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Post by Admin on Jan 26, 2015 19:41:35 GMT 12
dosent really matter if ashers young, he should realise that there may be consequences for posting stuff on social media sites and radio espically if its a threat to ends someones racing time. I got the wrong end of the stick , reading the first post in this thread I wrongly assumed it happened today. |
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Post by stockyracer on Jan 26, 2015 19:48:03 GMT 12
d) put you at serious risk of harm (how many drivers to you see unbuckling on incar on the warm down lap).
D - No more risk than any other time on a race. If a driver has loosened or removed his belts while still on the track under a green light he/she is an absolute muppet.
i 100% agree here with mcfly. any one at any time - any race and is keen to unloosen themselves still out on the track is an absolute idiot. i actually struggle to see why you would want to in the first place.
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Post by mattblack on Jan 26, 2015 19:54:43 GMT 12
dosent really matter if ashers young, he should realise that there may be consequences for posting stuff on social media sites and radio espically if its a threat to ends someones racing time. I got the wrong end of the stick , reading the first post in this thread I wrongly assumed it happened today. I too got the wrong end of that stick, and assumed the same as you and would imagine we aren't the only ones. Goes to show how easy it is to form an opinion based on someone else's info in a post. |
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Post by penman on Jan 26, 2015 19:59:30 GMT 12
dosent really matter if ashers young, he should realise that there may be consequences for posting stuff on social media sites and radio espically if its a threat to ends someones racing time. I got the wrong end of the stick , reading the first post in this thread I wrongly assumed it happened today.
However, now this has been clarified, Asher obviously wasn't responding to the hit Humphrey out on him after the flag. In fact, it could be inferred that Mr Rees Jnr 'invited' such a response by Humphrey through the interview.
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Post by ATK on Jan 26, 2015 19:59:45 GMT 12
You mention the car falling apart. Going back to what I was tought in school science, every action has an equal reaction. So when you include the speed difference between the cars, the solid concrete wall Asher was up against and the fact that he didn't go up the wall or roll, my guess would be that the energy from the impact has gone through the car then come back to the same side and has found a weak spot on the left side rail (which takes a lot of punishment) and has caused it to come off and also lift Kerry's car up and damage engine etc. Well that would be my theory?? The fact that large pieces of metal came loose is worth investigating. Did welds break? did the metal fracture or tear?. Did it bend at all? It's a rare thing to see what happened happen. Siderail had a slight twist at the wheel guard end and the out riggers were twisted and fractured at the same end but the front out riggers were torn away at the welds. Check out the pics on A.R. Motorsport on facebook if you can and have a nosey. Was able to see the siderail itself at the track though |
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Post by lustee on Jan 26, 2015 20:09:22 GMT 12
My apologise to you all.. I didn't mean it to appear that the radio interview was due to last nights racing.. I started this thread to gauge people opinions about the whole rivalry between the two parties.. It is my understanding that this begun many years ago between Peter and Kerry, and feel it should have stayed that way. It is one thing to be young an want to make a name for yourself and another to do it in the hope you can destroy someone's sports career and possible inflict a life changing injury.. Again my apologise it was not my intention to mislead the thread
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Post by screaminV8 on Jan 26, 2015 20:11:50 GMT 12
The fact that large pieces of metal came loose is worth investigating. Did welds break? did the metal fracture or tear?. Did it bend at all? It's a rare thing to see what happened happen. Siderail had a slight twist at the wheel guard end and the out riggers were twisted and fractured at the same end but the front out riggers were torn away at the welds. Asher said when I saw him at the 240s that they "had done nothing to his car since getting back from Nelson - too busy on customers cars". So maybe it's like the old chestnut about mechanics having the worse maintained cars themselves!? That car would have taken a lot of battering over the past few weeks, and it they didn't have time to go over it properly then quite likely it may have been weaker than expected? |
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Post by tank11 on Jan 26, 2015 20:13:07 GMT 12
A warning for what??? Which rule number has he broken?? SNZ can only do something if a compeditor breaks a rule that is in the rule book Pretty sure there will be rules about threats about the same place as the social media bit. There is also a law that covers this. If a threat is made and you come good on it, you can be charged with using a vehicle as a weapon. As you have stated that you intend to do someone harm, it is premeditated. I know this as we placed a complaint some years back on a competitor in a non-contact class who had been saying he was going to do this and did. Police followed it up and Palmy/SNZ made out it was just a "racing incident, throttle stuck" (more a case of who you know). |
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Post by Admin on Jan 26, 2015 20:15:04 GMT 12
I got the wrong end of the stick , reading the first post in this thread I wrongly assumed it happened today.
However, now this has been clarified, Asher obviously wasn't responding to the hit Humphrey out on him after the flag. In fact, it could be inferred that Mr Rees Jnr 'invited' such a response by Humphrey through the interview.
Without hearing the interview it's hard to form an opinion. I've already fallen into that trap once today. |
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Post by penman on Jan 26, 2015 20:20:50 GMT 12
I assumed much the same as you Mr Macgor.
However, now this has been clarified, Asher obviously wasn't responding to the hit Humphrey out on him after the flag. In fact, it could be inferred that Mr Rees Jnr 'invited' such a response by Humphrey through the interview.
