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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Sept 27, 2015 12:05:42 GMT 12
With my speedway spectator hat on ....
Many have purchased a season pass from a track only to find that with rainouts, conflicting commitments, spectating away from home track, they do not represent the value they appear to be. Having shelled out for a season pass also influences decisions to support neighbouring tracks and events.
Personally, I like to attend meetings at a variety of tracks around the country, occasionally different promotions on Friday, Saturday and a Sunday.
Increasingly we are being offered 'a class specific series' to follow and this may well escalate.
Does Speedway NZ have a potential role to play, attracting new spectators, perhaps 'SNZ non-competitor' membership of SNZ with accompanying benefits, clothing, meeting attendance, newsletters, etc? I think it does, or could.
There must be value for all promotions, spectators, competitors, crews, in having SNZ season membership and pass options (single adult, family, etc) providing access to any SNZ affiliated track, a loyalty card, the equivalent of the 'seniors' gold card type of technology set up where promotions, companies can choose to opt in. Franchise operatio0nms can do this, must be a mutually beneficial way for SNZ. Often it just takes a small carrot to swing somebody in your direction. As stupid as it might sound and possibly is, many will shop at a super market that gives a plastic domino, spending more dollars often for the privilege. Cafe's all have loyalty coffee cards that reward 'return custom', a philosophy I'd put in place tomorrow as a speedway!
Access to Pit areas has been a bone of contention for many competitors, crews and spectators around the country.
A very real benefit/attraction to sign up for SNZ membership could be an ID Card and access to pit areas?
All SNZ members provided a season pass and worn to provide pit access in place of these wrist bands a few promotions seem to value?
Perhaps these options are already available?
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Post by bikeboy on Sept 27, 2015 13:13:07 GMT 12
there is already a general membership option for $50, and i guess you would get the benefits like the cheap ferry crossings with that, www.speedway.co.nz/asp/licence.aspnot sure how you would get a discount on track entry tho, as it would take a big agreement between all promotors/clubs, and weather discounts would apply to promotional or championship meetings, |
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Post by mudman on Sept 27, 2015 15:47:10 GMT 12
Tracks dont even do discounts or x amount of free meetings a season to competitors (the entertainment) why would they do it for non competing members? the demographic you are refering to are almost guaranteed bums on seats whether they are charged full price or half price they will be there and from a business point of view $25 a head is 2 and a half times better then $10 a head. money they could put towards prize/appearance money for the entertainment.
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Post by Hoosier on Sept 28, 2015 8:46:02 GMT 12
Tracks dont even do discounts or x amount of free meetings a season to competitors (the entertainment) I realise thats a general statement, however, factually that is incorrect.. Western Springs certainly discount quite dramatically for competitors and crew- in the order of averaging $19 night total cost-bear in mind the gate price is $35 odd over the internationals etc.I believe the team also receive back 3 gate entries(covers crew) per night if they start the meeting. I imagine similar arrangements would apply across the country. The angle of this thread is more to do with supporter discounts- i think there's merit- i just dont know how it is achieved unless SNZ tracks offer a "member" price for those affiliated through the $50 general membership.SNZ would likely have to stump for the difference or the track loses?? In the case of WS (again), there is a fan club discount for a $15 joining fee-which reduces ticket prices to $21 for 11 meetings |
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Post by Speedway Central (David) on Sept 28, 2015 19:18:16 GMT 12
May be a SpeedwayNZ clicker card. Free Standad meeting pass per 20 clicks.
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Sept 29, 2015 0:01:46 GMT 12
May be a SpeedwayNZ clicker card. Free Standad meeting pass per 20 clicks.
There's lots of options if anyone had the 'will'.
Book of perforated entry tickets - track takes one on entry and is reimbursed?
Could be used at any meeting any where with a top up if required beyond the normal entry.
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Post by tank11 on Sept 29, 2015 7:43:55 GMT 12
Why would SNZ want to "top up" a tracks revenue?
This will just increase competitors fees or the tracks fees.
SNZ could discount their membership if they were that way inclined, but apart from safety aspects, can leave the tracks to do their business.
