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Post by BarryB on Feb 12, 2014 21:16:13 GMT 12
Where do some of these stories come from? And this one has been perpetuated by a number of people on macgor's over the last few days, so I'm assuming this is one story that did the rounds in the pits at Palmy over the weekend?
Do I believe what I've read on here? Or do I believe the head referee? I'll go with the second one, especially after a long chat with said referee about the weekend just past; So we can now confirm that the story about the red in-car camera light being on resulted in Miers being pulled off the track against HB on Friday night is nothing more than a figment of somebody's imagination, since portrayed on here as fact. One person has even stated that Scott told him this - maybe he was having a little joke to see how long it would take to do the rounds?
I've managed to get explanations for some of the other incidents too, so might try and find time to go back through a few of them and explain them in this thread. Or if you have a question about s specific one, ask, and I'll see if I can explain it as it's been explained to me.
In saying that, there's one Rod and I still don't agree on, but that's okay too. Seeing something from a different angle will do that sometimes - you can both believe you're right, and from the angle you viewed it on you can be. Extra spotters are obviously helpful, but too many spotters would be more of a hindrance than a help due to differences of opinion.
Barry B
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Post by Admin on Feb 12, 2014 21:36:28 GMT 12
I did correct that notion about the red light in one of the posts I made but couldn't find the original post
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Post by Admin on Feb 12, 2014 22:00:10 GMT 12
Actually the only one that posted that the red light was the cause of Miers being removed was h8flagracers . the other posts were a reaction to that post.
Feb 8, 2014 8:22:26 GMT 13 h8flagracers said:
I understand what your saying but.... Rules are rules. Everyone was told at drivers meeting about how hard they. We're guna be on pole line cutting. At the end of the day it's cheating. And Scott miers was pulled off for having a red light from his in car camera which was another thin everyone was told at drivers meeting.. So they can only blame themselves...
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Post by BarryB on Feb 13, 2014 5:14:46 GMT 12
Sorry, I must have missed your correction of that point macgor. Here's another one. Spoke with Miers and KP directly last night about their sending off: Miers was sent off for his red light on his GoPro - was directly warned and told by the ref's in his prior race to deal with his red light on his camera and they would pull him off if he didn't - he didn't and got pulled. KP was pulled off due an attack from the grass. Another good point made relates (and always does) to what people refer to as the "inconsistency" of the refereeing, but like any sport where you have thousands of sets of eyes on anything, including replays, some in slow motion and all from different angles, what people see and call as inconsistent is often because they've seen something either the referee hasn't, OR from a different angle it looks different. In that teams racing is no different to rugby or any other sport. The ref does not see everything, and can only rule on what he does see. On Night 2 the referee called things slightly different and the drivers drove better, a good result for all. There were still 7 infringements written out on Night 2 (13 in total on Night 1), but the meeting flowed a lot better due to all parties understanding each other a little better I think. Barry B |
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Post by Admin on Feb 13, 2014 6:55:17 GMT 12
There in might lie your answer to the question 'Where do some of these stories come from?' or at least in this case.
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Post by tank11 on Feb 13, 2014 7:07:03 GMT 12
There in might lie your answer to the question 'Where do some of these stories come from?' or at least in this case. As in Scotty was "jacking" him around?  ?? |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 13, 2014 7:09:43 GMT 12
There in might lie your answer to the question 'Where do some of these stories come from?' or at least in this case. Which, for major meetings at least, strengthens the case for getting the correct info direct to both those at the track and those watching the live stream (in the case of Teams, which was probably quite a big number over the weekend), and this is something the SNZ referees can NOT be blamed for on this particular weekend. Barry B |
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Post by tank11 on Feb 13, 2014 7:16:15 GMT 12
So why was he then?
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Post by tank11 on Feb 13, 2014 7:16:52 GMT 12
And Joblin?
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Post by pfloyd on Feb 13, 2014 7:30:56 GMT 12
if the referee has constant communcation with those on the track then i dont see why he cant also be able to directly announce over the venue sound system what the penalty is for. that would stop all the speculation. much the same as happens in American football.
"Panthers number 8 excluded for attacking on the grass lap 2 turn 3". all fans are asking for is to hear what he is telling the track officials. how hard is that ?
