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Post by Admin on Jan 18, 2015 11:03:37 GMT 12
I'm sorry Macgor, but I disagree. Seems reasonable? to who? Not to me it doesn't I am a saloon competitor. I have to build my car to comply with the saloon rules as set out in the rulebook. If the rule says I need a sideplate and a rolecage of x shape and construction, then thats what I must have. Thats the parameters I agreed to when I call my car a saloon and race on SNZ tracks. If Blondie wants to race as a super saloon, then the car needs to compy with the Super Saloon rules as set out in the rulebook. Every other Super saloon has to comply with those rules. It seems reasonable to me that Blondie's car should comply with them too. Every other car in the country is built to compy with them, To give a dispensation on safety items puts a real risk to the sport. Imagine the legal arguement which would ensue if someting bad happened and they said "Why was the car not constructed according to the rulebook for this class, rules which have been developed and modified over time due to engineering reports, accident data and technical evaluations" I'm sorry, but the response" It didn't comply but we thought it was safe on the night" will not satisfy the legal profession and will expose our sport to significant trouble trouble. Dispensations are routinely issued , we have to trust that SNZ consider safety and fairness to other competitors when making the decision to issue them. Yes the car should ultimately comply but to sideline cars all the time for non compliance I suspect would mean reduced fields quite often. As I said before just because a car is clothed differently it doesn't automatically make it unsafe, just non compliant. SNZ decided it was safe I assume. |
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Post by HIGHWAY45 on Jan 18, 2015 11:20:11 GMT 12
A radical car, an ambitious owner/builder/driver, competitive times for first real time out on the track. If people (including all of you on here) are honest then I'm sure a lot of people will admit to being surprised with the lap times and glimpse of potential this car and driver has. Most wrote Blondie and the car off before this meeting, many saying he wouldn't even make the track, others saying he'd be left in the dust of the big V8's. Well surprise surprise that wasn't the case at all.
Definitely no slouch with lap times nowhere near off the pace.
If he tweaks and gets things right before HUntly GP, we might see this 'shoebox/half mod' turn more heads, including some of the new age/big name drivers when he possibly goes around or under them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 15:58:31 GMT 12
since there is a little bit of confusion - I thought I would post this. These pics are of my own mod chassis - please excuse the mess, it hasnt been cleaned up in a long time. Its a funny angle because I was leaning over a motorbike and the garage is only a single. Not much room.  Both sides are the samne - note that the drivers seat is quite high compared to any saloons. I should add now that when this chassis sits on wheels it is below the legal maximum hieght limit for s/saloons and saloons...  that is where the saloon legal "hip plate" would be - that peice of 1.2mm ali measures 450mm high {minimum legal on s/saloons and saloons} to even get through to that side plate - you have to drive your car through the knerf bars, through the muffler and then through the extra bar work there that is non-existant on saloons and s/saloons. Not to mention that where the bolt is poking through is for the forward arm of the diff bars, the other bits poking off are the knerf bar mounts. that plate goes further back than the tyres and it is the same on both sides. Full plating there useless - it would not protect anything that is not already protected by bar work. where that ali endes - is also where the drivers cockpit ends. |
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Post by jimmyj on Jan 18, 2015 16:10:51 GMT 12
Just remember a super weighs substansuly more than a modified racing side by side
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 16:22:52 GMT 12
Just remember a super weighs substansuly more than a modified racing side by side true. Blondies though is less than a modified by about 20 to 50kg. Its not much really - minimum weight for a mod is 920kg for a v8. 620kg with a 4cyl or rotary. Small engine with light weight - if he can get the traction to make it work then he has a weapon! |
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Post by jimmyj on Jan 18, 2015 16:24:34 GMT 12
What I meant was if a super drives into the side of the port a loo it would crumble
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 16:42:13 GMT 12
What I meant was if a super drives into the side of the port a loo it would crumble That would depend on how fast the other super is going compared to the fugly, but you cant build a car that fits the rules AND is strong enough to handle having a car slam into yours with enough force to get into the middle of your car - not unless youre building a stock car. seriously though - my mod chassis is a good example here - theres alot to get through, maybe a heavier car could get through it - maybe not. but it would have to be fairly deliberate to get through it, all those bars where a standard plate would be... where a usual Saloon driver sits is ahead of the rear wheel, much lower down - the side plate reaches my ribs - and my legs are stretched out in front of me like in a normal road car. {comparing from a ctra B saloon I have} A mod driver sits well back, in the middle and nearly on top of the diff - the side plate reachs the bottom of my knee - and my legs are up and down with no room to move forward. the external non metal stuff - yes, its designed to fall of in a BIG tumble - but the bar work is just as tough as plate - maybe you can bend it, but I doubt a true accident would break it. |
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Post by HIGHWAY45 on Jan 18, 2015 17:44:23 GMT 12
The port a loo did a 16.3 in the repercharge. 96a fastest lap from 3 finals heats was 16.5. Is that fast enough to make it crumble?
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Post by Jamo on Jan 18, 2015 18:09:31 GMT 12
Boring!!!
Though all you guys would have had enough of this whole thread by now!
More comment on this dead in the water issue than real speedway news!!
Weekends fantastic results from great meetings?? Upcoming great meetings?? Nah who cares, lets all slag off oyher people about something thay really has run its course. I may call this the Dotcom thread cause it resembles the moment of thruth comedy act!!
How about you mods close this thread down to try and encourage people to move on to more positive discussions!!!!
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Post by HIGHWAY45 on Jan 18, 2015 18:23:30 GMT 12
 So boring Jamo that you've obviously taken the time to read it and then even blow a lil steam with a comment. Wonder if Mods will get a 12 page thread by end of next weekend? |
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Post by screaminV8 on Jan 18, 2015 18:31:10 GMT 12
I hear merv julian is building a modified based on a saloon chassis. Old rover I think  ? |
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Post by Admin on Jan 18, 2015 18:38:03 GMT 12
I think Jamo is hoping for a little more interest in a certain upcoming championship rather than the never ending self righteous and demeaning comments posted in here by the likes of jimmyj etc. This thread is going to be locked simply because I've had a gutsful of the dribble.
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