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Post by midway on Oct 22, 2014 21:54:49 GMT 12
In the case of injury to yourself or family and friends ,who appears on the scene Dr Dolittle ,or St Johns to take care of any injuries that in most cases,are life threatening or need hospital attention .A volunteer organisation that run appeals for donations ,memberships and has assistance from Acc levies .
Those who begrudge them a donation ,are nothing .,simple ,because when in need ,they dont ask questions only to the patient who needs medical attention ,the cause ,in alot of cases is self inflicted .
So if you have a little bit of pain in your pocket ,try and use your brain if youve got one of cause .
MIDWAY ROCKS
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Post by Pirate Racing NZ on Oct 22, 2014 22:25:22 GMT 12
As part of coastguard rescue, we have an advanced first aid as the ambo does not float. We fundraise all the money we need, we can charge fees to the "customer" but we can't I force payment.
If its a 111 call, either mnz or the police pay costs, depending on distance from shore. We have a 1M dollar boat with as much first aid and rescue equipment we can get.
As the guy actually doing CPR,stitches, oxygen, I don't get paid a cent, ever. I get the loss of wages if during the working day. We train three times a week plus callouts. On call 24/7, do we charge a fee for every boat going out? No. Do we charge an annual fee? No do we charge a national or local fee? No.
We will accept member ship of $50 annually which give one free rescue a year. If you don't have membership but you need us, we go.
If we send you a bill for fuel etc ( no crew compensation ever) can we enforce payment? No. I have nearly finished my car, no sponsor, very little help.
I have paid my membership. I will pay my licence when car is running. I will pay the fee to enter the pit after driving two hours to the track.
My point is, if I volunteer 24/7 for free to save lives, as most firemen do, why can't st johns do it for a couple of hours a week for the short season?
Can't we do something for them in return? Of the point of the topic I know, I agree, charge it if you need to but be up front. The focus should be on getting more spectators regularly.
Then we would have less money worries at the tracks.
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Post by roadrunner on Oct 22, 2014 23:05:23 GMT 12
My partner races out of Stratford and from what I understand is for the last two years driver and one pitcrew have been getting in for free but we lost our appearance monies of which a donation out of it was made to St Johns, so now the the club is asking us to pay 2 bucks at gate and I dont think there is any hidden agenda to it
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Post by bandit on Oct 23, 2014 0:13:01 GMT 12
Seriously the $2 doesn't even cover the ambo, just to towards it's cost and the ambo is there for the competitors not the spectators so I am all for it and as I mentioned Eastern States charge $10 per meeting. Clubs could add another $20-30 per season for membership to avoid the charge per meeting deal?? Happy racing all:) So as a spectator at Eastern States Speedway if i get hurt in the crowd St Johns will not help me? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 4:28:40 GMT 12
oh I want to say so much about this, but I wont. well said Wade You did say, or is that abuse ....  you just proved a point to me now murray. that was sent as a message to you so as not to air my feelings in public for all to see yet you choose to bring it into public view.This is why you would not have seen it Macgor. |
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Post by BarryB on Oct 23, 2014 5:16:29 GMT 12
Absolutely No difference Barry, but surely not the question.
I disagree Murray, as is my right, as IMHO there is a difference. We'll have to agree to disagree this time. It's a good conversation piece however. Barry B |
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Post by bikeboy on Oct 23, 2014 5:44:27 GMT 12
Seriously the $2 doesn't even cover the ambo, just to towards it's cost and the ambo is there for the competitors not the spectators so I am all for it and as I mentioned Eastern States charge $10 per meeting. Clubs could add another $20-30 per season for membership to avoid the charge per meeting deal?? Happy racing all:) So as a spectator at Eastern States Speedway if i get hurt in the crowd St Johns will not help me? yes they would, the club has to have them their, for the drivers and the crowd, |
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Post by brettgrace on Oct 23, 2014 8:00:54 GMT 12
It's been my experience that generally, if you can afford to race anything you can afford two bucks. I know that this isn't a thread about "how much" though so on the topic at hand...
