the car who forced them off which is why lots of blockers park up, Dare forced him off track so he needed to come back onto the track behind where Dare had stopped
That had to be how the refs saw it as well
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Post by Admin on Feb 11, 2014 8:44:26 GMT 12
It's pretty obvious Dare forced Harwood infield and was the attacking car. Harwood (once he had scrubbed off momentum) needed to return and re-enter the track behind Dare's position rather than pass him on the grass. That's the way the Ref saw it and ruled it. The penalty wasn't exclusion from the race but a relegation. The drivers moaned about cars being removed from the races on Friday night for such minor offences but in this case the Tigers would rather have had the race redded so at least they could possibly have regrouped and played the game differently for the remaining laps. Which ever way the Ref goes there will be unhappy people. It must be always remembered that the passing has to be done on the track and that the pole line is not part of the track, it belongs to the infield  screen capture open source |
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Post by bowee51v on Feb 11, 2014 9:07:35 GMT 12
Apart from knowing how Red Wakas there are, how many times did they say Jordan Dare was in RW1? Not sure if you go to palmy often but the commentary is not first rate on any night. Constant wrong info, lack of knowledge about racing rules from said commentator. This is a normal thing for us. The addition of McCarthy and co was good but a regular change needs to happen. I'll do it even or get iaccelerate to do it i spoke to Ross thurston every incident was phoned through to the commentary box and yes the local commentator has enough problems on a normal nite gee he was probely so confused he didn't pass all information on come on palmy promotion time for a change |
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Post by busterbell on Feb 11, 2014 9:10:58 GMT 12
Have just spoken with referee Rod McNaughton and it was the second incident where both Harwood and Dare spun infield the Nelson car was pinged for. so he was the head referee?? |
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Post by 4zfed on Feb 11, 2014 9:16:06 GMT 12
Is if fair that a car that pops wheels on to the grass but hinders no other car be completely excluded from a race yet when the red lights come on cars keep rolling and gaining huge amounts of track over opposition cars.
A team only has 4 cars and it seems a huge penalty to lose 1/4 of your team for wheels on the grass. How bout taking them back 1/4 of a lap or something.
Lets not be 1 eyed cause it happened to the Palmy team cause 1 day it will be your team..i think it is harsh on the team but also the paying public who payed to watch 4 v 4.
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Post by busterbell on Feb 11, 2014 9:18:16 GMT 12
It's pretty obvious Dare forced Harwood infield and was the attacking car. Harwood (once he had scrubbed off momentum) needed to return and re-enter the track behind Dare's position rather than pass him on the grass. That's the way the Ref saw it and ruled it. The penalty wasn't exclusion from the race but a relegation. The drivers moaned about cars being removed from the races on Friday night for such minor offences but in this case the Tigers would rather have had the race redded so at least they could possibly have regrouped and played the game differently for the remaining laps. Which ever way the Ref goes there will be unhappy people. It must be always remembered that the passing has to be done on the track and that the pole line is not part of the track, it belongs to the infield screen capture open sourcewhat was harwood expected to do from here?? chase dare onto the infield to where ever he careened off too and then circle him?? as i see it dare is wildly out of control, harwood is not in contact, his way forward is clear and he is re-entering behind dare not in front........ this decision was made after the race conclusion........funny that  |
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Post by 4zfed on Feb 11, 2014 9:23:28 GMT 12
In the first hit Harwood put on Dare, Harwood exits the track between turns 3 & 4 but re enters the track by the looks over halfway down the front straight whats the rule on that matter?
