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Post by fastrota78 on Feb 6, 2017 20:56:45 GMT 12
Would have thought you'd give as much as you got Roxy? ? Anyway it's over for the year, bring on the next. A quick question. If a wheel gate comes loose, it's a danger, I understand, infield you go. If a wheel gate falls off, what's the difference to a front wheel falling off? With out getting shot at and not being able to smell the roses ,Just maybe loosing the wheel gate totally and laying on the track becomes a danger and because your car is the culprit that is why the red light is activated so off you go unfortunately. Didnt Wayne Hemi hit a wheel gate that some one else had dropped off to which was a lengthy discussion on here ..But the actual difference is relatively the same i guess . Nope Hemi hit a piece of bumper end that was stuck on the Ace car I think from memory after the officials checked it and kicked it and he was allowed to carry on...lap later it came off and Hemi found it going into turn 3 in the setting sun because it was an 'L' shape chunk of metal siting up on the track
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Post by tank11 on Feb 6, 2017 21:32:00 GMT 12
The wheel guard is to stop the wheel coming and flying into the crowd or elsewhere. Difference between a front wheel and a rear wheel is there is more danger from a wheel that is responding to engine revs. Actually, more the fact the axle can travel out with the complete tyre/rim combo. Knew I'd seen the answer somewhere, but the revs is also included in this.
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Post by screaminV8 on Feb 6, 2017 21:41:18 GMT 12
Really? But wouldn't the same danger exist with open wheelers - they have plenty of rear wheel contact with each other and the wall, and in the case of sprint cars and super saloons at least 50% more horsepower??
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Post by graemeh on Feb 7, 2017 6:10:23 GMT 12
Really? But wouldn't the same danger exist with open wheelers - they have plenty of rear wheel contact with each other and the wall, and in the case of sprint cars and super saloons at least 50% more horsepower?? The rule itself has probably been in existence forever. The contact aspect of stockcars probably helped the creation of the rule, but you are probably correct to suggest more danger in other classes.
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Post by tank11 on Feb 7, 2017 6:29:22 GMT 12
Really? But wouldn't the same danger exist with open wheelers - they have plenty of rear wheel contact with each other and the wall, and in the case of sprint cars and super saloons at least 50% more horsepower?? The rule itself has probably been in existence forever. The contact aspect of stockcars probably helped the creation of the rule, but you are probably correct to suggest more danger in other classes. I'd agree, but that was as answered to my question.
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Post by Tony on Feb 7, 2017 9:30:19 GMT 12
Rear wheel gates on Stockcars were introduced in the very early days of Stockcar racing at Palmerston North when a wheel flew into the crowd and killed a spectator.
Given that wheel gates are a safety device, their absence renders the vehicle unsafe to continue racing.
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Post by tank11 on Feb 7, 2017 9:42:47 GMT 12
Rear wheel gates on Stockcars were introduced in the very early days of Stockcar racing at Palmerston North when a wheel flew into the crowd and killed a spectator. Given that wheel gates are a safety device, their absence renders the vehicle unsafe to continue racing. Granted, but fencing has improved markedly since then. A number of other things have breached the fencing of late as well (with the same outcome in one case?)
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Post by Admin on Feb 7, 2017 10:02:45 GMT 12
Rear wheel gates on Stockcars were introduced in the very early days of Stockcar racing at Palmerston North when a wheel flew into the crowd and killed a spectator. Given that wheel gates are a safety device, their absence renders the vehicle unsafe to continue racing. Granted, but fencing has improved markedly since then. A number of other things have breached the fencing of late as well (with the same outcome in one case?) pretty unlikely to find anyone to take responsibility for relaxing a safety rule in today's climate. Besides a wheel under torque has a lot energy and able to do a lot of damage including to those on the infield.
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Post by Ben Biggs on Feb 7, 2017 10:17:44 GMT 12
Really? But wouldn't the same danger exist with open wheelers - they have plenty of rear wheel contact with each other and the wall, and in the case of sprint cars and super saloons at least 50% more horsepower?? Id agree with that... there was a spectator killed in Blen by an open wheeler and ive seen a few sprintcar tyres bounce over the nelson fence and out into the carpark... hard to wheelgate an open wheeler though lol
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Post by hbhornets on Feb 7, 2017 11:35:23 GMT 12
Im sure in a video somewhere it shows eddi hawksions? Getting rolled. Im sure he loaes a wheel gate then rolls the guy who rolls him. Didnt a jobin car lose a wheel in a run off. That was scary as f.
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Post by tony27 on Feb 7, 2017 16:17:00 GMT 12
The car coming off Simon Joblin's car was 240s against Peter Rees, hit a guy walking out in front of us. There was a rule change almost instantly about hub material after that happened
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 16:46:30 GMT 12
Im sure in a video somewhere it shows eddi hawksions? Getting rolled. Im sure he loaes a wheel gate then rolls the guy who rolls him. Didnt a jobin car lose a wheel in a run off. That was scary as f. eddi hawksions ? Would he be any relation to Eddie Hawkins who got rolled by Pat Westbury at Palmy..
