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Post by bookers57 on Feb 13, 2015 12:54:01 GMT 12
If my memory is correct, when Bruce said in last years drivers meetings that for future events the teams drivers must run their own numbers on team bodies, he also added that there would be a 1 seasons grace before this is enforced (not counting last season - 2014). So to me, this means the Tigers used that opportunity and had the right to run their team numbers for this season but must have their own individual numbers from the 2016 event onwards. Just because the other 11 teams chose to run their individual numbers this season doesn't mean the Tigers had to follow suit or should be branded the various names or accusations on here as in reality the Promotor of the event had in a round about way given them permission to use their team numbers.
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Post by BarryB on Feb 13, 2015 13:06:39 GMT 12
If my memory is correct, when Bruce said in last years drivers meetings that for future events the teams drivers must run their own numbers on team bodies, he also added that there would be a 1 seasons grace before this is enforced (not counting last season - 2014). So to me, this means the Tigers used that opportunity and had the right to run their team numbers for this season but must have their own individual numbers from the 2016 event onwards. Just because the other 11 teams chose to run their individual numbers this season doesn't mean the Tigers had to follow suit or should be branded the various names or accusations on here as in reality the Promotor of the event had in a round about way given them permission to use their team numbers. Well if THAT is correct, I guess it's discussion over.............for another 12 months at least. I always attend drivers briefing when I'm there, but have missed the last 2 years. It's the first time I've heard that news mentioned, but if that's factual I withdraw anything detrimental I have said. It certainly wasn't mentioned when I spoke to the promoter last weekend between the two nights, but that does not mean it didn't happen when it first announced 12 months ago. I always thought it meant 12 months to change, meaning teams did not have to change their numbers for the Auckland Teams the month following in 2014 but all be done for Palmy '15, but maybe not? Interesting...... Barry B |
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Post by penman on Feb 13, 2015 13:28:42 GMT 12
So....the 'rule' IS open to interpretation? Which would not make Nelson's sequential numbers "illegal" or even "non-compliant". It would make them subject to Nelson's interpretation. And, whilst I have a feeling you are thinking I am being pedantic and "pushing a barrow", I'm really only responding to the original claim of illegality. Personally, I couldn't give two hoots and a holler whether Nelson runs sequential numbers, random numbers chosen from a hat, or even pictures of vegetables beginning with E (which I would suggest, would DEFINiTELY not meet the promoter's interpretation). It REALLY doesn't bother me at ALL. Using a Katy Perry track as theme music though? THAT would bother me. No, non compliant with the promoter's DEFINITION of his own rules. Penman, as I said in a PM to somebody yesterday who had bombarded me with 10 times as much twisted defensive Nelson-supporter type "logic" as you have; if you really have an issue, take it up with the rule maker himself. I didn't write the rule. It appears, on the surface at least, that only a few fans do have an issue with the new (a return to the old) numbering system, they all support one team, and in part I suggest it's because people have dared criticise their team, on top of the fact they failed to live up to expectatons. Can you name 5 vegetables beginning with E? Barry B And as I said earlier, I don't give a monkey's what Nelson runs on their cars. I haven't ever expressed an issue with the rule as such...but rather with the allegation Nelson was "illegal". I've never tied in my 'expectations' of the team's performance to that of the sequential numbering, other than to suggest it did them no good anyway - but THAT is not the issue I raised. No, I cannot name five vegetables beginning with E...but i think I can possibly name one fruit beginning with B |
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Post by penman on Feb 13, 2015 13:39:36 GMT 12
Using a Katy Perry track as theme music though? THAT would bother me. Wish you guys would stop picking on Katy Perry lol. She started it!  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 13:50:53 GMT 12
Wish you guys would stop picking on Katy Perry lol. She started it! Slightly off topic, but is it wrong I had to google Katy Perry to find out who she was when it was announced she had the Superbowl gig? |
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Post by penman on Feb 13, 2015 13:53:17 GMT 12
She started it! Slightly off topic, but is it wrong I had to google Katy Perry to find out who she was when it was announced she had the Superbowl gig? And is it wrong to ogle her when you google her? |
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Post by Admin on Feb 13, 2015 13:59:45 GMT 12
She started it! Slightly off topic, but is it wrong I had to google Katy Perry to find out who she was when it was announced she had the Superbowl gig? And I always thought you were a knowledgeable man of the world. |
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Post by bookers57 on Feb 13, 2015 14:01:09 GMT 12
Bruce mentioned last year that the teams were all well presented and the level of this is improving every year, before adding that in the future all drivers would be required to run their own numbers with a 1 event grace (2015) as he realised the cost to some teams to make this happen could be high after their efforts in getting new bodies & designs etc for 2014.