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Post by busterbell on Feb 11, 2014 9:25:17 GMT 12
Is if fair that a car that pops wheels on to the grass but hinders no other car be completely excluded from a race yet when the red lights come on cars keep rolling and gaining huge amounts of track over opposition cars. A team only has 4 cars and it seems a huge penalty to lose 1/4 of your team for wheels on the grass. How bout taking them back 1/4 of a lap or something. Lets not be 1 eyed cause it happened to the Palmy team cause 1 day it will be your team..i think it is harsh on the team but also the paying public who payed to watch 4 v 4. its more advantageous in open racing than teams, but the trick is roll 50m forward, get put back 30m and gain 20m. most who know this do it and will continue to do this. it has been happening forever! for those really on the ball they roll back into a more advantageous starting position. |
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Post by Admin on Feb 11, 2014 9:26:26 GMT 12
Have just spoken with referee Rod McNaughton and it was the second incident where both Harwood and Dare spun infield the Nelson car was pinged for. so he was the head referee?? Yes |
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Post by Admin on Feb 11, 2014 9:31:22 GMT 12
It's pretty obvious Dare forced Harwood infield and was the attacking car. Harwood (once he had scrubbed off momentum) needed to return and re-enter the track behind Dare's position rather than pass him on the grass. That's the way the Ref saw it and ruled it. The penalty wasn't exclusion from the race but a relegation. The drivers moaned about cars being removed from the races on Friday night for such minor offences but in this case the Tigers would rather have had the race redded so at least they could possibly have regrouped and played the game differently for the remaining laps. Which ever way the Ref goes there will be unhappy people. It must be always remembered that the passing has to be done on the track and that the pole line is not part of the track, it belongs to the infield what was harwood expected to do from here?? chase dare onto the infield to where ever he careened off too and then circle him?? as i see it dare is wildly out of control, harwood is not in contact, his way forward is clear and he is re-entering behind dare not in front........ this decision was made after the race conclusion........funny that Return to the track at a point behind Dare's relative position or at the very least the point where they both left the track. He might have passed behind Dare's rear bumper but not his relative position to the track or where they came off the track. |
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Post by tony27 on Feb 11, 2014 9:36:01 GMT 12
Good to see I'm correct in my understanding of what happened
I remember in 1 of the Lions races 1 of their cars went off on the back straight & only managed to gather things up just before the exit of turn 4, quite a few cars went past him before he then looped back & reentered on the back straight. It wouldn't have made any difference in reality where he reentered the track as there was no one near him but he still did the right thing costing him at least a lap, if someone with no or limited teams racing experience can remember the rule then the guys who have done it numerous times should know better
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Post by Admin on Feb 11, 2014 9:36:03 GMT 12
Not sure if you go to palmy often but the commentary is not first rate on any night. Constant wrong info, lack of knowledge about racing rules from said commentator. This is a normal thing for us. The addition of McCarthy and co was good but a regular change needs to happen. I'll do it even or get iaccelerate to do it i spoke to Ross thurston every incident was phoned through to the commentary box and yes the local commentator has enough problems on a normal nite gee he was probely so confused he didn't pass all information on come on palmy promotion time for a change With the two commentators on the infield going full on most of the time getting a word in edge ways may have been part of the problem for the local commentator. The Stockcar teams with two commentators in the box and one infield yielded a better result for us listeners info wise. |
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Post by tony27 on Feb 11, 2014 9:40:24 GMT 12
It's pretty obvious Dare forced Harwood infield and was the attacking car. Harwood (once he had scrubbed off momentum) needed to return and re-enter the track behind Dare's position rather than pass him on the grass. That's the way the Ref saw it and ruled it. The penalty wasn't exclusion from the race but a relegation. The drivers moaned about cars being removed from the races on Friday night for such minor offences but in this case the Tigers would rather have had the race redded so at least they could possibly have regrouped and played the game differently for the remaining laps. Which ever way the Ref goes there will be unhappy people. It must be always remembered that the passing has to be done on the track and that the pole line is not part of the track, it belongs to the infield screen capture open sourcewhat was harwood expected to do from here?? chase dare onto the infield to where ever he careened off too and then circle him?? as i see it dare is wildly out of control, harwood is not in contact, his way forward is clear and he is re-entering behind dare not in front........ this decision was made after the race conclusion........funny that If it had been the other way round would you still have the same question? |
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Post by busterbell on Feb 11, 2014 9:41:24 GMT 12
so he was the head referee?? Yes as i suspected, the claim of neutral refs was a smokescreen........the man in ultimate control is still palmy biased  |
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Post by busterbell on Feb 11, 2014 9:49:02 GMT 12
what was harwood expected to do from here?? chase dare onto the infield to where ever he careened off too and then circle him?? as i see it dare is wildly out of control, harwood is not in contact, his way forward is clear and he is re-entering behind dare not in front........ this decision was made after the race conclusion........funny that If it had been the other way round would you still have the same question? yes i have no issue with how this manoeuvre was performed. neither did anyone else until after the race. is this really how we want races decided, on small inconsequential indiscretions that have no real immediate impact? i suspect many have no real appreciation how hard it is to race these things, be in control, and aware of all that is going on around them. |
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Post by Admin on Feb 11, 2014 10:00:50 GMT 12
If it had been the other way round would you still have the same question? yes i have no issue with how this manoeuvre was performed. neither did anyone else until after the race. is this really how we want races decided, on small inconsequential indiscretions that have no real immediate impact? i suspect many have no real appreciation how hard it is to race these things, be in control, and aware of all that is going on around them. You weren't the Ref , plus it was a relegation not an exclusion so obviously it was dealt with after the race. The rules are the rules so no matter how hard it is to race 'these things' the onus is on the drivers to comply or face penalities as in any sport. Most of which are hard to play and keep in mind what rules to follow. |
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Post by tony27 on Feb 11, 2014 10:01:32 GMT 12
If it had of been Friday night he wouldn't have made the turn 1 before being removed, they changed that at the teams request overnight
I was in the stands where it happened & thought silly boy but fully expected no punishment. If that was a small indiscretion that had no immediate impact then what was Scott Joblin's lap 1 turn 1 considered?
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