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Post by Ben Biggs on Feb 11, 2015 21:22:02 GMT 12
Cos they're registered as 82-86 Buster... Nelson no longer has a 18, 46, 186 or 861 superstock LOL
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 21:25:53 GMT 12
So the new rule, which is supposedly meant to make things easier for all patrons, has already failed at it's first meeting, according to examples listed in this thread alone.
A new rule that doesn't achieve it's intended purpose on it's first outing - classic speedway.
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Post by busterbell on Feb 11, 2015 21:29:47 GMT 12
Cos they're registered as 82-86 Buster... Nelson no longer has a 18, 46, 186 or 861 superstock LOL you missed my point ben....... mordeci was claiming it will all be different next year.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 21:32:17 GMT 12
[/p][/quote]just wait and see but I guarantee I am 100 percent correct [/quote] why next year and not next teams event? why ok this season but not next season?[/quote] Surely Speedway New Zealand would not be so pedantic as to change it's rules to appease a privately run meeting?
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Post by percy on Feb 11, 2015 22:15:27 GMT 12
So the new rule, which is supposedly meant to make things easier for all patrons, has already failed at it's first meeting, according to examples listed in this thread alone. A new rule that doesn't achieve it's intended purpose on it's first outing - classic speedway. The rule was an outstanding success as evidenced from the feedback of the punters on Macgors. The only people who don't like it are Nelson Tigers fans and yourself. If Nelson had run their real numbers the Nelson Tigers fans would have no problem with it so that leaves just you. You went in with a pre-conceived attitude, were found to be wrong and have been trying to post your way out of a self-induced hole ever since. Given the events of the weekend I think we can conclude that there is no tactical advantage to running consecutive numbers. It does however make races harder to read from the grandstand/tv and makes our sport less promotable as a result. I can say from experience it was a huge help (watching the live stream) to be able to identify drivers. I will also add it was not a good look to have a current SNZ Director in the team flouting the intent of the rule. I'm sure Nelson will have their numbers sorted for next season and one day we will all look back an wonder what the heck we were thinking when everyone changed their numbers for teams racing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 23:41:46 GMT 12
So the new rule, which is supposedly meant to make things easier for all patrons, has already failed at it's first meeting, according to examples listed in this thread alone. A new rule that doesn't achieve it's intended purpose on it's first outing - classic speedway. The rule was an outstanding success as evidenced from the feedback of the punters on Macgors. The only people who don't like it are Nelson Tigers fans and yourself. If Nelson had run their real numbers the Nelson Tigers fans would have no problem with it so that leaves just you. You went in with a pre-conceived attitude, were found to be wrong and have been trying to post your way out of a self-induced hole ever since. Given the events of the weekend I think we can conclude that there is no tactical advantage to running consecutive numbers. It does however make races harder to read from the grandstand/tv and makes our sport less promotable as a result. I can say from experience it was a huge help (watching the live stream) to be able to identify drivers. I will also add it was not a good look to have a current SNZ Director in the team flouting the intent of the rule. I'm sure Nelson will have their numbers sorted for next season and one day we will all look back an wonder what the heck we were thinking when everyone changed their numbers for teams racing. You are correct on one point, I did have a pre-conceived opinion on the new rule, however, I left my mind open to the possibility it would make a remarkable difference, but for me it didn't, as I have previously posted. I've also used other factual examples by other members who have contributed to this thread, which point out flaws in the new rule, showing how it hasn't worked in some instances, so it hasn't been proven right or wrong, it all depends which side of the fence you sit on. Its clear you and the majority of posters here sit on one side, and myself and others on the other side. No clear conclusion can be reached based on this forum's posts, as the majority of speedway fans dont participate in this forum. We could argue for days, but I can't see my opinion being changed for the time being. It works for some people and not others. And F.Y.I I am a Tigers fan, have been for years following the Warriors abscence for a few seasons, Warriors are my number 1 team, followed extremely closely by the Tigers. So I had a team running their sequential registered numbers, and a team running registered numbers, and I had no trouble reading either teams races.
