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Post by epmurc on Dec 15, 2014 8:50:08 GMT 12
Although this particular incident relates to a Ministock, I think the issue is relevant across many classes.
Arm restraints aren't compulsory in Ministocks but follow this link to Sue McDonalds website and see if you think this rule should be changed.
www.pbase.com/suemack/image/158521255
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Post by Devilracer on Dec 15, 2014 8:55:04 GMT 12
Im surprised that they havent been made compulsory already. Some of these kids may not have had the training on what to do with your arms/hands during a crash like that. Maybe SNZ need to look at safety rules like this rather than stuffing around with Superstock rules.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 9:02:02 GMT 12
[ Stuffing around with Superstock rules ] lmao .. Guess SNZ are acting on what is top priority at this stage , given time they will work their way through everything...
Of course the ministocks should be top of their list of priorities with the heavy contact and high speeds they reach , NOT lol
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Post by epmurc on Dec 15, 2014 9:40:29 GMT 12
Given that Ministocks outnumber Superstocks 2 to 1, if not 3 to 1, then I would think attending to a rule which benefits the most competitors would be a priority.
Not to mention the fact that these are kids in these cars (the one in the photo is only 12), they don't have the physical development to withstand an impact that an adult would.
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Post by gullz on Dec 15, 2014 11:03:25 GMT 12
I am sure this incident would not have happened if there had been a good solid wall not a grass bank that sent the race car flying. but I do agree arm restraints should be used also correctly fitted nets. I see so many that not fitted the correct way.
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Dec 15, 2014 11:57:32 GMT 12
I'm blind!
What and where is the issue?
Reminds me of an observation recently of the ministocks on the grid, waiting for the green light - many had their neck braces incorrectly fitted (back to front)!
Seems to me more attention to education and enforcement of existing rules might be a priority.
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Post by tank11 on Dec 15, 2014 15:51:01 GMT 12
I'm blind!
What and where is the issue?
Reminds me of an observation recently of the ministocks on the grid, waiting for the green light - many had their neck braces incorrectly fitted (back to front)!
Seems to me more attention to education and enforcement of existing rules might be a priority.
I'm with you on this Murray. Although it may be that his/her hand is in the roof? We always ran a net, but that is on one side. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 15:57:28 GMT 12
I'm blind!
What and where is the issue?
Reminds me of an observation recently of the ministocks on the grid, waiting for the green light - many had their neck braces incorrectly fitted (back to front)!
Seems to me more attention to education and enforcement of existing rules might be a priority.
I'm with you on this Murray. Although it may be that his/her hand is in the roof? We always ran a net, but that is on one side. After a brief look... Her hand is not just in the roof its totally OUTSIDE THE CAGE!!!! we have nets to protect the head and yes thats a priority but the hands are just important! No good having a mouth if you cant even hold the spoon to feed yourself. |
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Post by youngone on Dec 15, 2014 16:09:20 GMT 12
Im surprised that they havent been made compulsory already. Some of these kids may not have had the training on what to do with your arms/hands during a crash like that. Maybe SNZ need to look at safety rules like this rather than stuffing around with Superstock rules. No such thing as a silly question....... So what should a driver do with their hands in a situation like this? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 16:16:12 GMT 12
Im surprised that they havent been made compulsory already. Some of these kids may not have had the training on what to do with your arms/hands during a crash like that. Maybe SNZ need to look at safety rules like this rather than stuffing around with Superstock rules. No such thing as a silly question....... So what should a driver do with their hands in a situation like this? hold onto the steering wheel. and never let go until the car has stopped moving.... Thats all I was taught anyway! |
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Post by Admin on Dec 15, 2014 16:30:40 GMT 12
It does appear that the driver's arms are outside of the cage.  screen shots |
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Post by bikeboy on Dec 15, 2014 19:33:08 GMT 12
No such thing as a silly question....... So what should a driver do with their hands in a situation like this? hold onto the steering wheel. and never let go until the car has stopped moving.... Thats all I was taught anyway! or your belts as you see alot of the nascar drivers do now, as the wheel getting wrenched out of your hands as the front wheels hit the ground again can be nasty as well, |
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Post by Zach11m on Dec 15, 2014 19:45:36 GMT 12
I used them in 1/4 Midgets and that was going back a little bit, best thing I ever used!
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Post by Browny89a on Dec 15, 2014 20:13:14 GMT 12
I am sure this incident would not have happened if there had been a good solid wall not a grass bank that sent the race car flying. but I do agree arm restraints should be used also correctly fitted nets. I see so many that not fitted the correct way. The race bank did not actually send the car flying, the car went on two wheels around the corner causing it to roll and end up in the bank. In my opinion arm restraints need to be brought in to all classes for the obvious reason of safety. Some people will no doubt say that its "just a waste of money" or "I wont have a bad crash like that" etc - but at the end of the day something as simple as arm restraints could save the driver from serious injury! Luckily Tyler was not injured in this crash, bearing in mind he has only done a few meetings in a ministock being 12 years old so over time he will hopefully learn some safety techniques, such as holding onto the steering wheel which has been the most beneficial technique in my racing career! Just my 2 cents worth anyway! |
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Dec 15, 2014 20:38:36 GMT 12
Makes for a good discussion, thankfully with the driver walking away.
With the photos blown up and a closer look it appears to me that the arms have been contained inside the roll cage.
It also appears to have a window net of a type that requires arm restraints - begs the question, was he wearing restraints as it seems he may have been?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2014 20:49:05 GMT 12
I hate to say it Grandad, but....
That bar at his wrist is the top of the roll cage - the fibreglass body has come loose, that hand is NOT inside the cage. [/p] and thats almost not inside the cage - he was bloody lucky murray, that thing couldve crush that hand.
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Post by Go Slideways on Dec 15, 2014 20:51:02 GMT 12
A pic I took at Winged Thunder 4, always wondered about these restraints and why more don't use them..  windows screen capture |
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Post by beachboy on Dec 15, 2014 21:02:57 GMT 12
Most drivers would also look at arm restraints limiting there ability of getting out of the car quickly in a fire.
Does any body know if you are able to give a clear thumbs down signal with arm restraints?
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Post by petrolfumes on Dec 15, 2014 21:16:10 GMT 12
I believe there is an image out there of lance jennings holding his top rollcage as it rolls at Napier :Lucky he didnt end with crushed hands
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Post by midway on Dec 15, 2014 21:20:21 GMT 12
I would of thought it would be logical in the fact to use your arms, hands, to pull off your tear offs ,and adjust the braking system ,shocks etc with restraints in place ,even giving a salute to Ramjam in the appropriate manner .
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