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Post by hbhornets on Feb 7, 2017 19:33:54 GMT 12
Im sure in a video somewhere it shows eddi hawksions? Getting rolled. Im sure he loaes a wheel gate then rolls the guy who rolls him. Didnt a jobin car lose a wheel in a run off. That was scary as f. eddi hawksions ? Would he be any relation to Eddie Hawkins who got rolled by Pat Westbury at Palmy.. same guy wasnt around when he was racing unsure of his last name. But thats the hit im sure he lost a wheel garud and wasnt pulled. God i miss the 90s
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Post by Roxcyford on Feb 7, 2017 19:46:50 GMT 12
Would have thought you'd give as much as you got Roxy? ? Anyway it's over for the year, bring on the next. A quick question. If a wheel gate comes loose, it's a danger, I understand, infield you go. If a wheel gate falls off, what's the difference to a front wheel falling off? you are right tank11 I do give as much as I get but when it become personal that is a different story
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Post by Go Slideways on Feb 7, 2017 20:14:26 GMT 12
Would have thought you'd give as much as you got Roxy? ? Anyway it's over for the year, bring on the next. A quick question. If a wheel gate comes loose, it's a danger, I understand, infield you go. If a wheel gate falls off, what's the difference to a front wheel falling off? I'm a bit surprised that it seems I'm the only one who noticed 321W Hilton Parker had a wheel guard hanging off during a lot of the Mustangs race, spose the refs can't see everything all the time. Check it out in the first picture, and then a lap later. upload images free..next lap But that was ok for us Mustangs supporters cause then Jayden smashed 'em bro. ....but then Hilton tried getting us back.. Hilton finished the race, the Mustangs won, and everybody lived happily ever after. online photo sharing
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 20:21:34 GMT 12
eddi hawksions ? Would he be any relation to Eddie Hawkins who got rolled by Pat Westbury at Palmy.. same guy wasnt around when he was racing unsure of his last name. But thats the hit im sure he lost a wheel garud and wasnt pulled. God i miss the 90s It was a massive hit alright.
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Post by screaminV8 on Feb 7, 2017 21:44:00 GMT 12
The car coming off Simon Joblin's car was 240s against Peter Rees, hit a guy walking out in front of us. There was a rule change almost instantly about hub material after that happened Yes, was during a run off and half way down the straight the wheel just parted company and rocketed down the straight, hit the wall, and launched up and over the fence. Alloy hubs were gone in about 24 hours! (Think it was Scott btw).
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Post by beachboy on Feb 8, 2017 16:37:09 GMT 12
That tallies with what almost every spectator in the house saw and heard Mike. Even when the cars were gridding up, it seemed that there was going to be an attempt made to remove 127G from the track, but one can only conclude that a Higher Power with the Midas SNZ touch ruled that he could race. It made no difference, of course, as the GB Lions smashed the G I am quite surprised at the silence on this issue from a number of critics of the palmy promotion. Rees was at the far end of the track when he was crippled and was only ever going to get to the pit gate with tow truck assistance(outside assistance must not start until the green flag drops ?). Add that to the plainly obvious over time to correct the problem and you have fertile ground for those who indulge in conspiricy theories on this forum. This thread would be up to about page 10 by now if he had a p after his number. Awesome nights racing with the bay's win over the panthers one of the best. Its not a SNZ championship meeting so rules can be bent as they always are by the host.
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Post by penman on Feb 8, 2017 16:40:26 GMT 12
I am quite surprised at the silence on this issue from a number of critics of the palmy promotion. Rees was at the far end of the track when he was crippled and was only ever going to get to the pit gate with tow truck assistance(outside assistance must not start until the green flag drops ?). Add that to the plainly obvious over time to correct the problem and you have fertile ground for those who indulge in conspiricy theories on this forum. This thread would be up to about page 10 by now if he had a p after his number. Awesome nights racing with the bay's win over the panthers one of the best. Its not a SNZ championship meeting so rules can be bent as they always are by the host. Are there many billy goats that walk over your bridge BB?
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Post by pfloyd on Feb 8, 2017 18:37:27 GMT 12
I am quite surprised at the silence on this issue from a number of critics of the palmy promotion. Rees was at the far end of the track when he was crippled and was only ever going to get to the pit gate with tow truck assistance(outside assistance must not start until the green flag drops ?). Add that to the plainly obvious over time to correct the problem and you have fertile ground for those who indulge in conspiricy theories on this forum. This thread would be up to about page 10 by now if he had a p after his number. Awesome nights racing with the bay's win over the panthers one of the best. Its not a SNZ championship meeting so rules can be bent as they always are by the host. Wow - a post of mindless drivel from Beachboy , now there's something you don't see often.
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