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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Jul 14, 2014 8:44:15 GMT 12
Stockcars at Baypark can be awesome, I've been to a number of their Gold Cup meetings over the years when they get 30+ cars and its great.
Stockcars season end 2011 ...
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Post by teamkaos on Jul 14, 2014 8:51:01 GMT 12
Pushing the pole line out I think would add another dimension to Baypark. Make it the longest speedway track in the country, Bring the wall into play for the contact classes and bring back the closer 'Wheel to Wheel' racing for the other classes.
Plus it will be more cost and time efficient when it comes to track prep.
Run More Open Wheel events to exploit the Length of the track! Take a look at the Huntly and Springs Calendars and work around them, dont go Head to Head! It's just down the road from the majority of the teams bases so they would more than likely show up.
Cant the racing start a bit earlier?, get a couple of ministock races in between the other classes Warm ups so the paying public gets more of what they come to see between the 7pm and 10pm prime time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 9:46:22 GMT 12
Beachboy , Unless you have owned a racecar and been registered to Baypark , you have no idea what you are talking about . Actually it goes for everything else you seem to have a weath of knowledge about .
I raced there for three years , there is not a facility in NZ that compares with Bay Park.
Best times I ever had.
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Post by 2muchbs on Jul 14, 2014 12:36:13 GMT 12
you cant call that racing Charlie?? hahahahaha
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 16:36:39 GMT 12
Sure beats anywhere else , nice concrete pits ,water and power close by ,nice bar and restaurant , and one of the most friendly bunch of people you could come across .. You cant ask for much more than that.
No matter what class or how flash their race setup was , everyone was friendly to each other .
Something you don't see at a lot of other tracks .
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Post by japsuper on Jul 14, 2014 17:47:33 GMT 12
Certainly a great facility, one that any city would love to have. Reduced car numbers is not a Baypark problem only. Numbers overall at many tracks are well down. Waikaraka had large numbers of saloons 4 - 5 years ago and now struggles to get into double figures sometimes. Reasons that perhaps we should ponder going forward:
1) Classes too close in likeness and expense e.g Super Saloons/ Saloons. Saloons are no longer any form of budget class. Too many cars in sheds as budget drivers cant compete.
2) Series like BK ProDirt and DHL, taking focus and budgets away from the local grassroots racing.
3) Large drop in prizemoney paid, but costs of running haven't dropped.
4) Too many meetings and not cooperation between neighbouring tracks.
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Post by tanker on Jul 14, 2014 18:12:49 GMT 12
If SNZ were allowed to control the sport like other motor sport organisations do they could implement a rule that all tracks can only run alternate Saturdays then all tracks would have more competitors and better shows which would bring in more spectators, there for more money. Very simple equation.
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Post by blackbullet on Jul 14, 2014 18:45:08 GMT 12
So you haven't really thought about that have you!, over the Christmas-new year period you can only hold one race meeting
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Post by tanker on Jul 14, 2014 20:40:40 GMT 12
Yes I Have ,There would be no issue with tracks running any other day especially holiday periods as you wouldn't get many double ups on those days . Also tracks running open wheelers wouldn't need to comply the same unless more became open wheel only tracks .Possibly the south Island could be exempt as the tracks are generally more than 2 hrs apart. The problem in the north Island is the tracks are close together .
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Jul 14, 2014 22:04:13 GMT 12
Pushing the pole line out I think would add another dimension to Baypark. Make it the longest speedway track in the country, Bring the wall into play for the contact classes and bring back the closer 'Wheel to Wheel' racing for the other classes.
Plus it will be more cost and time efficient when it comes to track prep.
Run More Open Wheel events to exploit the Length of the track! Take a look at the Huntly and Springs Calendars and work around them, dont go Head to Head! It's just down the road from the majority of the teams bases so they would more than likely show up.
Cant the racing start a bit earlier?, get a couple of ministock races in between the other classes Warm ups so the paying public gets more of what they come to see between the 7pm and 10pm prime time. The racing does start earlier at Baypark, generally 6.30pm.
The 10pm finish isn't really an issue and has more pluses than minus. Good for families.
Previous promotions have trended to BS a lot in regard the finish time.
Unless the consent has changed, any night can be 10:10pm provided the last race has started prior to 9:50pm.
A championship race can finish as late as 10:20pm.
For the most part any issue with a meeting not completed has been due to a failure on the part of the meeting management to 'actually manage it'.
I'd be implementing a fixed window for a race with an advertised number of laps, which ever comes first, race end.
