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Post by m8sr8z on Feb 1, 2015 7:57:52 GMT 12
To Tier 1, correct. You race against the other two teams in your group. The 4 group winners go through to Tier 1, and only those 4 can win. The 4 second placed teams in their groups go through to Tier 2. The highest they can finish is 3rd overall. Where the points you scored in your group is important when related to those scored by teams in the other groups is when it comes to determining who races who on Night 2. 1st on points races 4th on points, of the 4 group winners, and 2nd races 3rd. Ditto in Tier 2. Barry B Awesome thanks Barry. Still chance of getting a seed for next year, let's see how it plans out. Can't wait! |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 1, 2015 8:01:26 GMT 12
Yes, only 4 teams from night 1 are definitely knocked out of a possible podium finish on Night 2.
Barry B
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Post by theothermikeyb on Feb 1, 2015 8:11:30 GMT 12
Yes, only 4 teams from night 1 are definitely knocked out of a possible podium finish on Night 2. Barry B So how does 3 to 4 work on night 2? Still best loser on points from top 4 against top points winner in the second 4? |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 1, 2015 8:20:51 GMT 12
I'm sure they won't have changed that bit. That 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th playoff is always the tricky one to follow, as by night 2 you're basically racing first across the line to win, but if you're losing you need to consolidate and score as many points as possible in the loss.
Barry B
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Post by gregobro on Feb 1, 2015 8:53:49 GMT 12
I know it wasn't rigged because Barry showed me his balls before going on the infield. (and that folks, is how rumours start).
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Post by gravelspreader on Feb 1, 2015 9:12:31 GMT 12
So Peoples the draw has been done who is everybodys Top 4 Predictions ?
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Post by TheGinga on Feb 1, 2015 9:18:33 GMT 12
Scrappers, Rebels, Allstars and Tigers. Nelson vs Stratford final.
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Post by Skorp on Feb 1, 2015 9:51:27 GMT 12
Brawlers, Warriors, Hawkeyes, Panthers. Hawkeyes to beat Warriors in the final, Panthers will be third.
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Post by HIGHWAY45 on Feb 1, 2015 9:55:36 GMT 12
And did the same people allege the same thing when the Panthers and Mustangs drew the same group? Over time you're obviously going to get draws that are perceived as both easier and harder. The other thing is, 9 times from 10 Palmy is seeded so a group does not "develop" for them to slot into - they're already heading it!! Barry B Thoughts Highway45? How was that "easy group" of the Mustangs and the Tigers that "developed" for the Panthers to conveniently end up in? Barry B Barry, i have expected a comment from you in regards to this. So pleased you lived up to my expectations, but a tad disappointed also, particularly in your reading of my initial message in the wrong context.  My original post asked a question "Will it be names or numbers used in the draw?" I then went on to mention recalling numbers having been used before and PEOPLE (as in many fans) claiming that when a SUPPOSEDLY easier group developed (as in formed/eventuated)..... I feel you Barry have read 'DEVELOPED' as to mean the SUPPOSEDLY easier group was fabricated or made purposely. Never did the word 'DEVELOPED' mean this. My post was asking a simple question and recalling events of the past. Simple. Seeking an answer on behalf of readers, established and new to the site. The draw made last night is how everyone would prefer and like it to be done I'm sure. Big ups to it being made publicly and by completely independent people. |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 1, 2015 9:56:50 GMT 12
The 4 group winners to be BP Brawlers, Rotorua Rebels, Auckland Allstars & Palmy North Panthers.
Baypark to beat Palmy in the Final!!
The draw makes it the most even qualifying night for years, possibly ever? On paper at least, it looks like every team could win every group, and it's been a while since we could say that.
Barry B
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Post by HIGHWAY45 on Feb 1, 2015 10:17:47 GMT 12
Definitely the most even 'on paper' draw in a long time. Theres always a tough group and this year P, P and N make that up. Could well be some very damaged cars coming out of that group and late night Friday with repairs etc. Palmy are very good at doing what they have to, to win races, looking after drivers and machinery. This year they might not get that option as each race has the potential to be brutal.
