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Post by Admin on Mar 2, 2015 14:43:59 GMT 12
I've just had a bit of a debrief with Rod McNaughton and he would like me to convey that he is somewhat disappointed in himself that he never got to address all the indiscretions that happened especially on finals night.
With so much happening and so many teams races to get through he had to set the bar fairly high as to when he would intervene or else we all would quite likely have been still there the next day. He did address the major offences thoroughly though and as we all saw he took the time to make sure the correct important decisions were made.
The decision to take the win off the Canterbury team was one of the hardest and longest to make but the evidence spoke for itself so the ruling was made.
Many other instances of offending were dealt with by way of warnings or fines, I think he said $200 in at least one case and others of lesser value but as he said he still had a list of things to sort out when the meeting was well and truly over. Mostly very minor stuff though. His disappointment came from not getting to deal to the complete list.
I also quizzed him about the concerns some raised on here about the Ref being influenced by comments over the public address system, he is adamant he doesn't hear any of what is said over the P.A. and he doesn't want to either.
To all those who expected more from him on the night he says sorry, he knows people saw some things happen that should have been addressed but in some cases if they hadn't affected the outcome of the race they were added to the list to deal with when time allowed.
Refereeing a meeting such as a teams champs with 14 teams is obviously no easy task , I think we should be grateful we have someone of Rod's integrity, skill and sense of fairness doing his best to keep things on an even keel. I don't think Rod has anything to be sorry for.
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Post by BarryB on Mar 2, 2015 15:05:50 GMT 12
As somebody that has known Rod for a long time (yes, we are BOTH old!!), and as somebody that was loitering around waiting for an official outcome and result based on those discussions, let me say he looked absolutely shattered to have had to make the decision. I spoke to him within seconds of the ChCh team delegates being informed, and told him I thought it was a just decision. I was then asked to not make the decision public until the manager had had a chance to advise the other team members. But you could see how much he hated having to make it. In drivers briefing Rod always tells the drivers to sort it out on the track, so he doesn't have to sort it out in the room. His integrity is certainly NOT in question. It's tough with thousands of referees adjudicating from the hills as well!!
Barry B
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Post by steelpanther on Mar 2, 2015 15:12:05 GMT 12
Couldn't agree more with you Barry and Magor. Who'd be a referee aye. I was at both nights and feel the only blemish was not withdrawing the C car during the race after Dale had been pulled earlier. Had this been done then the result would have been left to be sorted on the track. I don't envy Rod's job one little bit but he is the best. I hope he's at Wacky Park this weekend.
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Post by Admin on Mar 2, 2015 15:28:28 GMT 12
Couldn't agree more with you Barry and Magor. Who'd be a referee aye. I was at both nights and feel the only blemish was not withdrawing the C car during the race after Dale had been pulled earlier. Had this been done then the result would have been left to be sorted on the track. I don't envy Rod's job one little bit but he is the best. I hope he's at Wacky Park this weekend. To rule on it you've got to see it. Your hope will be realised for Auckland . Just imagine jumping from the chaos of this past weekend and into another strain of stresses next weekend. Rather him than me. |
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Post by sonic33 on Mar 2, 2015 15:37:34 GMT 12
Agree Rod does an awesome non biased job of officiating.
I believe you can't protest a teams race result but you can appeal. Not totally sure there is a big difference.
Can someone confirm or deny the following:
Wellington cut pole line for an attack, and the refs pulled the car off.
CHCH car cut the pole for a hit, and the refs took no action.
At the end of the race Wellington appeal the result ( difference between appeal and protest please? )
Refs decide they have made an error and reverse the result.
Wellington got pulled, but could still race. CHCH didn't know of the issue until after the race and therefore can't address on the track.
Once a refereeing call has been made it must be hard to go back!
Everybody still thinks of Wayne Barnes blunder.
I think the chch should have kept their win.
On a side note it wasn't the only time wellington cut the pole on finals night.
CHCH you were hard done by. Great attitude with the post race interview.
