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Post by mcfly on Mar 10, 2014 21:00:21 GMT 12
Even with the gear they had, they could of pushed it towards the wall with a few people yeah that sounds really safe  around about 1500kg remember. But they will be all set next year because all you "should of's and could of's" will go and show them how to do it aye?? TUI If it's not safe to have the front of the car land slowly on the fence during a recovery, then why the hell do we rely on that same fence to stop a car racing at full speed? Wait until you are watching your car "recovered" the way this one was, and then see if think the same way you do now. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 21:08:17 GMT 12
yeah that sounds really safe around about 1500kg remember. But they will be all set next year because all you "should of's and could of's" will go and show them how to do it aye?? TUI If it's not safe to have the front of the car land slowly on the fence during a recovery, then why the hell do we rely on that same fence to stop a car racing at full speed? Wait until you are watching your car "recovered" the way this one was, and then see if think the same way you do now. Geez not often I agree with the Boy, but 2x in 10 mins here. I think he was more refering to having the "few people" pushing the car forwards while its basicly balancing on it's back bumper. |
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Post by srr on Mar 10, 2014 21:11:12 GMT 12
not the best way to do it but us should ofs and could ofs that pay for it don't know what we are talking about. bb how much you putting in the hat for the whip round. show us how to do it son!!!
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Post by lundyfan on Mar 10, 2014 21:34:49 GMT 12
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Post by tank11 on Mar 10, 2014 21:48:23 GMT 12
But wasn't the way they did ok?. Seems to me most of the landing impact was on the siderails, not as though it was expensive suspension bits taking the load. If my car, I would like it lowered using one of the other tow trucks as an anchor along the wall behind it. Just let out about 15-20 metres of cable, lock it and reverse as the other pulls it over. |
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Post by MadPhil53a on Mar 11, 2014 6:36:09 GMT 12
Would you like them to bring out a couple of mattresses as well? It will never matter what happens on and off the track there will always be people who know better. The fact it even landing on its side like that is still less than the force of the impacts the cars were getting during the race. Bryce took a big hit in the side of the 8a from a Palmy car and it twisted the side rail and has bent all the out riggers. The force of this car being pushed over was minimal in comparison.
Maybe there was a better way, it was the choice made then and there get over it.
I'm more surprised that people aren't moaning about the inconsistencies in the ref's decisions.
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Post by beachboy on Mar 11, 2014 19:53:13 GMT 12
yeah that sounds really safe around about 1500kg remember. But they will be all set next year because all you "should of's and could of's" will go and show them how to do it aye?? TUI If it's not safe to have the front of the car land slowly on the fence during a recovery, then why the hell do we rely on that same fence to stop a car racing at full speed? Wait until you are watching your car "recovered" the way this one was, and then see if think the same way you do now. People are not standing on the track beside the cars when they are racing at full speed  like you were referring by having people push it over!. After watching the video what damage did it cause? Hit's in teams racing are going to do a bit more damage than scratch the paint. Maybe the wall might not have been upto it had it gone the other way  |
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Post by srr on Mar 11, 2014 20:55:05 GMT 12
all our gas adjustable shocks will squeeze out pressure with a drop like this. doesn't really matter the thread started with a bucket tractor and gribbs is dead right! even the driver was not happy!. all welcome to come and pay for these cars and fix them within 20 mins its not as easy as hitting these boards!any takers? come on bb come spend some money and work on cars with us with out watching any races paying 30 bucks. and getting no beer? this is your speedway! you told us to harden up! we will see you every week now. (and yes we do work on them everyday when not racing may be a shock to the keyboarders) no disrespect to the crash crews who do an outstanding job maybe they need more gear to ease their job too!!!! live it love it speedway.
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Post by beachboy on Mar 12, 2014 14:53:00 GMT 12
Ha-ha, don’t think that would work, I would want to cut out all the chrome and hotrod stuff so you wouldn’t be so worried about scratching it when getting tipped over, It is teams racing! damage is going to happen! Cars will get rolled over deliberately! It’s certainly not a sport to be in if you don’t like missing the other races while spending time having to do repairs on your car or working on them during the week.