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Post by BarryB on Feb 1, 2015 10:21:38 GMT 12
Thoughts Highway45? How was that "easy group" of the Mustangs and the Tigers that "developed" for the Panthers to conveniently end up in? Barry B Barry, i have expected a comment from you in regards to this. So pleased you lived up to my expectations, but a tad disappointed also, particularly in your reading of my initial message in the wrong context. My original post asked a question "Will it be names or numbers used in the draw?" I then went on to mention recalling numbers having been used before and PEOPLE (as in many fans) claiming that when a SUPPOSEDLY easier group developed (as in formed/eventuated)..... I feel you Barry have read 'DEVELOPED' as to mean the SUPPOSEDLY easier group was fabricated or made purposely. Never did the word 'DEVELOPED' mean this. My post was asking a simple question and recalling events of the past. Simple. Seeking an answer on behalf of readers, established and new to the site. The draw made last night is how everyone would prefer and like it to be done I'm sure. Big ups to it being made publicly and by completely independent people. The idea of one person picking out a group and another person picking out a team, then matching them up and slotting them into a pre-determined position in the race order, has been used for quite a few years now. I can't actually remember how many, so I'm really not sure when the example you refer to comes from. The same format and same race order based on that has been used whenever 12 teams have been available. The draw was done in a different location this year, but not done any differently to other years recent. I suspect the confusion with the numbers may have come from the fact that once a team is drawn it is given a ranking (especially when it's been done live on the radio, as it has at times in the past). Ranks 1-4 are the 4 seeded teams, 1st through 4th from the previous year. The 8 non-seeded teams are randomly drawn, but then given a rank, a number from 5-12 (the seeded team in Group A is Rank 1, the first team randomly drawn into that group is Rank 5 and the final team is Rank 9). All this does is slot them into the race order that the promotion knows works. (Group D = Ranks 4, 8 & 12, Group C = 3, 7 & 11 and Group B = 2, 6 & 10). Group A in 2015, for example, is Baypark (rank 1), Team GB (automatically allocated rank 5, as the first team randomly drawn into that group) and the Scrappers (rank 9, as the second team drawn into that group). The pre-determined race order every year then automatically pits Rank 9 against Rank 1 in Race 4, Rank 5 against Rank 9 in Race 8 and Rank 1 against Rank 5 in Race 12. Hopefully that helps a little. Barry B |
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Post by Speedway & Motorsport Media on Feb 1, 2015 10:30:52 GMT 12
My Top 4 Baypark, Wanganui ,Hawkes Bay, Nelson
Hawkes Bay v Nelson Final with Tigers to win... Baypark 3rd Wanganui 4th
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Post by HIGHWAY45 on Feb 1, 2015 10:32:44 GMT 12
Naww thanks Barry.
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Post by BarryB on Feb 1, 2015 10:41:30 GMT 12
So, as explained above (and this will show it even more clearly), the numbers (the rankings) merely set the race order for Night 1. Ranks 1-4 are the 4 seeded teams from the previous year, so are pre-determined. Ranks 5-12 are randomly drawn, as above.  |
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Post by m8sr8z on Feb 1, 2015 10:50:58 GMT 12
Baypark
Wanganui
Auckland
Nelson
Nelson to beat Wanganui in final
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Post by midway on Feb 1, 2015 10:55:19 GMT 12
I know it wasn't rigged because Barry showed me his balls before going on the infield. (and that folks, is how rumours start). Two Moderators ,a peep show ,then a balls up ,and poor old Percy has spoken a word ,maybe Jamo,s icecream in a cone melted with the excitement  |
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Post by Ben Biggs on Feb 1, 2015 10:57:06 GMT 12
Im loving how many people seem to picking Nelson to win the final!!!
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Post by Skorp on Feb 1, 2015 10:57:50 GMT 12
So, as explained above (and this will show it even more clearly), the numbers (the rankings) merely set the race order for Night 1. Ranks 1-4 are the 4 seeded teams from the previous year, so are pre-determined. Ranks 5-12 are randomly drawn, as above. Looking back through my stack of old programs, when there has been 12 teams, it's always been group a first, then b, c, followed by d with the same patterning repeating twice more for the 12 races. Is it being changed this year? |
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Post by 888hsv on Feb 1, 2015 11:00:28 GMT 12
Brawlers
Warriors
Allstars
Nelson
I think the race between Panthers and Mustangs will be brutal and if they are the first 2 teams to race will either team have enough time to fix them and have a complete team ready to race?.
As we know any race can have 1 moment to change the outcome of a race and I hope that this year the drivers and teams put it on the line as they did last year where cars that were crippled still managed to complete laps to win races!!!.
I would like the Rebels to win I'm just doubt the top gear chassis is right for teams as they seem to get crippled easier or is this because the attacker knows where to hit them?.
Can wait to start the roadie and be sitting in anticipation for it to start come Friday night.
All the very best to each team and drivers and that we all leave the event as we came alive and kicking wanting more!!!!!
P.S. ALLSTARS to win against Brawlers in the final!!!!! |
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