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Post by BarryB on Feb 12, 2015 6:06:10 GMT 12
Cos they're registered as 82-86 Buster... Nelson no longer has a 18, 46, 186 or 861 superstock LOL How can they have two different 84n's? And yes, if they did EVERY meeting from now on with their 82-86, there would be no problem. But will they? Barry B
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Post by BarryB on Feb 12, 2015 6:14:04 GMT 12
The rule was an outstanding success as evidenced from the feedback of the punters on Macgors. The only people who don't like it are Nelson Tigers fans and yourself. If Nelson had run their real numbers the Nelson Tigers fans would have no problem with it so that leaves just you. You went in with a pre-conceived attitude, were found to be wrong and have been trying to post your way out of a self-induced hole ever since. Given the events of the weekend I think we can conclude that there is no tactical advantage to running consecutive numbers. It does however make races harder to read from the grandstand/tv and makes our sport less promotable as a result. I can say from experience it was a huge help (watching the live stream) to be able to identify drivers. I will also add it was not a good look to have a current SNZ Director in the team flouting the intent of the rule. I'm sure Nelson will have their numbers sorted for next season and one day we will all look back an wonder what the heck we were thinking when everyone changed their numbers for teams racing. You are correct on one point, I did have a pre-conceived opinion on the new rule, however, I left my mind open to the possibility it would make a remarkable difference, but for me it didn't, as I have previously posted. I've also used other factual examples by other members who have contributed to this thread, which point out flaws in the new rule, showing how it hasn't worked in some instances, so it hasn't been proven right or wrong, it all depends which side of the fence you sit on. Its clear you and the majority of posters here sit on one side, and myself and others on the other side. No clear conclusion can be reached based on this forum's posts, as the majority of speedway fans dont participate in this forum. We could argue for days, but I can't see my opinion being changed for the time being. It works for some people and not others. And F.Y.I I am a Tigers fan, have been for years following the Warriors abscence for a few seasons, Warriors are my number 1 team, followed extremely closely by the Tigers. So I had a team running their sequential registered numbers, and a team running registered numbers, and I had no trouble reading either teams races. It could also be argued that it doesn't even matter whether it worked or not (seperate debate). The promotion wanted to change a condition of entry. 55 of 60 understood and obliged. To me it was not up to the teams to decide this rule, just comply with it and it's intent. Barry B
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Post by kiatoa on Feb 12, 2015 6:22:10 GMT 12
Makes you wonder what other rules Nelson might try to bend, find a loophole for ( i sound like Busterbell).......might be better if they just concentrate on racing.
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Post by tank11 on Feb 12, 2015 7:45:47 GMT 12
Made it easier to tell Wayne (591) from Jordan (581) and bound to be other teams running similar car bodies, within the team.
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Post by BarryB on Feb 12, 2015 10:43:39 GMT 12
So the new rule, which is supposedly meant to make things easier for all patrons, has already failed at it's first meeting, according to examples listed in this thread alone. A new rule that doesn't achieve it's intended purpose on it's first outing - classic speedway. I don't really understand your post Richard. Can you possibly expand on what it is you're saying? Where has the new rule "failed?" Barry B
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 11:25:52 GMT 12
It has already been pointed out, you called it pedantic. Pedantic or not, it's a fail mark in that particular situation, if rules are to be rules.....if there is no enforcing, why bother having it? The exact same situation was raised when the new rule was announced.
The new rule failed to stop the Tigers turning up in sequential numbers (legal at the time), which is exactly what the new rule was designed to prevent.
