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Post by lorryathuntly on Feb 28, 2015 21:33:23 GMT 12
You guys are going to be left with very few options soon other than going there and watching it yourself. Rotorua is plagued with streaming troubles, speedbox got it right sometimes but other times not. If your not happy with it and ask for a refund thats fine but don't complain when there is no streaming service and you can't watch anything. I want to make it very clear YOU ARE ALLOWED TO BE DISSAPOINTED, you paid for a service that didn't deliver, but being rude isn't going to fix the problem for anyone and if you piss of the broadcaster then they can just take their equipment elsewhere and you can miss out all together. Maybe time for the Rotorua Stockcar club to get a modern internet/fibre connection so this service will be gone for ever . |
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Post by Dirt_Fan on Feb 28, 2015 21:33:39 GMT 12
You guys are going to be left with very few options soon other than going there and watching it yourself. Rotorua is plagued with streaming troubles, speedbox got it right sometimes but other times not. If your not happy with it and ask for a refund thats fine but don't complain when there is no streaming service and you can't watch anything. I want to make it very clear YOU ARE ALLOWED TO BE DISSAPOINTED, you paid for a service that didn't deliver, but being rude isn't going to fix the problem for anyone and if you piss of the broadcaster then they can just take their equipment elsewhere and you can miss out all together. Maybe time for the Rotorua Stockcar club to get a modern internet/fibre connection so this need for satellite service will be gone for ever . Then maybe the STM . can do his job as he does elsewhere' I don't think internet is going to be a priority for a speedway track that wants bums on seats vs empty seats and people watching from home. |
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Post by m8sr8z on Feb 28, 2015 21:37:31 GMT 12
You guys are going to be left with very few options soon other than going there and watching it yourself. Rotorua is plagued with streaming troubles, speedbox got it right sometimes but other times not. If your not happy with it and ask for a refund thats fine but don't complain when there is no streaming service and you can't watch anything. I want to make it very clear YOU ARE ALLOWED TO BE DISSAPOINTED, you paid for a service that didn't deliver, but being rude isn't going to fix the problem for anyone and if you piss of the broadcaster then they can just take their equipment elsewhere and you can miss out all together. Maybe time for the Rotorua Stockcar club to get a modern internet/fibre connection so this need for satellite service will be gone for ever . Then maybe the STM . can do his job as he does elsewhere' All I'm going to say is where ever filming is taking place, we need STM. He knows the sport and knows where to point the camera at the right time. Others like at Superstock teams missed most of the hits even though u could clearly see a hit coming on. |
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Post by Dirt_Fan on Feb 28, 2015 21:41:11 GMT 12
Maybe time for the Rotorua Stockcar club to get a modern internet/fibre connection so this need for satellite service will be gone for ever . Then maybe the STM . can do his job as he does elsewhere' All I'm going to say is where ever filming is taking place, we need STM. He knows the sport and knows where to point the camera at the right time. Others like at Superstock teams missed most of the hits even though u could clearly see a hit coming on. Thats the annoying thing, at teams champs people were praising him camera work and the streaming (news flash guys, some of the gear was probably steves that he used tonight) but now (on facebook at least, starting to understand why drivers hate it,lol) people are going feral at him. |
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Post by lorryathuntly on Feb 28, 2015 22:03:32 GMT 12
speedbox and it overseas connections are the poison.