Without hearing the interview it's hard to form an opinion. I've already fallen into that trap once today. I hoped I had covered myself with the use of 'inferred'  Since I haven't heard the interview either, I should refer to it as the 'alleged' interview. |
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Post by Go Slideways on Jan 26, 2015 20:28:44 GMT 12
You mention the car falling apart. Going back to what I was tought in school science, every action has an equal reaction. So when you include the speed difference between the cars, the solid concrete wall Asher was up against and the fact that he didn't go up the wall or roll, my guess would be that the energy from the impact has gone through the car then come back to the same side and has found a weak spot on the left side rail (which takes a lot of punishment) and has caused it to come off and also lift Kerry's car up and damage engine etc. Well that would be my theory?? The fact that large pieces of metal came loose is worth investigating. Did welds break? did the metal fracture or tear?. Did it bend at all? It's a rare thing to see what happened happen. The siderail bent quite a bit before being ripped off..  photo hosting sites |
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Post by sonic33 on Jan 26, 2015 20:37:04 GMT 12
As far as I am concerned let it be sorted on the track. Anything illegal needs to be sorted by the officials.
I have just seen the incar vid from Ashers car. My question is why, after such a hit, and flames, would you continue to wind over the starter? He had finished the race according to all. There was nothing more he could do with the situation, yet after the hit and flames he repeatedly cranks it over. If there was a hole in the engine then that couldn't have helped.
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Post by mcfly on Jan 26, 2015 21:23:48 GMT 12
The fact that large pieces of metal came loose is worth investigating. Did welds break? did the metal fracture or tear?. Did it bend at all? It's a rare thing to see what happened happen. The siderail bent quite a bit before being ripped off.. photo hosting sitesIt would be very hard to determine how much of that damage was done during the hit and how much was done by 179 running it over. Either way given the angle of the hit it should not have come off. I bet we will see side rails with just as severe (and more so) damage during the teams champs that don't come completely off. |
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Post by mxraca on Jan 26, 2015 21:24:30 GMT 12
You mention the car falling apart. Going back to what I was tought in school science, every action has an equal reaction. So when you include the speed difference between the cars, the solid concrete wall Asher was up against and the fact that he didn't go up the wall or roll, my guess would be that the energy from the impact has gone through the car then come back to the same side and has found a weak spot on the left side rail (which takes a lot of punishment) and has caused it to come off and also lift Kerry's car up and damage engine etc. Well that would be my theory?? The fact that large pieces of metal came loose is worth investigating. Did welds break? did the metal fracture or tear?. Did it bend at all? It's a rare thing to see what happened happen. I don't post a lot on here but just have to point out that also what has been forgotten is what kerrys car is made of also to imply that cars built & maintained in a professional workshop would not be a wise thing to say when you stack the percentages up of how many cars are built, maintained and repaired there take it as you want but to be honest I get sick & tired off people who are not either party making comments and presuming they know what is going on as I have seen in many responses let the persons involved sort it stop speculating cut the keyboard racing out and focus on the good things in speedway the both parties have done for it and move on it has had enough publicity now take your best shots at me I wont respond stockcars are about racing on track and only on track so keep it there or keep it shut.  |
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Post by midway on Jan 26, 2015 21:25:05 GMT 12
There was no radio interview today it was early this month. I guess like said above hopefully time will calm down the situation. Thanks for all of the comments but I think this thread is done. Just wanted to gauge others opinions.. The fish have certainly been biting well ,ever thought you should enter a surfcasting competition and prebook your ticket |
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Post by lustee on Jan 26, 2015 21:38:21 GMT 12
There was no radio interview today it was early this month. I guess like said above hopefully time will calm down the situation. Thanks for all of the comments but I think this thread is done. Just wanted to gauge others opinions.. The fish have certainly been biting well ,ever thought you should enter a surfcasting competition and prebook your ticket Not my intention to get bites.. It's my opinion and that's it.. Everyone else is entitled to theirs.. I put it out there to hear what others thought that is all.. |
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Post by lustee on Jan 26, 2015 22:01:46 GMT 12
By the way I never said the interview was today..
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Post by gjd on Jan 26, 2015 22:13:45 GMT 12
lustee,for what its worth here is my opinion......
1 or 2 years ago when experts were moaning on here about the lack of contact someone suggested we need to be like the old days and have goodies and baddies in cars to create rivalry during the races so the paying public can take sides and it would spice up the meetings..
Well now you have what you wished for so lets let it play out on the tracks and bring on the entertainment
For the promoters and public this is better than BIG WEDNESDAY
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Post by lustee on Jan 26, 2015 22:24:14 GMT 12
I agree to a degree .. This is why I opened up the debate. It's always good to not rely in your own opionions but consider others ... I have read each post an repect them all.. Here's hoping it remains fun for the spectators but also safe enough for the drivers.. I'm all for that and have no set agenda for any if those concerned. I'm think this thread has done what I wanted it to do. I will sit back and watch and play the wait and see game that I think we all are waiting for... Thanks I'm signing off...
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Post by Rusty on Jan 26, 2015 22:53:06 GMT 12
Stuff like this has been going on for years only in decades before it was said over a couple of beers in the clubrooms with only the odd chinese whisper getting out. Now with social media and forums etc etc a lot of stuff just gets blowen out of porpotion. Just remember all "the bullsh#@ stops when the flag drops" a quote from bill flowers the king of hitmen
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