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Sept 29, 2015 20:55:07 GMT 12
Why would SNZ want to "top up" a tracks revenue? This will just increase competitors fees or the tracks fees. SNZ could discount their membership if they were that way inclined, but apart from safety aspects, can leave the tracks to do their business.
The 'top up I referred to' was for an additional payment by the ticket holder to access a 'special event', NOT for SNZ to subsidize anybody.
While each promotion is to a large degree independent I see it not dissimilar to a franchise operation.
EG your Mitre 10 type approach. Everyone does there own thing BUT they also work cooperatively to benefit everybody.
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Post by tank11 on Sept 29, 2015 21:07:37 GMT 12
Well if SNZ isn't topping up the track, who is "reimbursing" the track?
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Post by my2cents on Oct 1, 2015 11:34:09 GMT 12
Access to Pit areas has been a bone of contention for many competitors, crews and spectators around the country.
A very real benefit/attraction to sign up for SNZ membership could be an ID Card and access to pit areas?
All SNZ members provided a season pass and worn to provide pit access in place of these wrist bands a few promotions seem to value?
Perhaps these options are already available?
[/font][/p] [/quote] With Health and Safety playing a BIG part in New Zealand now I dear say access to pits is going to be a thing of the past very shortly....................I know this is a different discussion but with Worksafe getting their fingers in the pie it wont be long before when walking through the pits, You will be required to wear a Fluro top and orange strobe on your head |
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Oct 1, 2015 13:40:28 GMT 12
With Health and Safety playing a BIG part in New Zealand now I dear say access to pits is going to be a thing of the past very shortly ...........
I know this is a different discussion but with Worksafe getting their fingers in the pie it wont be long before when walking through the pits, You will be required to wear a Fluro top and orange strobe on your head
It is part of the discussion as it identifies the 'put up fences rather than open gates' mentality of many in todays world that is literally killing of many legitimate businesses and recreational choices.
Jeez, we've already got more than enough peddling that diversion.
To go on to the 'work area' at the Port of Tauranga as an external contractor/visitor I am required to complete safety requirement that is done 'on-line'. explaining dos and don'ts etc. Takes two minutes or so. At the completion the applicant prints off a certificate.
No cost, 2 minutes and everybody is covered.
Exactly the same process can be employed as part of the SNZ membership and pit access regime. Wear your SNZ ID around your next. No ID, no entry.
All too easy, but unfortunately that may be part of the problem, as we have a few that like creating issues that don't really exist or easily solved.
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Post by stdstock on Oct 1, 2015 18:25:15 GMT 12
With Health and Safety playing a BIG part in New Zealand now I dear say access to pits is going to be a thing of the past very shortly ...........
I know this is a different discussion but with Worksafe getting their fingers in the pie it wont be long before when walking through the pits, You will be required to wear a Fluro top and orange strobe on your head
It is part of the discussion as it identifies the 'put up fences rather than open gates' mentality of many in todays world that is literally killing of many legitimate businesses and recreational choices.
Jeez, we've already got more than enough peddling that diversion.
To go on to the 'work area' at the Port of Tauranga as an external contractor/visitor I am required to complete safety requirement that is done 'on-line'. explaining dos and don'ts etc. Takes two minutes or so. At the completion the applicant prints off a certificate.
No cost, 2 minutes and everybody is covered.
Exactly the same process can be employed as part of the SNZ membership and pit access regime. Wear your SNZ ID around your next. No ID, no entry.
All too easy, but unfortunately that may be part of the problem, as we have a few that like creating issues that don't really exist or easily solved.
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Post by bikeboy on Oct 1, 2015 20:18:06 GMT 12
With Health and Safety playing a BIG part in New Zealand now I dear say access to pits is going to be a thing of the past very shortly ...........
I know this is a different discussion but with Worksafe getting their fingers in the pie it wont be long before when walking through the pits, You will be required to wear a Fluro top and orange strobe on your head
It is part of the discussion as it identifies the 'put up fences rather than open gates' mentality of many in todays world that is literally killing of many legitimate businesses and recreational choices.
Jeez, we've already got more than enough peddling that diversion.
