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Post by percy on Apr 21, 2015 19:29:22 GMT 12
These remits are accessible via the speedwaynz website www.speedway.co.nz/The remits propose a rotation style system for title allocations. The proposal has clearly had many hours of work put behind it. An interesting way to look at it is to view the back of the SNZ document where it lists by track what titles they could expect to run. This is a very important remit so I hope to see plenty of discussion on the merits of this proposal. |
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Post by BarryB on Apr 22, 2015 9:07:09 GMT 12
It's an interesting one for sure Percy. Barring starting with a clean slate - which could/would look very good going forward but would have to be extremely unfair on some clubs in the short term, meaning it would never get off the ground and for very good reasons - so a lot of historical data going back 40 years has been used on what is being presented in just over seven weeks time.
Speedway had championship "rotation" for many years in the past, however voting year by year still took place with whose "turn" it was strongly taken into account in most cases.
Then rotation was ditched, theoretically, but most people seeking to host the NZ titles still referred to "our turn" and "rotation" in their presentations, and many titles still went the expected way - not all, but somewhere between "many" and "most" - so we've ALWAYS had "rotation" of sorts.
Then the 2014 SNZ AGM happened........and this remit is the outcome of the membership's directive to the SNZ Promo Team at that 2014 AGM.
The 2015/16 season is already locked and loaded (and available elsewhere on this Board), so what this remit looks at is the 20 years after that, from 2016/17 to 2035/36, with the first 5 years locked in (should the remit be passed by the members) and the next 15 years as "information only" at this stage. The reason for that is that tracks will drop in and out of eligibility over time, so it will require a revamp every few years obviously.
The remit takes away a lot of the current uncertainty (and animosity at times) over where titles are going to be held. As it is now, we know approximately 18 months in advance. This remit stretches that out another 4 years, to 5 1/2 years. And, if passed, any revamp of the 5 years from 2021/22 to 2025/26 would likely be available in about 3 years, meaning clubs could be working ahead with certainly for as much as 7 1/2 years (as well as the draft covering up to 20 years into the future). That's a lot of certainty, for clubs, competitors AND fans, and allows for a lot more forward planning by ALL parties, particularly when it comes to spending on facilities, race cars, flights/ferries and accomodation.
Also, almost all of the GP's are situated geographically in the same region (eg Gisborne & Meeanee, Riverside & Dunedin, Waikaraka Park & Huntly) as the New Zealand title for most classes (not always possible when only a small number of tracks contract a class obviously), so the clubs can work together on dates and hopefully make both championships viable for the three above mentioned parties; the clubs, the competitors AND the fans. For those drivers and fans travelling long distances, especially from the other Island to where any title is being held, getting in two major SNZ titles while away from home has to be a plus. If the GP is not at a neighbouring track (once again, not always possible when giving everybody equal shots at what they are eligible for), it's at one close to the ferry ride home (the likes of Wellington, Blenheim & Nelson).
And then, in many cases also, the Island title is staged in a different region to both the NZ's and the GP, so no one area gets all three major championships in any one season (for example, NZ's at WP, GP at Huntly and NI's at Wanganui, or NZ's at Riverside, GP at Dunedin and SI's at Blenheim).
Shame you're having to miss this one Percy. Slumming it in the States while the AGM is held.........
Barry B
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Post by knownotmuch on Apr 22, 2015 13:57:40 GMT 12
There does seem to be positives in this idea, not only will tracks be able to plan years ahead for major championships but competitors looking to change classes can factor into their decision, what championships they are likely to be able to run at their home track. For example a Ministock competitor at Greymouth can now look many years ahead and see that the track has a number of Modified titles so is therefore more likely to spend the money getting into the class knowing that, even if they will have very little travel budget, they can still compete in SNZ titles.
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Post by SpeedwayLive on Apr 22, 2015 16:49:02 GMT 12
If a track was to grow a class that it currently is unable to host a NZ Title, and became eligible to host that Title,
How would this effect the rotation?
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Post by BarryB on Apr 22, 2015 17:56:50 GMT 12
The way I read it, the situation would be reviewed every 5 years and as tracks become eligible for certain classes and ineligible for others, they would be inserted in and dropped out. The proposal (remit) only seeks to lock in the first 5 of 20 years. There are a number of tracks that have never staged the NZ Stockcars or NZ Saloons that have been inserted into the proposed rotation model, and for new situations that would take place as part of each future review. It's pretty unlikely a newly eligible track would get an NZ title inside of 5 years under the current system anyway I suspect, so it won't really be much different to now (once again, the way I read it).
Barry B
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Post by broardside on Apr 22, 2015 19:26:01 GMT 12
The way i see it is the next five years Te Marua will not have one NZ, GP or NI allocation in Stockcars so as i am a Bumper class fan so i guess i will have to go elsewhere.
