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Post by bill75 on Feb 11, 2015 9:28:43 GMT 12
Rules. Do they highlight in the book which ones are able to be broken and which ones enforced.
3 minute bell.......I meant 4.......sorry 5 my bad.
Car losing a bonnet.....enforced yes but really! If the answer to the bell was "because its about the event and the spectators" then ask yourself.
Hitting after the chequered flag.....yes this old chestnut again. The two Scotts were lucky they wernt injured as that was hard and after the flag.
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Post by bowee51v on Feb 11, 2015 9:50:49 GMT 12
Rules. Do they highlight in the book which ones are able to be broken and which ones enforced. 3 minute bell.......I meant 4.......sorry 5 my bad. Car losing a bonnet.....enforced yes but really! If the answer to the bell was "because its about the event and the spectators" then ask yourself. Hitting after the chequered flag.....yes this old chestnut again. The two Scotts were lucky they wernt injured as that was hard and after the flag. you need to clarify which scotts you are talking about the bonnet ruling was for driver safety ie fire hazard which i think needs to be addressed as for the 3 4 5 minuite bell that question will be asked as a few of you guys want to know the answer to that as i said before we have 4 other guests on our show which we only get a hour of air time so we will try and ask as many questions as we can the most important ones well be asked not the basic ones they can be answered here by the key board referees
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Post by bill75 on Feb 11, 2015 10:05:41 GMT 12
Mires and Joblin.....taken in hard by Ross. Ross was wobbling on his feet when he got out......then a big wave to the crowd acknowledging his feat....then another wobble. He was grabbed by the St John person as he walked in the gate and i am assuning that is why he didnt come out in the 3rd 4th race. (sorry didnt know this was for the radio show just a general question)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 10:11:52 GMT 12
to throw one out from leftfield re the 3 min bell, gates open/shut/reopen etc, Whilst the pit gate is open it's the COC whos the boss, not the ref. I would imagine it's the COC's decision as to when the pit gate shuts, and it would follow gets opened again. Remember for a 3 min bell the gate has to be shut and the car must have driven out under its own power.
The way I see it the COC, if he chose to, could leave the gate open an extra few mins to allow a car to get mobile, get it on the track, close the gate then its up to the ref.
I seem to remember exactly that happening a few years ago for a Nelson car or maybe two?
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Post by bowee51v on Feb 11, 2015 10:14:42 GMT 12
Mires and Joblin.....taken in hard by Ross. Ross was wobbling on his feet when he got out......then a big wave to the crowd acknowledging his feat....then another wobble. He was grabbed by the St John person as he walked in the gate and i am assuning that is why he didnt come out in the 3rd 4th race. (sorry didnt know this was for the radio show just a general question) sweet mate just trying to cover all the bases because if you make one error on here you are a gone burger the keyboard warriors hunt in packs
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Post by bowee51v on Feb 11, 2015 10:18:08 GMT 12
to throw one out from leftfield re the 3 min bell, gates open/shut/reopen etc, Whilst the pit gate is open it's the COC whos the boss, not the ref. I would imagine it's the COC's decision as to when the pit gate shuts, and it would follow gets opened again. Remember for a 3 min bell the gate has to be shut and the car must have driven out under its own power. The way I see it the COC, if he chose to, could leave the gate open an extra few mins to allow a car to get mobile, get it on the track, close the gate then its up to the ref. I seem to remember exactly that happening a few years ago for a Nelson car or maybe two? yes ram jam im sure it is the clerk of the courses decision but i will put it to the referee
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Post by BarryB on Feb 11, 2015 10:21:47 GMT 12
to throw one out from leftfield re the 3 min bell, gates open/shut/reopen etc, Whilst the pit gate is open it's the COC whos the boss, not the ref. I would imagine it's the COC's decision as to when the pit gate shuts, and it would follow gets opened again. Remember for a 3 min bell the gate has to be shut and the car must have driven out under its own power. The way I see it the COC, if he chose to, could leave the gate open an extra few mins to allow a car to get mobile, get it on the track, close the gate then its up to the ref. I seem to remember exactly that happening a few years ago for a Nelson car or maybe two? I've just spoken to Rod McNaughton about this one, and yes, the Ref was doing the timing and the CoC was in charge of the track/pit gate. They knew the car was coming, so to save time, instead of waiting for it, they shut the gate, did the warm ups and re-opened the gate for 5w. With regards the 3 minutes, the 5w was still on the same 3 minute clock the Rotorua car was on when it had pulled up to the gate and left well within the alloted time. I knew they'd be a good answer........so you can cross that question off my list now!! Barry B
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Post by bowee51v on Feb 11, 2015 10:24:29 GMT 12
to throw one out from leftfield re the 3 min bell, gates open/shut/reopen etc, Whilst the pit gate is open it's the COC whos the boss, not the ref. I would imagine it's the COC's decision as to when the pit gate shuts, and it would follow gets opened again. Remember for a 3 min bell the gate has to be shut and the car must have driven out under its own power. The way I see it the COC, if he chose to, could leave the gate open an extra few mins to allow a car to get mobile, get it on the track, close the gate then its up to the ref. I seem to remember exactly that happening a few years ago for a Nelson car or maybe two? I've just spoken to Rod McNaughton about this one, and yes, the Ref was doing the timing and the CoC was in charge of the track/pit gate. They knew the car was coming, so to save time, instead of waiting for it, they shut the gate, did the warm ups and re-opened the gate for 5w. With regards the 3 minutes, the 5w was still on the same 3 minute clock the Rotorua car was on when it had pulled up to the gate and left well within the alloted time. I knew they'd be a good answer........so you can cross that question off my list now!! Barry B thanks Barry one less question to ask Ross
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 10:29:41 GMT 12
Thanks Barry.I can imagine how exactly that happened.