To go on to the 'work area' at the Port of Tauranga as an external contractor/visitor I am required to complete safety requirement that is done 'on-line'. explaining dos and don'ts etc. Takes two minutes or so. At the completion the applicant prints off a certificate.
No cost, 2 minutes and everybody is covered.
Exactly the same process can be employed as part of the SNZ membership and pit access regime. Wear your SNZ ID around your next. No ID, no entry.
All too easy, but unfortunately that may be part of the problem, as we have a few that like creating issues that don't really exist or easily solved.
"no cost" to who? someone pays for that internet site, the set up and of the said training programme, I agree with you that the H & S is overboard, but it certainly is not free for everyone to comply, |
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Post by Murray Guy (Grandad) on Oct 2, 2015 13:31:51 GMT 12
Jeez, we've already got more than enough peddling that diversion.
To go on to the 'work area' at the Port of Tauranga as an external contractor/visitor I am required to complete safety requirement that is done 'on-line'. explaining dos and don'ts etc. Takes two minutes or so. At the completion the applicant prints off a certificate.
No cost, 2 minutes and everybody is covered.
Exactly the same process can be employed as part of the SNZ membership and pit access regime. Wear your SNZ ID around your next. No ID, no entry.
All too easy, but unfortunately that may be part of the problem, as we have a few that like creating issues that don't really exist or easily solved.
I agree with you that the H & S is overboard, but it certainly is not free for everyone to comply,
There is NO additional wedsite costs (of any significance) to the POT or SNZ as the systems are all there, at best perhaps, maybe, a slight tweet.
The Training program is NOT a training program as such.
It is a two or three page series of multiple choice questions with follow a basic explanatory of Port rules.
Keep at it, ticking the boxes, and you eventually, after 2 or 3 minutes get success and you can print off your certificate.
Bloody site LESS cost financially and hassle than the existing mish mash of access rules around the country and no more arm bands needed. No more volunteers dishing out armbands. One less line up for the competitor desperate to get on with sorting the car.
Gates please, not fences!
As with online SNZ licence applications, darn sight easier and less expensive than driving to your contracted track.
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Post by bikeboy on Oct 2, 2015 16:27:08 GMT 12
"no cost" to who? someone pays for that internet site, the set up and of the said training programme,
I agree with you that the H & S is overboard, but it certainly is not free for everyone to comply,
There is NO additional wedsite costs (of any significance) to the POT or SNZ as the systems are all there, at best perhaps, maybe, a slight tweet.
The Training program is NOT a training program as such.
It is a two or three page series of multiple choice questions with follow a basic explanatory of Port rules.
Keep at it, ticking the boxes, and you eventually, after 2 or 3 minutes get success and you can print off your certificate.
Bloody site LESS cost financially and hassle than the existing mish mash of access rules around the country and no more arm bands needed. No more volunteers dishing out armbands. One less line up for the competitor desperate to get on with sorting the car.
Gates please, not fences!
As with online SNZ licence applications, darn sight easier and less expensive than driving to your contracted track.
Murray, i guess you do not know much about IT, because that system you mention, that is not really training is not cheap to set up, or to certify, it is not an "simple ad on as you mention" its a whole differnet platform to what SNZ has at the moment, every club has differnet rules because they have different pit area's and different cars running, somewhere like western springs, which has no self drive cars has a much easier place to police than rotorua that has all classes that self drive, i believe pits being closed during racing is a good thing in those type of enviroments, but in saying that, having people that are used to being around cars is not too much of a hassle either, where as having an open pits works at western springs works, it will be interesting to see if the Super Saloons drive though the pits, as its pretty dam tight in there, , |
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Post by SpeedwayLive on Oct 3, 2015 10:42:52 GMT 12
We have trailed and have a robust solution available.
But "heaven to bid" it would require tracks to work together and accept a solution that they haven't thought of or re invented. :-)
Punters would buy Ticketing Online for any number of meetings from any track. When they present it to the track a "Bar Code" is scanned and then "Ticked Off" so photocopy's can't be presented.
One day maybe .... :-)
Cheers
Jason
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