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Post by BarryB on Apr 22, 2015 21:55:56 GMT 12
The Stockcar cycle is very big, 15 years for the NZ's and 16 years for the GP.
Barry B
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Post by ABPhotography on Apr 22, 2015 22:23:23 GMT 12
yes the stockcar cycle is big the last time meeanee had the nz title was back in 2006 we will not get it again until 20/21 season from what i have read on the remit
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Post by tank11 on Apr 22, 2015 22:37:47 GMT 12
yes the stockcar cycle is big the last time meeanee had the nz title was back in 2006 we will not get it again until 20/21 season from what i have read on the remit The more in the circle the bigger the circle. |
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Post by BarryB on Apr 23, 2015 11:00:46 GMT 12
Wouldn't the diameter of the outer circle be determined, not only be the number of inner circles, but their individual diameters also?
Barry B
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Post by midway on Apr 23, 2015 12:14:40 GMT 12
The circus of circles by Barry Brown  |
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Post by brettgrace on Apr 23, 2015 16:24:42 GMT 12
How does any of this directly benefit the competitors?
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Post by BarryB on Apr 23, 2015 16:33:51 GMT 12
Certainty is a big thing I think. Knowing where they're going further in advance may be one advantage, as will having the GP run in the same region each season I imagine, more so for the long distance travellers obviously. Clubs knowing further out what they've got, and when they've got it, might be able to do a better job of things as well, such as attract better sponsorship and pay better prizemoney. It could also be of benefit to potential competitors in some classes at certain tracks. For some competitors in some classes from some tracks it quite likely won't make any difference at all, but to others it may make a huge amount of difference to how they invest in their future. One thing though, looking through it Brett, it's aimed at not only the clubs and competitors but the fans as well. Neither party can do without the other two.
Barry B
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 17:32:12 GMT 12
yes the stockcar cycle is big the last time meeanee had the nz title was back in 2006 we will not get it again until 20/21 season from what i have read on the remit The more in the circle the bigger the circle. Do we have too many eligible tracks? If its going to be 15 years...almost two decades, then I'd firmly back the championship being spread over several rounds and tracks. |
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Post by BarryB on Apr 23, 2015 17:58:30 GMT 12
Eligibility continues to change Richard, and each time it goes up tracks have to make improvements to comply. That is good for us all. No doubt it will change again in the future, and here and there some tracks will drop by the wayside as far as NZ titles go whilst retaining the ability to host GP's and Island titles. There's actually a 16th track ultra close to joining the Stockcar party as well.......
As far as your second point goes, that would take a remit from somebody to even have it enter discussions.......
Barry B
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Post by tank11 on Apr 23, 2015 18:16:05 GMT 12
The more in the circle the bigger the circle. Do we have too many eligible tracks? If its going to be 15 years...almost two decades, then I'd firmly back the championship being spread over several rounds and tracks. Richard would like just Auckland, Palmy, Welly and Chchch to run stocks? 15 years is closer to 1 decade? The bigger the circle the more strength in the class. Is it Mods, only 3 tracks can run a NZ ? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2015 18:35:12 GMT 12
Do we have too many eligible tracks? If its going to be 15 years...almost two decades, then I'd firmly back the championship being spread over several rounds and tracks. Richard would like just Auckland, Palmy, Welly and Chchch to run stocks? 15 years is closer to 1 decade? The bigger the circle the more strength in the class. Is it Mods, only 3 tracks can run a NZ ? Ah yes, thats exactly what I said. |
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Post by BarryB on Apr 23, 2015 18:48:35 GMT 12
Do we have too many eligible tracks? If its going to be 15 years...almost two decades, then I'd firmly back the championship being spread over several rounds and tracks. Richard would like just Auckland, Palmy, Welly and Chchch to run stocks? 15 years is closer to 1 decade? The bigger the circle the more strength in the class. Is it Mods, only 3 tracks can run a NZ ? 5 tracks for Mods.....I think only Minisprints and Solos are down to three. Barry B |
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Post by tony27 on Apr 23, 2015 21:50:06 GMT 12
Richard would like just Auckland, Palmy, Welly and Chchch to run stocks? 15 years is closer to 1 decade? The bigger the circle the more strength in the class. Is it Mods, only 3 tracks can run a NZ ? 5 tracks for Mods.....I think only Minisprints and Solos are down to three. Barry B And sidecars if their remit is passed |
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Post by BarryB on Apr 24, 2015 8:09:31 GMT 12
You noticed that one huh? Yes, an interesting remit. Arguably has some merit, but it's difficult to see where they'll draw any support from in the vote, outside of the 3 tracks named in the remit.
Barry B
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