Frankly I'm amazed that there isn't a charge on the gate at every meeting at every track. Every other country has them and they help pay for the ambo yes, but it also goes toward fire extinguishers, gas for the safety vehicles, diesel for the grader, water for the track, PPE such as hi viz for infield personnel, painting the wall, maintaining the seating and clubrooms, maintenance on vehicles and equipment, grooming the pit area, insurance costs and just maybe, once a season a BBQ to thank all of the volunteers who join the dots and make this sport as great as it is. All the things that make your time as a competitor more comfortable. If you think racing is expensive try running a racetrack.
So what if: SNZ made licensing free, but charged a $20 dollar gate fee for every car at every meeting through the season and split it 50/50 with the track? They'd make more money for a start, but they'd also help subsidise the cost for the track of a lot of things that they mandate anyway. Remember, you don't have to have an ambo to go racing, but if you need one its a relief to know they're not an hour away. You don't need a wall or fence either but again, its reassuring to know that it won't fall down on contact or slice you and your car to ribbons. I guess you don't need to pay them two bucks, but you DO need a track upon which to race...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2014 9:22:38 GMT 12
It's been my experience that generally, if you can afford to race anything you can afford two bucks. I know that this isn't a thread about "how much" though so on the topic at hand... Frankly I'm amazed that there isn't a charge on the gate at every meeting at every track. Every other country has them and they help pay for the ambo yes, but it also goes toward fire extinguishers, gas for the safety vehicles, diesel for the grader, water for the track, PPE such as hi viz for infield personnel, painting the wall, maintaining the seating and clubrooms, maintenance on vehicles and equipment, grooming the pit area, insurance costs and just maybe, once a season a BBQ to thank all of the volunteers who join the dots and make this sport as great as it is. All the things that make your time as a competitor more comfortable. If you think racing is expensive try running a racetrack.
So what if: SNZ made licensing free, but charged a $20 dollar gate fee for every car at every meeting through the season and split it 50/50 with the track? They'd make more money for a start, but they'd also help subsidise the cost for the track of a lot of things that they mandate anyway. Remember, you don't have to have an ambo to go racing, but if you need one its a relief to know they're not an hour away. You don't need a wall or fence either but again, its reassuring to know that it won't fall down on contact or slice you and your car to ribbons. I guess you don't need to pay them two bucks, but you DO need a track upon which to race... it is great to see someone word it correctly and give a simple and quick overview of what costs there is to run a venue. wish more people could understand this and take the time to look into costs to operate at their local track, especially when it so hard to get sponsorship nowdays . it would be intresting to see what some people think the costs per meeting or season are for things that are listed. WELL SAID BRETT GRACE |
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Post by tank11 on Oct 23, 2014 18:48:42 GMT 12
Quite easy to find out Gribby, just turn up at the club agm.
Should be printed in the hand outs.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 4:21:06 GMT 12
Quite easy to find out Gribby, just turn up at the club agm. Should be printed in the hand outs. yeah I know what it costs as im on our committee, but not sure many others realise how much it costs, and also how much it costs ,( or lose) when there is a rainout . |
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Post by tank11 on Oct 24, 2014 7:12:14 GMT 12
I understand Murray's view and can (I don't say "do") agree with his original post.
Yes, St Johns need to be paid, along with any and all others.
Just have an entry fee for each car.
Most clubs would appreciate the extra funds, I'm sure.
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Post by Winstanley Multimedia on Oct 24, 2014 9:49:53 GMT 12
easy charge the crowd $0.50-$1 more for entry
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Post by bikeboy on Oct 24, 2014 11:25:33 GMT 12
easy charge the crowd $0.50-$1 more for entry thats not that easy either, most clubs would have a round figure for entry($15 or $20 normally) , to make it so you do not need so much change at every gate, |
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Post by tank11 on Oct 24, 2014 17:17:07 GMT 12
easy charge the crowd $0.50-$1 more for entry thats not that easy either, most clubs would have a round figure for entry($15 or $20 normally) , to make it so you do not need so much change at every gate, But they need change at the gate/office if you as a driver only have a $50 note? There's an idea Murray, carry a $100 note and see if you get change. |
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