SSR maybe you could go to the next teams meeting in Aucks with a tractor and show the recovery teams how you want the cars put back on to their wheels without getting the pressure squeezed out of the gas adjustable shocks YOU choose to put on your car. Also I go to watch the racing not to drink beer but that's a whole other story we could talk about at the pub.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 15:26:05 GMT 12
We are all talking about unnecessary damage that's incurred Beachboy .. Its all very well to tell people to go try yourself and see if you can do better . But aren't the people appointed to do these jobs supposed to be doing things right in the first place .
There are far more people that were stunned by the handling of this particular car [ including the driver ] than the few who are getting all defensive ... If I was the car owner I would have been peed off too.
These guys put $1000,s of dollars of machinery out on the track ,and yes they are prepared to wreck them but some people need to have a big think first before doing such stupid acts.
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Post by tank11 on Mar 12, 2014 17:16:53 GMT 12
We are all talking about unnecessary damage that's incurred Beachboy .. Its all very well to tell people to go try yourself and see if you can do better . But aren't the people appointed to do these jobs supposed to be doing things right in the first place . There are far more people that were stunned by the handling of this particular car [ including the driver ] than the few who are getting all defensive ... If I was the car owner I would have been peed off too. These guys put $1000,s of dollars of machinery out on the track ,and yes they are prepared to wreck them but some people need to have a big think first before doing such stupid acts. Highrevs, look for a brick wall and start banging your head against it, because talking to some of these keyboarders is more painful.............  By beachboys standards a bulldozer out there to push the cars in a heap is acceptable. |
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Post by vf8 on Mar 12, 2014 19:04:24 GMT 12
Seen heaps of occasions where cars have been eased over by a team of people in a safe manor. Especially on occations where an injured driver is still inside. Granted they haven't been perched on their backs like that but still dealing with the same weights. Like some one said, the best solution is to provide the infield crew with gear to lift a car down safely. Good opportunity here for someone with a telehandler or hiab etc to sponsor the use of it even just on the teams meeting.
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Post by beachboy on Mar 12, 2014 19:59:10 GMT 12
We are all talking about unnecessary damage that's incurred Beachboy .. Its all very well to tell people to go try yourself and see if you can do better . But aren't the people appointed to do these jobs supposed to be doing things right in the first place . There are far more people that were stunned by the handling of this particular car [ including the driver ] than the few who are getting all defensive ... If I was the car owner I would have been peed off too. These guys put $1000,s of dollars of machinery out on the track ,and yes they are prepared to wreck them but some people need to have a big think first before doing such stupid acts. So what was this unnecessary damage that was done to Kerry's car that you are talking about Highrevs please tell all, was there any? Siderail paint maybe? The recovery people would mostly be volunteers and I bet they feel really good when someone comes on here and say they perform "stupid acts". As MadPhil53a said "Would you like them to bring out a couple of mattresses as well? It will never matter what happens on and off the track there will always be people who know better" |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 20:27:27 GMT 12
Most tracks I have been to seem to respect peoples racecars and take extra care when putting them the right way up ..
Yes and I do stick to my opinion that it was a stupid act. A bit more care could of been taken to lower Kerrys car back onto the ground ...
To be honest its possibly the first time I have ever seen it done in that fashion .