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Post by BarryB on Feb 13, 2015 14:03:13 GMT 12
So that being the case, why did Nelson go to the trouble of changing their website I wonder? AND they had flash new paint jobs which now need new numbers on them? Maybe I'll just go listen to Katy Perry roar.........
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 14:07:29 GMT 12
She started it! Slightly off topic, but is it wrong I had to google Katy Perry to find out who she was when it was announced she had the Superbowl gig? Not at all Rammer, won't be long and you'll be consulting google to find you car keys  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 14:11:06 GMT 12
So that being the case, why did Nelson go to the trouble of changing their website I wonder? AND they had flash new paint jobs which now need new numbers on them? Maybe I'll just go listen to Katy Perry roar......... Barry B This might be more beneficial. |
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Post by penman on Feb 13, 2015 14:14:35 GMT 12
So that being the case, why did Nelson go to the trouble of changing their website I wonder? AND they had flash new paint jobs which now need new numbers on them? Maybe I'll just go listen to Katy Perry roar......... Barry B He didn't say that's WHY....he said they had one event's grace, which they obviously used. |
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Post by bookers57 on Feb 13, 2015 14:25:49 GMT 12
So that being the case, why did Nelson go to the trouble of changing their website I wonder? AND they had flash new paint jobs which now need new numbers on them? Maybe I'll just go listen to Katy Perry roar......... Barry B He didn't say that's WHY....he said they had one event's grace, which they obviously used. Sorry Barry I can't answer that as only the Tigers will know why they did this,but must admit the changing of their numbers on the website wasn't really going to go down well in some minds.Especially since technically they were allowed to continue using their team numbers until next year at least. |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 13, 2015 14:30:15 GMT 12
So that being the case, why did Nelson go to the trouble of changing their website I wonder? AND they had flash new paint jobs which now need new numbers on them? Maybe I'll just go listen to Katy Perry roar......... Barry B He didn't say that's WHY....he said they had one event's grace, which they obviously used. That's what we're being told NOW, yes. But that's NOT what I was told when I asked the question of the promotion just last weekend. I'm not sure what the answer is........I'm not even sure what the question is anymore Maybe it all comes down to interpretation, definition, perception, analysis, clarification, explanation, judgement, meaning, perception, translation and all those other good but sometimes ambiguous words.... Barry B |
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Post by bookers57 on Feb 13, 2015 14:55:48 GMT 12
He didn't say that's WHY....he said they had one event's grace, which they obviously used. That's what we're being told NOW, yes. But that's NOT what I was told when I asked the question of the promotion just last weekend. I'm not sure what the answer is........I'm not even sure what the question is anymore Maybe it all comes down to interpretation, definition, perception and all those other good but ambiguous words.... Barry B Think you are right Barry about different questions and answers. After looking at the conditions of entry on the entry form I have here note 7 starts with: All competitors to use their normal racing numbers (contracted track numbers). So guess Nelson felt they needed to change their official racing numbers to meet this criteria and maybe Bruce forgot what he had said at last years drivers meeting. |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 13, 2015 14:57:11 GMT 12
Think you are right Barry about different questions and answers. After looking at the conditions of entry on the entry form I have here note 7 starts with: All competitors to use their normal racing numbers (contracted track numbers). So guess Nelson felt they needed to change their official racing numbers to meet this criteria and maybe Bruce forgot what he had said at last years drivers meeting. That's possible too........ Barry B |
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Post by penman on Feb 13, 2015 17:08:02 GMT 12
He didn't say that's WHY....he said they had one event's grace, which they obviously used. That's what we're being told NOW, yes. But that's NOT what I was told when I asked the question of the promotion just last weekend. I'm not sure what the answer is........I'm not even sure what the question is anymore Maybe it all comes down to interpretation, definition, perception, analysis, clarification, explanation, judgement, meaning, perception, translation and all those other good but sometimes ambiguous words.... Barry B Just to help your aforementioned "close to pension age" memory Barry, THIS was the question (at, least this was the one I was referring to): "How was Nelson allowed to run illegal numbers? (When even the Poms changed their cars during the week after WP)" Oh, and five vegetables that start with E (Eggplant is a fruit, just in case it came to mind - although that may be open to interpretation, definition, perception, analysis, clarification, explanation, judgement, meaning, perception, translation and all those other good but sometimes ambiguous words....) |