Slightly off topic but I wonder if all these ppl who would hang 'em high for every little minor infraction and things that don't look right to them would be happy seeing farcical things like what happpened at the US F1GP at Indy one year when only 6 cars took the green flag?
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Post by steelpanther on Feb 11, 2015 10:30:02 GMT 12
I support what happened in this instance. Think how hard the crews work between races especially moreso at teams where damage is likely to be greater than a usual meeting. I know there has to be a cut off time but if it takes a car 3 mins 30 seconds then I'd rather have that than it being pulled. Rules are rules I know but the punters want to see 4 v 4.....IMHO this was a good result in this instance.
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Post by BarryB on Feb 11, 2015 10:48:54 GMT 12
Here's my questions, all from Night 1 (on a night that overall went pretty well and was devoid of any major controversies); 1; The two 3 minute bells in Wellington's second race, when the gate was re-opened after warmups to allow 5w Keegan Levein out onto the track (which I didn't think was allowed, that is point 1), THEN, as point 2, once on track they allowed him a 3 minute bell after they'd already had one for the opposing team. One 3 minute bell per race? How did this happen? 2; Why isn't the 3 minute bell displayed on the big screen? Not really a question Ross can answer, but the first one seemed extremely long, and as much as we like to see cars on the track the officials need to be SEEN to be fair. Would Ross have an issue with the timing viewable to all? 3; Why did they red light the race for Dale Roberston and (I think it was) Paul Vazey? They were hooked up sure, but way off the racing line half way down the straight. Then they stuffed around letting the top car try and remove himself while Robertson did nothing. Then they brought in the tow truck to lift the top car off. Then they sent the truck away and let Robertson remove himself from underneath and THEN both cars were allowed to continue. The whole chapter seemed a little farcical.... 4; Another red light in Wanganui's second race, with a Rotorua car on the bonnet of a Wanganui car out by the wall. Sure, they were on the racing line but weren't the only two other cars mobile at the time both from Wanganui? The chances of anybody collecting them were pretty remote with no actual competition going on, and unnecessary red lights certainly break up the flow of the night for those trackside and the growing band of live streamers. Barry B 1; Has been officially answered 2; I still want the clock on the big screen haha 3; The cause of the red light was the referee, for saftey reasons (to do a roll cage check) thus both cars were allowed to continue once parted. The tow truck coming in then leaving again was a bit of a communication breakdwn between upstairs and the infield. 4; Don't know the answer to this one. Maybe there was another opposition car mobile somewhere too? Barry B
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Post by BarryB on Feb 11, 2015 10:52:03 GMT 12
Thanks Barry.I can imagine how exactly that happened. Slightly off topic but I wonder if all these ppl who would hang 'em high for every little minor infraction and things that don't look right to them would be happy seeing farcical things like what happpened at the US F1GP at Indy one year when only 6 cars took the green flag? I've spoken to Rod about spending the weekend up top with those guys next year, with a microphone to transmit all info, so I'll talk to Bruce and hopefully we can do something in 2016. Macgor's would be a much quieter place afterwards however!! Barry B
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Post by screaminV8 on Feb 11, 2015 11:16:10 GMT 12
Question: If a car is immobile on the track, and the entire field has gone past it, ie they all know it's there after that, why isn't the race allowed to continue? (Assuming of course 1/ there isn't a thumbs down, and 2/ it isn't in a specifically dangerous spot ie turn 1 or 3 wall). a you talking teams or just racing in general i guess being immobilized any where on the track is unsafe especially if you have a big field coming round the chances of another car being pushed into you would be high and safety comes first you cant compromise safety No, talking about Teams. My point is the first time the 7 other cars go past is when its REALLY dangerous, because they may not have spotted its there. From then on the chances of it getting hit are a whole lot less. I remember Pacman Pete Moseley told me once he only used to worry (but only a little bit!)for the first lap when stranded, and after that was not a problem.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 11:37:59 GMT 12