Too often following classes and spectators have been penalised by the constant stoppages (yellows) of an earlier class.
A little more urgency to get races underway would help.
I've yet to see any adverts for seeking expressions of interest?
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Post by TrevG on Jul 14, 2014 23:13:02 GMT 12
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Expressions of interest close on the 27th July on the Bay Venues website. .http://www.tcal.co.nz/
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Jul 14, 2014 23:24:33 GMT 12
[ I've yet to see any adverts for seeking expressions of interest? Expressions of interest close on the 27th July on the Bay Venues website. .http://www.tcal.co.nz/
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Okay, so we've a couple of weeks to secure all relevant business case data off Baypark and put a package proposal together. Hmmm? 
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 0:36:06 GMT 12
Yes I Have ,There would be no issue with tracks running any other day especially holiday periods as you wouldn't get many double ups on those days . Also tracks running open wheelers wouldn't need to comply the same unless more became open wheel only tracks .Possibly the south Island could be exempt as the tracks are generally more than 2 hrs apart. The problem in the north Island is the tracks are close together . Like the man said, "You havn't really thought this one through have you" on another point tho... How cool, I never knew David Cunliffe was a member of these boards, welcome to our little group. |
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Post by beachboy on Jul 15, 2014 20:27:28 GMT 12
Sure beats anywhere else , nice concrete pits ,water and power close by ,nice bar and restaurant , and one of the most friendly bunch of people you could come across .. You cant ask for much more than that. No matter what class or how flash their race setup was , everyone was friendly to each other . Something you don't see at a lot of other tracks . so if its that good, why do you think BP is getting less competitors less spectators and more vacant corporate boxes? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 16:37:07 GMT 12
I think that for a place the size of Tauranga , the following of speedway is very poor , Very much like Auckland .
Rotorua seems to beat them in those stakes and its a lot smaller place .
Everything you have quoted me on saying is 100% correct Beachboy , but I will admit that things were heading downhill when I was about to leave there .
What the problem is or how to fix it is something I could not tell you , but I know one thing .
You can only flog a dead horse for so long ....
Expecting a new promoter to come in and set the place on fire is one hell of a big ask, would be very similar to taking over broken down business.
Best of luck to BP anyway.
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Jul 16, 2014 20:14:23 GMT 12
Think they should just take a deep breath, take the pressure off, appoint a promotion person/team for ONE season and use the time to have meaningful discussions with the club, competitors, surveys of the spectators and general public ... then launch into the following season from a more researched platform for the future.
This has never happened. Always used the rush, no time argument.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 20:27:53 GMT 12
Agree Murray ,
seems to be the same old / same old . Needs someone in there to take a look at what will lift place up , and see what is required to draw the competitors and crowds . Someone that is prepared to work in with the likes of the Rotorua Club next door .
Not try to go into competition against them.
Wk never ever did and I heard that the last promotor thought it was a hell of a joke that he had lured a few Superstocks away from Rotorua . Theres no way that clubs can work together with that sort of attitude.
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Jul 16, 2014 22:23:10 GMT 12
Yip Mike 44, monitoring, always searching for improvement, should be a constant element of any operation wanting to ensure it is meeting the expectations of it's customers, moving with the times, and in the real world, this is exactly what happens.
Check in to a hotel and after you've checked out the freebies in the bathroom, the fridge, you go for the stationary and pens - it's here that you find a 'guest feedback form' that you can leave in your room or at reception.
When was the last time and at what track you, as a competitor or spectator were given the opportunity to provide feedback?
Or were you just told, "if you don't like it, bugger off, there's the gate!"
How was your experience, what rated high, not so high, suggestions ....?
What is it with speedway, often with the most successful business folk in the real world or think they are, that refuses to apply basic 'good business' skills, at club level and at SNZ Board level? Too many egos using our sport as their personal plaything at OUR cost!?
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Post by hath on Jul 17, 2014 6:30:07 GMT 12
New job for you Murray?
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Post by BarryB on Jul 17, 2014 6:59:42 GMT 12
Think they should just take a deep breath, take the pressure off, appoint a promotion person/team for ONE season and use the time to have meaningful discussions with the club, competitors, surveys of the spectators and general public ... then launch into the following season from a more researched platform for the future.
This has never happened. Always used the rush, no time argument. Not the most stupid idea I've ever read on here.......but where do you find a person/team prepared to give up what they have now take on something from now until the end of April '15 (9 months) before being tossed back on the scrapheap? Let's do it on the terracotta, Barry B |
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