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Post by Wildcat on Mar 2, 2015 15:57:55 GMT 12
Christchurch v Huntly turn 3 Kyle Lane cuts pole line last lap Takes out the Huntly leader goes on to win mmmmmm
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Post by boner87 on Mar 2, 2015 16:53:22 GMT 12
Takes some nuts to "publicly" come out and say what rod has said. I am pretty sure that he does a top job but maybe rules need to be made better so his job is easier and more black and white.
Appeal is against a refs decision whereas protest is issue a complaint about something that has happened or results I think youll find
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Post by Wingnut99 on Mar 2, 2015 18:02:57 GMT 12
Agree Rod does an awesome non biased job of officiating. I believe you can't protest a teams race result but you can appeal. Not totally sure there is a big difference. At the end of the race Wellington appeal the result ( difference between appeal and protest please? ) An appeal is to the Board Executive in writing plus the fee, the Appeal is adjudicated on by an Appeal Panel at a time and date some time well after the event. A protest goes before a protest committee on the night The latter is not permitted at teams racing. |
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Post by mcfly on Mar 2, 2015 18:50:59 GMT 12
Agree Rod does an awesome non biased job of officiating. I believe you can't protest a teams race result but you can appeal. Not totally sure there is a big difference. At the end of the race Wellington appeal the result ( difference between appeal and protest please? ) An appeal is to the Board Executive in writing plus the fee, the Appeal is adjudicated on by an Appeal Panel at a time and date some time well after the event. A protest goes before a protest committee on the night The latter is not permitted at teams racing. If that is the case, then what happened at the weekend? Several decisions were altered due to appeal protest input from managers? |
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Post by scraggy on Mar 2, 2015 20:15:57 GMT 12
Well said Rod, the other statement made about dealing with what you can see is spot on. My own opinion - in this case perhaps Rod should of been flanked by more senior officials to assist with his workload and dealing with team managers, do feel for the guy.
There are nights when ya feel like just sitting in the crowd.
Anyone visiting Gisborne that's wants to spend some time with the refs on a busy night give us a shout you are more than welcome, contrary to views we aren't monsters ... Lol
Chin up Rod, you done bloody well with what was thrown at you
Cheers Karl Scragg
Senior Ref - Gisborne
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Post by stockyracer on Mar 2, 2015 20:29:32 GMT 12
IMHO i thought the refs comitee for this event lost the plot big time in the lst 1 1/2 to 2 hours of this meeting. obviously all the big issues have been covered but here is one example that hasnt been mentioned that i seen, in the rotorua vs crushers race for 3rd and 4th the lights went red, while the lights were still red a rotorua car moved FORWARD 20-30 meters arond exit of turn 4. the on track official moved it back a meter and all was good. how could this happen.
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Post by scraggy on Mar 2, 2015 20:36:59 GMT 12
Agree Rod does an awesome non biased job of officiating. I believe you can't protest a teams race result but you can appeal. Not totally sure there is a big difference. At the end of the race Wellington appeal the result ( difference between appeal and protest please? ) An appeal is to the Board Executive in writing plus the fee, the Appeal is adjudicated on by an Appeal Panel at a time and date some time well after the event. A protest goes before a protest committee on the night The latter is not permitted at teams racing. Extract from the rule book, quite ironic really if you can't protest a teams result how do you appeal ? Appeals M7-10-1 Every SNZ member affected by a decision given under these rules has the right of appeal to the Appeal Committee of SNZ. Appeal Criteria M7-10-2 To lodge an appeal against a racing incident, a competitor must have lodged an official protest within the given time limit allowed. |
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Post by BarryB on Mar 2, 2015 20:49:57 GMT 12
Without looking, I'm guessing since teams racing runs under the Code of Ethics the difference may lay there?
Barry B
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Post by stockman on Mar 4, 2015 6:55:41 GMT 12
Christchurch v Huntly turn 3 Kyle Lane cuts pole line last lap Takes out the Huntly leader goes on to win mmmmmm If you watch the footage the huntly car cut the poleline. Not by much but more than lane. Last lap and he seeked safety of the grass. It was a fair hit then. |
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