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Post by penman on Feb 13, 2015 17:10:44 GMT 12
That's what we're being told NOW, yes. But that's NOT what I was told when I asked the question of the promotion just last weekend. I'm not sure what the answer is........I'm not even sure what the question is anymore Maybe it all comes down to interpretation, definition, perception, analysis, clarification, explanation, judgement, meaning, perception, translation and all those other good but sometimes ambiguous words.... Barry B Just to help your aforementioned "close to pension age" memory Barry, THIS was the question (at, least this was the one I was referring to): "How was Nelson allowed to run illegal numbers? (When even the Poms changed their cars during the week after WP)" Oh, and five vegetables that start with E (Eggplant is a fruit, just in case it came to mind - although that may be open to interpretation, definition, perception, analysis, clarification, explanation, judgement, meaning, perception, translation and all those other good but sometimes ambiguous words....) ....and how many Katy Perry albums Macgor has (that's a NEW question, mind) |
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Post by speedy007 on Feb 16, 2015 19:20:47 GMT 12
Have spoken to a few Tiger's and was told that the bodies were sponsored and sign written back before the season started, and before tiger's management was in negotiation's with PN promotions to allow teams to run team numbers. The driver's believe that they are racing as a team and not as a bunch of individuals, The tiger's have been running 81 to 86 for many many many years and it is a thrill for them to earn the right to run one of these numbers at teams champs, a lot of these young drivers have grown up watching their hero's race under these number's (it is a lot of history to just wipe out because ma and pa kettle get confused) I am disappointed that Barry Brown has taken it upon himself to ridicule the Tiger's who along with other's put their car's and bodies on the line to entertain all of us (I thought you were better than this Barry but I guess you are not). I am very close to some of the Tiger's and I can assure you that there was plenty of the 60 driver's racing in Palmy wished their teams were strong enough to stand upto PN promotions as they also believed they were there to race as a team NOT as individuals. So before you all shoot me to bit's and attack me maybe you should take the time to ask the correct people and then you will obtain the correct answers.
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Post by Admin on Feb 16, 2015 19:41:11 GMT 12
Have spoken to a few Tiger's and was told that the bodies were sponsored and sign written back before the season started, and before tiger's management was in negotiation's with PN promotions to allow teams to run team numbers. The driver's believe that they are racing as a team and not as a bunch of individuals, The tiger's have been running 81 to 86 for many many many years and it is a thrill for them to earn the right to run one of these numbers at teams champs, a lot of these young drivers have grown up watching their hero's race under these number's (it is a lot of history to just wipe out because ma and pa kettle get confused) I am disappointed that Barry Brown has taken it upon himself to ridicule the Tiger's who along with other's put their car's and bodies on the line to entertain all of us (I thought you were better than this Barry but I guess you are not). I am very close to some of the Tiger's and I can assure you that there was plenty of the 60 driver's racing in Palmy wished their teams were strong enough to stand upto PN promotions as they also believed they were there to race as a team NOT as individuals. So before you all shoot me to bit's and attack me maybe you should take the time to ask the correct people and then you will obtain the correct answers. No , what the Tigers showed is a complete lack of empathy for ma, pa and their extended family. They also totally ignored the requirement of the promoter who is trying to present the best possible show to his customers. Putting a drivers number on a Tigers team body should be the ultimate aim , not latching on to a number already there. Years after a Teams meeting people look at the teams/car photos with team numbers and there is nothing to identify who was driving any of the cars. You talk of history , what history when you can't identify anyone? Floss it up how you like , but it don't wash with me. |
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