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Post by srr on Mar 12, 2014 23:01:50 GMT 12
it wasn't a (stupid act!) but as no one reads the start of the thread. a tractor or something like that to help the crash crews in this job would be good. and I would not have to waste my time replying to bb, who is welcome to come to the pub anytime. got to go have to put engine together for sat just found out blown head gasket.i wish I could just sit in the stands and moan. bliss
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Post by beachboy on Mar 15, 2014 8:44:12 GMT 12
I wouldn't think it's the people that sit in the stands or the recovery team that caused you a blown head gasket!. Sounds like you really don't enjoy the sport srr. It was the very start of this thread that started with the moan. Still waiting for that damage report highrevs  and which meetings have you seen other cars at that have been recovered from a vertical position standing on there back bumper that have been righted with less damage(if there was any)caused than Kerry's?? |
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Post by mcfly on Mar 15, 2014 9:19:16 GMT 12
I wouldn't think it's the people that sit in the stands or the recovery team that caused you a blown head gasket!. Sounds like you really don't enjoy the sport srr. It was the very start of this thread that started with the moan. Still waiting for that damage report highrevs and which meetings have you seen other cars at that have been recovered from a vertical position standing on there front bumper that have been righted with less damage(if there was any)caused than Kerry's?? Which recovery are you referring to Beachboy? I can't say that I have ever seen, or believe it would be possible, for a car to stand on its front bumper, LOL!  Got a link to any video of this? |
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Post by beachboy on Mar 15, 2014 9:31:47 GMT 12
I wouldn't think it's the people that sit in the stands or the recovery team that caused you a blown head gasket!. Sounds like you really don't enjoy the sport srr. It was the very start of this thread that started with the moan. Still waiting for that damage report highrevs and which meetings have you seen other cars at that have been recovered from a vertical position standing on there back bumper that have been righted with less damage(if there was any)caused than Kerry's?? Which recovery are you referring to Beachboy? I can't say that I have ever seen, or believe it would be possible, for a car to stand on its front bumper, LOL! Got a link to any video of this?  back bumper where did you get front from, must be the weather. |
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Post by mcfly on Mar 15, 2014 9:35:33 GMT 12
We are all talking about unnecessary damage that's incurred Beachboy .. Its all very well to tell people to go try yourself and see if you can do better . But aren't the people appointed to do these jobs supposed to be doing things right in the first place . There are far more people that were stunned by the handling of this particular car [ including the driver ] than the few who are getting all defensive ... If I was the car owner I would have been peed off too. These guys put $1000,s of dollars of machinery out on the track ,and yes they are prepared to wreck them but some people need to have a big think first before doing such stupid acts. So what was this unnecessary damage that was done to Kerry's car that you are talking about Highrevs please tell all, was there any? Siderail paint maybe? The recovery people would mostly be volunteers and I bet they feel really good when someone comes on here and say they perform "stupid acts". As MadPhil53a said "Would you like them to bring out a couple of mattresses as well? It will never matter what happens on and off the track there will always be people who know better" Are you trying to say that a car is not damaged unless the side rails, bumpers etc are bent or broken beachboy? yes these are contact cars, and yes the owners/drivers enter them in teams races knowing that their opposition could cause major damage, and that is expected. What is not expected is for damage to be potentially made worse by non competitors not treating several thousands of dollars worth of pride and joy with any respect. Just because this car appeared to have little or no damage externally does not mean that the action of dropping it on its side like that did not create further internal damage that had started as a result of the hit. Repairable cracks for instance could have turned into brakages, brakages can cause further damage. Those internal components cost a hell of a lot more to fix than rails and bumpers and treating a disable car with as much respect as possible can help to avoid these costs. Seeing the picture now? |
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Post by mcfly on Mar 15, 2014 9:38:17 GMT 12
Which recovery are you referring to Beachboy? I can't say that I have ever seen, or believe it would be possible, for a car to stand on its front bumper, LOL! Got a link to any video of this? back bumper where did you get front from, must be the weather. Unfortunately for you, changing your post to read from "front bumper" to Back bumper in you original post does not appear to have changed it in the quote from you in my post  |
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around about 1500kg remember. But they will be all set next year because all you "should of's and could of's" will go and show them how to do it aye?? TUI
like you were referring by having people push it over!. 
and which meetings have you seen other cars at that have been recovered from a vertical position standing on there back bumper that have been righted with less damage(if there was any)caused than Kerry's??
back bumper where did you get front from, must be the weather.
