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Post by saloonmad on Jan 4, 2015 0:04:07 GMT 12
Just got home from meeting. All I can say is awesome. Well done to Wellington for putting on a great meeting. The amount of work gone into the venue clearly showed. The racing was all that I expected from a NZ Superstock championship and more. Lots of hits and drama and great to see Peter Rees come out on top.
I was standing pretty much on the apex of turn 1 and 2 when Chad tried his move on Barr. From my vantage point the hit looked to be before the apex but I didn’t really appreciate the significance until afterwards. It just looked like stockcar racing to me. My thoughts at the time were, it was a bit sideways hit for Chad. I hope all is well and all the emergency services were just a precaution.
I loved the Supersaloon action as well. I thought the so called door stop Hypermacs looked awesome. I don’t know what some on here have been banging on about. I certainly would be proud to own one. Bring on the NZ’s in two weeks’ time.
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Post by BarryB on Jan 4, 2015 6:05:10 GMT 12
I believe it is a deliberate ploy by the board not to define where turn 1 starts and ends so technicalities don't get in the way of obtaining a conviction on a hit that is intended to fall under the intention of the rule. If that were true, it'd be the biggest load of cods wallop in New Zealand speedway history. That would really take rule making into the "make it up as we go" category. Barry B |
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Post by beachboy on Jan 4, 2015 6:12:31 GMT 12
was there any action in the 3rd final, or was it just a flag race? On live laps it looked like it was just follow the leader after lap 1.
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Post by TonyG188r on Jan 4, 2015 6:47:41 GMT 12
No it wasn't just a flag race there was plenty of action all over the track from start to finish.
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Post by alloyplatypus on Jan 4, 2015 7:13:10 GMT 12
I hope that Chad is OK. It sounds like a bad situation for both drivers, and possibly would have never happened without this ridiculous rule. Both would have had it in mind and driven offensively and defensively to suit. I never saw the live stream but for Paul Hickey to make such a blatent statement, even in the heat of the moment is pretty bad and disappointing. When his mother proposed the rule many years ago, alot of drivers protested on this page saying it was near impossible to police.. Suprise!!. I don't think Chad was in the wrong, and i even understand Graeme saying what he did, because it would have felt wrong in the car, and if crew had told him what the announcer said, he would have believed it to be true, but i don't think the announcers had the right to make it seem that Chad cheated, that is the refs job to work out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2015 7:16:53 GMT 12
I hope that Chad is OK. It sounds like a bad situation for both drivers, and possibly would have never happened without this ridiculous rule. Both would have had it in mind and driven offensively and defensively to suit. I never saw the live stream but for Paul Hickey to make such a blatent statement, even in the heat of the moment is pretty bad and disappointing. When his mother proposed the rule many years ago, alot of drivers protested on this page saying it was near impossible to police.. Suprise!!. I don't think Chad was in the wrong, and i even understand Graeme saying what he did, because it would have felt wrong in the car, and if crew had told him what the announcer said, he would have believed it to be true, but i don't think the announcer had the right to label Chad a cheat, that is the refs job. The Other C word? To label someone a cheat is a ballsy call, did Paul Hickey do this during his commentary? |
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Post by mattd on Jan 4, 2015 7:29:35 GMT 12
Here is Shane Mellsop going over, from bevanw2 on youtube
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Post by modliteracing on Jan 4, 2015 7:45:11 GMT 12
dont know y my comment was deleted all i said was:
come on guys leave the decision of legal and illegal to snz.
lets have some compassion for an amazing driver who got badly hurt and think about him and what his family must be going through.
snz will make a decision in time i guess after their investigaion lets wait for their decision.
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Post by saloonmad on Jan 4, 2015 8:01:46 GMT 12
was there any action in the 3rd final, or was it just a flag race? On live laps it looked like it was just follow the leader after lap 1. Yes there was plenty of action in the final heat. Lots of tactical stuff from Palmy. It was hard to know where to look at times, Hemi tried to take out Valance and did a good job of holding him up, Meirs did a great job of keeping the way clear for the two Peters. Certainly lots of bent bumpers. Not heat three but here is a shot of Hemi getting repaired after the first.  |
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Post by mattd on Jan 4, 2015 8:11:36 GMT 12
Can someone please link to the video of the Chad Ace/Graeme Barr hit that is floating around on facebook please.
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Post by boner87 on Jan 4, 2015 8:50:14 GMT 12
How it it that we are now dicussing where turn 1-2 start and finish. It's quite clearly in the rule book which is avaliable for everyone to read.
Someone got injured. Why don't we look at what went on in the incident that caused this. There is no need for a discussion on whether it was a legal move or not. We should be looking at speed, how he contacted the wall not was be in the wrong
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Post by homeless on Jan 4, 2015 9:08:48 GMT 12
I agree with boner let's look at wat caused it , Kerry and Chad ,and dave Tarrant have had sleeps this season from the palmy drivers and they all use kirkey full containment seats , are the head restraints on seat too solid and head stops suddenly but brain still moving causing knock outs , Kerry has mentioned he changed padding in this area , is this an area the needs looking at , do we need to go to hampton style seats with compuslory hans type devices , just my thoughts
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2015 9:23:01 GMT 12
A certain few on here having a whinge about Palmy taking out top honours , just remember there were more non palmy cars in the finals than Palmy cars who must have been more than happy to let Palmy take all of the silverware away.As they could easily have put their heads together and changed the result ...