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Post by bru68 on Feb 28, 2015 22:06:22 GMT 12
due to the lack of communication and deleting of my post on stm,i have contacted my bank to refund my credit card of payment for bad stream
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Post by m8sr8z on Feb 28, 2015 22:17:42 GMT 12
due to the lack of communication and deleting of my post on stm,i have contacted my bank to refund my credit card of payment for bad stream I'm sure your bank can't. Speedbox can. If they took money from you without asking the bank can get it back. So email the Speedbox team tomorrow and ask. |
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Post by Admin on Feb 28, 2015 22:29:29 GMT 12
All I'm going to say is where ever filming is taking place, we need STM. He knows the sport and knows where to point the camera at the right time. Others like at Superstock teams missed most of the hits even though u could clearly see a hit coming on. Thats the annoying thing, at teams champs people were praising him camera work and the streaming (news flash guys, some of the gear was probably steves that he used tonight) but now (on facebook at least, starting to understand why drivers hate it,lol) people are going feral at him. Palmy stream all their meetings quite successfully under their own steam. |
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Post by samt123 on Feb 28, 2015 22:40:47 GMT 12
Just to point out Superstock Teams 2015 - Palmy Company that looked after the stream was VideoHub equipment/ Crew was VideoHub but STM was hired in as a camera operator down on the pit gate and that was all. He did being his truck and some toys but they did not get used for other reasons. So STM and MMP just helped with a camera and operator for this event Stockcar Teams 2015 - Rotorua company that looked after the stream was MMP and Speedbox Equipment was brought in by MMP/ Speedbox Els was brought in by SpeedwayLive Crew mostly from MMP Now the streaming company is Full Flavour For both events and most events streamed by Videohub and MMP Are done via this company based in Tauranga. Word on the street is: Internet traffic is crazy from 8pm - 10pm In result stream buffering, stream freezing etc etc I've notcied this before as its around when most complaints happen... If you look at last nights post around the same time Look at previous events even with videohub it happens.. So a way to fix it is to stop people using the Internet around them times throughout nz and possibly the world and it'll work ok  Just my 2cents Ps re stream will be up tomorrow morning at 11 and that's both Friday and Saturday |
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Post by 38racer on Feb 28, 2015 22:50:33 GMT 12
Just to point out Superstock Teams 2015 - Palmy Company that looked after the stream was VideoHub equipment/ Crew was VideoHub but STM was hired in as a camera operator down on the pit gate and that was all. He did being his truck and some toys but they did not get used for other reasons. So STM and MMP just helped with a camera and operator for this event Stockcar Teams 2015 - Rotorua company that looked after the stream was MMP and Speedbox Equipment was brought in by MMP/ Speedbox Els was brought in by SpeedwayLive Crew mostly from MMP Now the streaming company is Full Flavour For both events and most events streamed by Videohub and MMP Are done via this company based in Tauranga. Word on the street is: Internet traffic is crazy from 8pm - 10pm In result stream buffering, stream freezing etc etc I've notcied this before as its around when most complaints happen... If you look at last nights post around the same time Look at previous events even with videohub it happens.. So a way to fix it is to stop people using the Internet around them times throughout nz and possibly the world and it'll work ok Just my 2cents Ps re stream will be up tomorrow morning at 11 and that's both Friday and Saturday Thanks for the details of the early part of your post but to use the excuse that the high use of Internet between certain times as the reason for the poor stream is a bit on the chin. We paid for live coverage not delayed footage. |
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Post by mattd on Mar 1, 2015 6:36:48 GMT 12
They were probably sooking and posting abuse and acting like typical entitled children on the internet instead of posting something constructive. Feed worked wine for me all night apart from that one Gisborne race where it seemed it dropped out for everyone.
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Post by 95c on Mar 1, 2015 7:19:58 GMT 12
you are kidding mattd was playing up all night,
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Post by beachboy on Mar 1, 2015 10:05:12 GMT 12
It's not even remotely close to "aim at the sky for a signal". If you don't have the dish pointing at the right point in the sky, all its going to so is collect rain water when its raining. Even a few milometers can make a big difference. I wonder how many people ring and abuse or send abusive e-mails to SKY TV when they get rain fade?lol if there was rain there would have been no racing dahhh  |
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Post by babylon567 on Mar 1, 2015 13:11:04 GMT 12
They were probably sooking and posting abuse and acting like typical entitled children on the internet instead of posting something constructive. Feed worked wine for me all night apart from that one Gisborne race where it seemed it dropped out for everyone. i would of agreed with you except it was the positive stuff written too that went south, if they can't supply a product it would wise not to do as it only goes up in smoke when things go wrong as we can see by the comments going on unfortunately you are only remembered for your last performance. better luck next time for STM productions Rotorua may have to wait till they get fibre to broadcast from that track which is sad as they have a set up 2nd to none maybe sonia can convince chorus to lay the cable into the valley. |
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Post by Devilracer on Mar 1, 2015 13:26:39 GMT 12
After speaking with STM after the meeting last night, with all the abuse that has gone on. Dont be surprised if the spells the end of MMP. He has invested over $1M in equipment. The fault has come from the provider that he paid a premium price to for a priority connection. It was discovered on the Sat that this was NOT the case and there was work done to help improve the service.
I for one wouldnt like to see Steve shut up shop with what he does but on the other hand, All those pregnant doging and moaning, GROW UP. If you cant get to a meeting, you miss out. SIMPLE.
The Rotorua club wont be investing in fibre cables anytime soon, there are other things that are way more important.
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Post by sonjahickey on Mar 1, 2015 13:29:40 GMT 12
There is no broadband around the Valley and there isn't going to be in the foreseeable future. There has been a lot of lobbying done from people who live there to no avail. There is a group that are currently trying to sort a transmitter or something similar but if that does go ahead l am not sure it will reach us.