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Post by BarryB on Feb 12, 2015 11:44:39 GMT 12
It has already been pointed out, you called it pedantic. Pedantic or not, it's a fail mark in that particular situation, if rules are to be rules.....if there is no enforcing, why bother having it? The exact same situation was raised when the new rule was announced. The new rule failed to stop the Tigers turning up in sequential numbers (legal at the time), which is exactly what the new rule was designed to prevent. With the greatest respect, the new rule was introduced to make the event more fan friendly, not necessarily to stop teams running with sequential numbers. If team drivers want to register those numbers and race with them on regular Saturday nights at their home tracks too, all is good in the world. As for driver changes DURING the meeting, to expect number changes with 2 minutes notice is just childish (and that applies to anybody that has raised this as an issue). That doesn't show a flaw (or a fail) in the rule at all. In fact, when it's announced that Dion Mooney is in the 56v, it's immediately obvious to all whose car he has stepped into. When cars are near identical (as they are in some teams) it would be impossible to tell that a driver has changed cars in some instances. Sixth drivers are a fact of life these days too. To half way through suddenly put their number on a car when their car isn't even at the meeting doesn't make a lot of sense to me either. The rule relates to how you turn up to the track. The number goes with the car. Teams/crews have enough to do in the pits between races without worrying about changing numbers. One team had 12 months to change their numbers and couldn't do it. I'd hate to see how they'd cope if they were suddenly given two minutes to do the same thing Barry B
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Post by busterbell on Feb 12, 2015 12:10:38 GMT 12
to be fair, i think you will find nelson have been using sequential numbers the longest of any club. should we ask the panthers to stop using black because it clashes with other teams, or laugh at that idea because that is their thing, and has been for some time.
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Post by Admin on Feb 12, 2015 12:22:20 GMT 12
to be fair, i think you will find nelson have been using sequential numbers the longest of any club. should we ask the panthers to stop using black because it clashes with other teams, or laugh at that idea because that is their thing, and has been for some time. Amazing how far people will go to try and justify something for their team lol. Keep dredging. Try telling a panther he should be any other colour than black. screen shots
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Post by Roxcyford on Feb 12, 2015 12:29:19 GMT 12
Made it easier to tell Wayne (591) from Jordan (581) and bound to be other teams running similar car bodies, within the team. yes it also made it easier for teams racing against them as to know who was who here,s an example 81r damian orr racing with his track number at the new Zealand teams will make him more identifiable and to me he is the king-pin of the rotorua team having a team number on his car in my mind went a long way toward rotorua hosting this event this year as the palmy cars in last years final didn,t have clue as to where he was it,s not about fan friendly its about winning at all cost to bring this event to your back-door :-*p.s so that that club/promotion can reap the rewards this event brings.
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Post by kiatoa on Feb 12, 2015 12:29:43 GMT 12
to be fair, i think you will find nelson have been using sequential numbers the longest of any club. should we ask the panthers to stop using black because it clashes with other teams, or laugh at that idea because that is their thing, and has been for some time. Amazing how far people will go to try and justify something for their team lol. Keep dredging. Try telling a panther he should be any other colour than black. screen shots....uummmmmmm
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Post by busterbell on Feb 12, 2015 12:32:56 GMT 12
the tigers have been sequentialised longer than the panthers have been black.........
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Post by BarryB on Feb 12, 2015 12:41:21 GMT 12
to be fair, i think you will find nelson have been using sequential numbers the longest of any club. should we ask the panthers to stop using black because it clashes with other teams, or laugh at that idea because that is their thing, and has been for some time. I think you might find the Baypark Busters of 1992/93 (111m, 112m, 113m, 114m & 115m) might have beaten them to it busterbell (although they didn't appear at the P/N Teams Champs until 1993/94). I stand to be corrected however, if the Tigers were using them before 1992. Although that's pretty irrelevent to any argument. There's many a rule has changed since Stockcars first appeared on the scene in 1955 and since the Teams Champs was instigated in 1981. Barry B
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Post by percy on Feb 12, 2015 12:43:12 GMT 12
As a punishment I propose the Tigers theme song changes to the Katy Perry classic "Roar"
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