Palmy are the best in the business and will be for a long time to come if the rest of the country are happy to sit back and let them .
Not taking anything away from the Palmy guys , they work well together and show everyone how its done and certainly deserve the rewards .Well deserved 1nz to Peter Rees ..
As far as blaming the new rules for effecting the results , rubbish. The new rule only applies to a certain percentage of the track and there is a hell of a lot of allowable area on the track to stop cars ...And that is how the rules work [ stop/ block ] not [ wind of the end ]
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Post by mordecai on Jan 4, 2015 9:39:18 GMT 12
A certain few on here having a whinge about Palmy taking out top honours , just remember there were more non palmy cars in the finals than Palmy cars who must have been more than happy to let Palmy take all of the silverware away.As they could easily have put their heads together and changed the result ... Palmy are the best in the business and will be for a long time to come if the rest of the country are happy to sit back and let them . Not taking anything away from the Palmy guys , they work well together and show everyone how its done and certainly deserve the rewards .Well deserved 1nz to Peter Rees .. As far as blaming the new rules for effecting the results , rubbish. The new rule only applies to a certain percentage of the track and there is a hell of a lot of allowable area on the track to stop cars ...And that is how the rules work [ stop/ block ] not [ wind of the end ] yes like scott hewson winning the 2nd heat what a wasted opp there he shld have been helping slow the top guys on points and help his club m8s |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2015 9:52:01 GMT 12
Agree there , And that's why the silverware always heads to Palmerston North . And will continue to .
The same goes for other clubs too that don't work together .
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Post by Admin on Jan 4, 2015 9:58:27 GMT 12
How it it that we are now dicussing where turn 1-2 start and finish. It's quite clearly in the rule book which is avaliable for everyone to read. Someone got injured. Why don't we look at what went on in the incident that caused this. There is no need for a discussion on whether it was a legal move or not. We should be looking at speed, how he contacted the wall not was be in the wrong The reason why is because the commentators played at being Ref and called it as an illegal move. I agree that how he got hurt needs to be looked at including speed , angle of contact. safety gear , seat, car design and materials used in it's build. If it's decided that the hit was illegal and as he was the attacking car then not using the rule in teams racing makes no sense. |
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Post by 8cylinders on Jan 4, 2015 10:02:11 GMT 12
Not the best nz champs been to by fair stretch, combination of things. Result was foregone conclusion palmy 123 after first heat. Old man, sister and I picked one car to win each before heat one, got 1,2,4. Kinda sad to win, almost impossible now if not contracted to palmy. Only good for one club in the country that outcome, not that its their fault i think the other clubs simply dont work as well to help their fellow clubmen out, although im sure they try hard and its hard to fight of the number of cars with a P on them. my example of the night it heat 2, why would 135R flag race after a poor heat one in the end to deny a fellow clubmen 45R one important point. its these small things that happen i find quite strange. Agree, was yelling out to 135 car to pull over from the stands! Let's face it though. If Hewson had pulled over to give Vallance the win it would have only given him one more point and made no difference in the great scheme of things. And Vallance killed any hope of having back up in the third race by publicly announcing "if the R don't back me up there's a club meeting next weekend" that doesn't get you back up, it gets you a loss of respect. |
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Post by mordecai on Jan 4, 2015 10:04:06 GMT 12
How it it that we are now dicussing where turn 1-2 start and finish. It's quite clearly in the rule book which is avaliable for everyone to read. Someone got injured. Why don't we look at what went on in the incident that caused this. There is no need for a discussion on whether it was a legal move or not. We should be looking at speed, how he contacted the wall not was be in the wrong The reason why is because the commentators played at being Ref and called it as an illegal move. I agree that how he got hurt needs to be looked at including speed , angle of contact. safety gear , seat, car design and materials used in it's build. If it's decided that the hit was illegal and as he was the attacking car then not using the rule in teams racing makes no sense. its been explained on here b4 with teams racing there is only a max of 4 cars that can take you out and that the driver knows that in individual racing there are 25 drivers that can take you out and you wont be expecting it |
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Post by mordecai on Jan 4, 2015 10:06:18 GMT 12
Agree, was yelling out to 135 car to pull over from the stands! Let's face it though. If Hewson had pulled over to give Vallance the win it would have only given him one more point and made no difference in the great scheme of things. And Vallance killed any hope of having back up in the third race by publicly announcing "if the R don't back me up there's a club meeting next weekend" that doesn't get you back up, it gets you a loss of respect. hewson shld have never worried about racing for points after that first heat he shld have been doing what he could to slow palmy cars down yes it still may not have made a diff but atleast he could say he tried |
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Post by Admin on Jan 4, 2015 10:06:58 GMT 12
If it's decided that the hit was illegal and as he was the attacking car then not using the rule in teams racing makes no sense. its been explained on here b4 with teams racing there is only a max of 4 cars that can take you out and that the driver knows that in individual racing there are 25 drivers that can take you out and you wont be expecting it You didn't read properly , the attacking driver was hurt . Not the attacked driver. |
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