Thanks Barry.I can imagine how exactly that happened. Slightly off topic but I wonder if all these ppl who would hang 'em high for every little minor infraction and things that don't look right to them would be happy seeing farcical things like what happpened at the US F1GP at Indy one year when only 6 cars took the green flag? I've spoken to Rod about spending the weekend up top with those guys next year, with a microphone to transmit all info, so I'll talk to Bruce and hopefully we can do something in 2016. Macgor's would be a much quieter place afterwards however!! Barry B I actually did that a few years ago (tho with pen & paper) with a view to a dirt track mag story about it, which I thought might have been goodand opened a few eyes, but a combo of getting crook, all my notes going thru the washing machine and a hard drive having a critical (read fatal) failure when it was 3/4 finished all meant it never got finished.
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Post by bowee51v on Feb 11, 2015 13:03:30 GMT 12
Mires and Joblin.....taken in hard by Ross. Ross was wobbling on his feet when he got out......then a big wave to the crowd acknowledging his feat....then another wobble. He was grabbed by the St John person as he walked in the gate and i am assuning that is why he didnt come out in the 3rd 4th race. (sorry didnt know this was for the radio show just a general question) from what i can gather the driver who hit the joblin and miers cars after the flag was fined 2oo dollars and excluded from the meeting
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Post by Admin on Feb 11, 2015 13:13:44 GMT 12
I've just spoken to Rod McNaughton about this one, and yes, the Ref was doing the timing and the CoC was in charge of the track/pit gate. They knew the car was coming, so to save time, instead of waiting for it, they shut the gate, did the warm ups and re-opened the gate for 5w. With regards the 3 minutes, the 5w was still on the same 3 minute clock the Rotorua car was on when it had pulled up to the gate and left well within the alloted time. I knew they'd be a good answer........so you can cross that question off my list now!! Barry B Sorry , I should have sorted that one out yesterday but I got distracted. I guess as the COC belongs to the promotion that means we can have a variation from track to track. The Ref is in control from when the COC advises him the track is clear and ready for racing. Warm up laps happen before the Ref takes control.
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Post by bill75 on Feb 11, 2015 14:00:20 GMT 12
Mires and Joblin.....taken in hard by Ross. Ross was wobbling on his feet when he got out......then a big wave to the crowd acknowledging his feat....then another wobble. He was grabbed by the St John person as he walked in the gate and i am assuning that is why he didnt come out in the 3rd 4th race. (sorry didnt know this was for the radio show just a general question) from what i can gather the driver who hit the joblin and miers cars after the flag was fined 2oo dollars and excluded from the meeting Thanks for that....question 3 is answered :-)
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Post by bowee51v on Feb 11, 2015 14:16:52 GMT 12
from what i can gather the driver who hit the joblin and miers cars after the flag was fined 2oo dollars and excluded from the meeting Thanks for that....question 3 is answered :-) further on this tread question 1 is also answered and question 2 if you lose your bonnet its a automatic infield its a safety precaution for driver re fire
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Post by bowee51v on Feb 11, 2015 16:53:08 GMT 12
We have done the interviews and got most of the questions answered by senior referee Ross Thurston you can listen to the show online at www.accessmanawatu.co.nz Thursday 12th February 7pm or replay Sunday from 7pm
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 11:15:02 GMT 12
First of all thank you for getting Ross Thurston on, it would be good to keep the flow going in regards to interviewing more decision makers, SNZ etc.
But please, please, show a bit more respect to people who post on this board and social media whether you like what they have to say or not. I found it disrespectful and downright rude the number of times you referred to fans who have an opinion as "keyboard warriors" and "grandstand referees". We are passionate fans who give a darn about our sport, and our teams.
A little more professionaism and respect for the sports fans would be appreciated.
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