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Post by bowee51v on Feb 13, 2014 7:32:52 GMT 12
Where do some of these stories come from? And this one has been perpetuated by a number of people on macgor's over the last few days, so I'm assuming this is one story that did the rounds in the pits at Palmy over the weekend? Do I believe what I've read on here? Or do I believe the head referee? I'll go with the second one, especially after a long chat with said referee about the weekend just past; So we can now confirm that the story about the red in-car camera light being on resulted in Miers being pulled off the track against HB on Friday night is nothing more than a figment of somebody's imagination, since portrayed on here as fact. One person has even stated that Scott told him this - maybe he was having a little joke to see how long it would take to do the rounds? I've managed to get explanations for some of the other incidents too, so might try and find time to go back through a few of them and explain them in this thread. Or if you have a question about s specific one, ask, and I'll see if I can explain it as it's been explained to me. In saying that, there's one Rod and I still don't agree on, but that's okay too. Seeing something from a different angle will do that sometimes - you can both believe you're right, and from the angle you viewed it on you can be. Extra spotters are obviously helpful, but too many spotters would be more of a hindrance than a help due to differences of opinion. Barry B Barry brown we interviewed Ross thurston on our show and he said exactly what happened i watched the video over and over it did not show the incident on turn 1 and 2 but he and the other officials saw it people need to go to the meat not the maggot to get information |
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Post by Admin on Feb 13, 2014 7:36:21 GMT 12
There in might lie your answer to the question 'Where do some of these stories come from?' or at least in this case. Which, for major meetings at least, strengthens the case for getting the correct info direct to both those at the track and those watching the live stream (in the case of Teams, which was probably quite a big number over the weekend), and this is something the SNZ referees can NOT be blamed for on this particular weekend. Barry B Exactly and the point I have mentioned both on here and directly with the powers that be. We have established the referees are happy to supply the info but there is a breakdown in the system at some of these meetings. At Palmy we had two big meetings over Xmas where that info flowed well , this meeting had more commentators yet flowed far less info. SNZ have made their people aware of the need to supply the info , I don't believe SNZ officials were the problem at this meeting. |
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Post by Admin on Feb 13, 2014 7:41:33 GMT 12
if the referee has constant communcation with those on the track then i dont see why he cant also be able to directly announce over the venue sound system what the penalty is for. that would stop all the speculation. much the same as happens in American football. "Panthers number 8 excluded for attacking on the grass lap 2 turn 3". all fans are asking for is to hear what he is telling the track officials. how hard is that ? Rod McNaughton told me he would be happy to do exactly that , I didn't think he should have to but I may be wrong. Either way at Palmy I think he may have struggled to get a word in edge ways. |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 13, 2014 8:00:39 GMT 12
if the referee has constant communcation with those on the track then i dont see why he cant also be able to directly announce over the venue sound system what the penalty is for. that would stop all the speculation. much the same as happens in American football. "Panthers number 8 excluded for attacking on the grass lap 2 turn 3". all fans are asking for is to hear what he is telling the track officials. how hard is that ? That may very well be what happens in future, or something like that anyway. Barry B |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 13, 2014 8:04:18 GMT 12
Barry brown we interviewed Ross thurston on our show and he said exactly what happened i watched the video over and over it did not show the incident on turn 1 and 2 but he and the other officials saw it people need to go to the meat not the maggot to get information Which driver/incident are you talking about? I'm not sure who you're referring to as the meat and the maggot, but part of the problem comes about because people did not get fed the relevant information. You can't have 18,500 people storming the referee's box during a meeting....... Barry B |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 13, 2014 8:09:49 GMT 12
There was infield contact down one of the straights about a lap before the red lights (I can't recall who with now, but it was caught on the live stream), which is what I thought it was for originally when I started the "punishment not fitting the crime" thread, until others said is was for the light from his Go Pro. It also turns out 16v was not sent infield for what I'd seen on the stream either, but for a separate incident upon re-entering the track. Barry B |
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Post by bowee51v on Feb 13, 2014 8:15:03 GMT 12
Barry brown we interviewed Ross thurston on our show and he said exactly what happened i watched the video over and over it did not show the incident on turn 1 and 2 but he and the other officials saw it people need to go to the meat not the maggot to get information Which driver/incident are you talking about? I'm not sure who you're referring to as the meat and the maggot, but part of the problem comes about because people did not get fed the relevant information. You can't have 18,500 people storming the referee's box during a meeting....... Barry B the Scott miers he was sent off for a incident between turn 1 and 2 and every incident was sent through to the commentary hut but it was not put out to the public the announcer would not of had a chance to due to the the commentary guys in the middle so who is at fault her and how do they address this you are meant to be a man with all the answers |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 13, 2014 8:34:03 GMT 12
Scott Joblin I'm assuming you mean; that was for attacking Regan O'Brien while the 32b was on the grass. This is the one we don't agree on, but that's okay, as from my view (watching the stream live and since watching other videos, admittedly with the benefit on many, MANY replays which the referee does not have the benefit of) 6p was knocked into 32b by 35b and did not change direction himself to attack 32b. I saw it more as a chain reaction than an intentional attack, but once in a while people do see different things different way, no? Barry B |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 13, 2014 8:48:20 GMT 12
Which driver/incident are you talking about? I'm not sure who you're referring to as the meat and the maggot, but part of the problem comes about because people did not get fed the relevant information. You can't have 18,500 people storming the referee's box during a meeting....... Barry B the Scott miers he was sent off for a incident between turn 1 and 2 and every incident was sent through to the commentary hut but it was not put out to the public the announcer would not of had a chance to due to the the commentary guys in the middle so who is at fault her and how do they address this you are meant to be a man with all the answers Pffffffttt, says who??  Obviously I wasn't even there, but all parties have had discussions about doing it better in future (which is good), but whatever is done some people still won't be happy. Barry B |
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Post by bowee51v on Feb 13, 2014 8:52:44 GMT 12
the Scott miers he was sent off for a incident between turn 1 and 2 and every incident was sent through to the commentary hut but it was not put out to the public the announcer would not of had a chance to due to the the commentary guys in the middle so who is at fault her and how do they address this you are meant to be a man with all the answers Pffffffttt, says who?? Obviously I wasn't even there, but all parties have had discussions about doing it better in future (which is good), but whatever is done some people still won't be happy. Barry B lets hope it dose and you are right mate there will always be people out there that will moan bring on Auckland teams i say go forward not backwards |
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