When Steve approached us about giving live streaming a go out of the valley we jumped at the opportunity, grateful that somebody else was prepared to give it a try. Thanks to all the crap that is going down l doubt it will be attempted again by anybody for a very long time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2015 13:47:06 GMT 12
Typical keyboard warriors at it again. I would hate to see Steve shut up shop because of all this crap. He does an outstanding job and after working woth him a couple times in commentary I know he puts his all into everything he does and has huge passion for his company and What he provides. It's really disappointing going through facebook and macgors to see such crap being written about someone who has poured money into bringing soeedway to those who cannot make it to the track. And it happens everytime there's a slight issue. But now that all this has happened and if Steve does end up shutting shop. I can Guarantee that everyone will then just jump straight back on here and pregnant dog and moan that there's no live stream. As I say I will stick by STM and MMP they do an awesome job and I think Steve is an awesome ambassador for our sport.
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Post by Admin on Mar 1, 2015 14:14:04 GMT 12
After speaking with STM after the meeting last night, with all the abuse that has gone on. Dont be surprised if the spells the end of MMP. He has invested over $1M in equipment. The fault has come from the provider that he paid a premium price to for a priority connection. It was discovered on the Sat that this was NOT the case and there was work done to help improve the service. I for one wouldnt like to see Steve shut up shop with what he does but on the other hand, All those pregnant doging and moaning, GROW UP. If you cant get to a meeting, you miss out. SIMPLE. The Rotorua club wont be investing in fibre cables anytime soon, there are other things that are way more important. Sorry but the realities are if you sell a service and for what ever reason you don't deliver then you do have to carry the can for the failure whether it be directly your fault or not. Having said that I feel for Steve, his ambition and enthusiasm for what he does is second to none. I saw some of the facebook posts and if they had been on here I would of removed them too, there is no need for abuse at any time. We all know they tried to make it work and I for one hoped it would. Speedbox in the past have managed some pretty good streams out of Rotorua. The fullflavour streaming service they used is a quality outfit that VideoHub also use for their Palmy feeds that are so good these days and there are few that have problems using it. That side of it is second to none and a big step up in this country. That meant a high likelihood the problem was with the upload and Steve has confirmed that. Not his fault directly but certainly by implication. Telling people to stop groaning when they've parted with hard earned money and not received the product they've paid for isn't likely to achieve a danged thing in fact it just plain silly and arrogant to boot. If you're keen on parting with hard cash for not much at all then I just might have some deals for you. I hoping Steve sticks with it , he probably needs a day or two of time out to regroup. Live streaming of speedway is part of it's future, it doesn't take bums off seats as proved by this past weekend and the Palmy teams. It has to be done right though or best not do it at all. |
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Post by Admin on Mar 1, 2015 14:34:18 GMT 12
Typical keyboard warriors at it again. I would hate to see Steve shut up shop because of all this crap. He does an outstanding job and after working woth him a couple times in commentary I know he puts his all into everything he does and has huge passion for his company and What he provides. It's really disappointing going through facebook and macgors to see such crap being written about someone who has poured money into bringing soeedway to those who cannot make it to the track. And it happens everytime there's a slight issue. But now that all this has happened and if Steve does end up shutting shop. I can Guarantee that everyone will then just jump straight back on here and pregnant dog and moan that there's no live stream. As I say I will stick by STM and MMP they do an awesome job and I think Steve is an awesome ambassador for our sport. The complaints in this thread relate to the failed stream this weekend Hayden , it's not an attack on Steve and all the other things he does in speedway. I feel your post is suggesting it is and that's simply not correct. I see any personal attack on Steve here or any 'crap' about him. How many Speedway streams has MMP produced?, I didn't think it was many but I could easily be wrong. Steve works the social media thing on facebook and gains from it. He also needs to expect a backfire or two along the way. It's all part of the social media deal and sadly there is no moderation on facebook. |
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Post by gray40 on Mar 1, 2015 15:47:21 GMT 12
It's a real shame that the stream was unable to be delivered to the standard that the provider was hoping to deliver. I am sure that Steve knew there would be some risk involved with trying to provide a couple of action filled nights of racing with the limitations of not having a cable to pipe the stream to us. However ... With risk there can be reward and ..... unfourtanly the risk failed and I would would think that the reward isn't too great at the moment. I admire Steve for risking his reputation by taking this risk, but he does have to take it on the chin. I know he will learn from it.
My beef is not the fact that the stream was ... Not the best, but that after Friday night we were assured that it would be far superior the following night.
It boils down to taking money to provide a product that in this case didn't meet the standard.
I for one would support the steam again .... if I was made awear of the risk.
I am sure that the last thing any provider of goods and services wants is a thread like this and I'm sure that MMP had the best intentions.
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