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Post by superstock on Jan 29, 2015 5:43:32 GMT 12
where have all the streetstocks gone used to be a great class
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Post by gjd on Jan 29, 2015 7:33:57 GMT 12
The streetstocks have gone where 10-30% of other competitors in some classes have gone,fishing,working,unemployed,overseas for work or just retracted and trying to make ends meet with family,morgages etc as times change and the season campainers moved on.
This means less competitors,smaller fields and 1 night championships
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 7:45:15 GMT 12
The streetstocks have gone where 10-30% of other competitors in some classes have gone,fishing,working,unemployed,overseas for work or just retracted and trying to make ends meet with family,morgages etc as times change and the season campainers moved on. This means less competitors,smaller fields and 1 night championships Actually, ya know what? Steetstocks are still one of about 5 classes where a 2 night NZ champ's is a given as its needed. I'd say is prob the same for SI champs and GP when held in the South. NI and GP's in the North Island are borderline the. Id say this year's NZ streetstocks will be the 3rd best attended NZ champ's over all classes entrants wise. |
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Post by teamkaos on Jan 29, 2015 12:08:50 GMT 12
Both work and both don't work - it really seems to depend on how the night runs (and every week is different). A one race final means a competitor knows who he has to pass to win or podium, and the fans can understand that as it unfolds. Three heats can see a "winner" declared without he or she ever winning a race (confusing for fans), and a certain driver making huge gains from his back grid if that just happens to be, through luck of the draw, the race with the big train wreck in it (or he who has a back grid in the next race when half a dozen drivers either can't front or can't be bothered fixing their car as their chances for that year are gone). What three heats does though is pit ALL of the top drivers together for a lot more laps, and there's something to be said for that too. But for the above reasons sometimes the most "consistent" driver is actually only the "luckiest". The 3 heat final was designed to reward he or she who passed the most cars. However, the grids are slightly unbalanced, track conditions change and the number of cars starting each race usually varies. Where the track is difficult to pass on, each driver suffers either the advantage or disdvantage of starting either in front of or behind certain competitors in 2 of the 3 races, unbalancing things even more when you might have two hotshots very equal. It might also occur that, due to grid draws, these two hotshots never see each other all night, meaning the title is decided on them racing others and not each other. I also feel that a one-race final generates less carnage, at least when it matters most (in the final race itself), as the grid will be formed basically in order of pace and not all mixed up like in the heats. Therefore, 3 heats + a one-race final is arguably the best format of all for the non-contact classes. It benefits those who are consistent through the heats by rewarding them with a front grid, while still keeping alive the hopes of somebody who has had a bad night, IF they are good enough. Barry B If last weekend showed anything to me it is that trying to run 3 x 20 car heat races and then a one off 25 lap race at the end on the same night is far to hard on the track, drivers and the crews. Asking way to much. We were lucky not to be down to 10 cars for the title race!! Who wants to see a title race with bugger all cars surviving to take part in it!! The argument about doing away with the 3 heat deal to avoid the carnage / protest factor does not wash with me, especially when you still run the 3 heat format before the title race anyway!! False logic. The problem with a 3 race format is that it heavily favours the guys lucky enough to get a front grid for the first race. While the grid is full and if they manage to stay at the front for the end of the race. Then its a matter of driving safe, conserving and just finishing where you have to for the next 2 races while others drop out or crash in the next 2. There is normally 3 or 4 cars that dont start the third race so those who got the front grid kick start in the first race get another kick start in their third race having to pass less cars to gain more points. Saying that, imho, 2 heats and a stand alone feature race is not enough to decide a Title. So their has to be somewhere in the middle. You say false logic, but 3, all in 20 car heats to determine the grids for a 1 race final i reckon is the best format. Sure its 4 big races in one night, but if you have trouble in one of the heats, especially the first heat, your nights not over and you still have the final feature to mount ya comeback. Would be impossible for a one night deal thou. but very possible for those classes with less than the track limit in entries. |
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Post by percy on Jan 29, 2015 12:38:32 GMT 12
No, we don't need 2 night titles for the open wheel/saloon classes.
All those classes will produce fields that can be easily accommodated in a one-night show. A one-night show will also have the benefit of producing a superior track surface for the competitors. In saying that I do see merit in the two-night multi-heat format provided there are 13-15 cars in each heat. I hope we will see more of this format going forward. The days of 20 high horsepower cars running multiple races successfully on a mixed grid are over.
If running a one-night show tracks could always provide a second nights racing to mitigate the desire for drivers to get more racing for the distance travelled. For instance Huntly could run the NZ Super Saloon GP one night, then the Waikato Super Saloon Title the next night. I'd say that line-up would attract a stronger crowd presence than running a two-night GP show which could flow on to competitors in the form of superior prize money and a stronger take for the track.
Alternatively tracks could potentially co-operate (this might be wishful thinking!) and run the NZ Title at one track on the first night, then run the GP at a nearby track the next night. Would be one way of increasing entries to the GP.
Certainly a topic worthy of debate.
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Post by Tapped on Jan 29, 2015 18:17:46 GMT 12
I thought that was the nz's that got rained on the day/s before, rammers? Yip that happened as well, that was a VERY long day. It was about a year or two before that the event I was refering to. EDIT: ok I do 3 mins research a week and I've just done 1/3rd of that now. We had the NI's in 05/06 I sure it was that, the NZ's u refer to were 09/10 That'll explain it 05/06 i was playing in the sandpit so missed that season. |
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