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[bullitt]

GPS trackers on all cars so in the instance of a red light the GPS takes a snapshot of car location in turn allowing the officials to relocate cars fairly and correctly? Pretty simple technology that is easily and cheaply available these days

[PORKCHOPS4LIFE]

Jan 15, 2018 8:44:07 GMT 12 fastrota78 said:

It's not just the Palmy cars, it's SNZ that need to sort this issue but they won't as its too difficult and they never seem to fix any issues anyway.

In the repercharge the reds came on to remove a couple of stationary cars and KP stopped when leading and was passed by about 5 cars, they then moved him up but even the commentators said he had still lost about 10m.
Then after KP rolled 18p and he stopped for the reds he was again passed by about 3 or 4 cars and wasn't moved this time.
In the first heat when the reds came on, Dare was on the grass on the front straight and went past about 2 or 3 cars and was never put back.
The commentators were saying about how much ground Horse gained on a red and was never put back.

They said in drivers meeting that it was going to be watched and you would b relegated....guess that never happened though

Stopping under a red light / flag is a joke and takes a good 50 odd meters to come to a stop BUT when team racing on the start line they have the best brakes in the world !!! Drivers are being robbed of points and this is the difference between qualifying or ending up in a repocharge.
Not an easy fix.

[judge10tpt]

we have this issue in the contact side of the sport and all classes that stop for red lights

creepers, do not stoppers, cars doing half a lap under reds

how about this

no more reds, go to orange

let the cars grid back up, close them up, green flag start and watch the racing begin
and before you bagg it, try it at some club meetings, see if it works, they do it in sprints and saloons when they have guys up the wall and on their roof

yes you may get some gamesmanship happening but thats racing

i for one am for enforcing the rules, i have been called up to the box this season for attacking off the grass as this is what the official saw, but when i looked at the in-car i clearly came back onto the racing surface 10-20meters behind and then went back in to hitting but from his advantage point he saw off the grass and me hit the car but i had been on to track for at least 10 seconds before i hit the car again, but all good i didnt complain

i do understand that as an official they can not see everything and when the reds go they have 20-30 odd cars to check and look at and with 2-3 in the box thats a lot of cars to keep track of and they do the best they can do with the tools given

there must be better ways to help these guys out, so lets not have a go at the officals, unless you have been in their position and done the job yourself, as it must not be the easiest

[mordecai]

Jan 15, 2018 8:20:38 GMT 12 4zfed said:

Does anyone have final points & placings.

[Deleted]

Feel for Dale Stewart , one point out . Could have easily been on the podium with a little help from his friends...

[pfloyd]

For someone out of retirement and in an umfamiliar car Scott Miers had a pretty good weekend. many may have thought he was in there to help Jack but was not far off a podium himself. no palmy teams confirmed for ENZED, food for thought.......?

[go29]

Jan 15, 2018 10:03:17 GMT 12 mordecai said:

Jan 15, 2018 8:20:38 GMT 12 4zfed said:

Does anyone have final points & placings.

Does anyone have a similar picture with tier 2 points? We didn't get any of those last night. Well not that I could hear anyway lol

[hienekenno1]

Jan 15, 2018 10:17:37 GMT 12 pfloyd said:

For someone out of retirement and in an umfamiliar car Scott Miers had a pretty good weekend. many may have thought he was in there to help Jack but was not far off a podium himself. no palmy teams confirmed for ENZED, food for thought.......?

Yep the Jacob Baker car goes very well and had a very experienced driver behind the wheel last night,I could be wrong but I thing Scotty said he wasn't going to teams race anymore. 

[pfloyd]

Jan 15, 2018 10:22:48 GMT 12 hienekenno1 said:

Jan 15, 2018 10:17:37 GMT 12 pfloyd said:

For someone out of retirement and in an umfamiliar car Scott Miers had a pretty good weekend. many may have thought he was in there to help Jack but was not far off a podium himself. no palmy teams confirmed for ENZED, food for thought.......?

Yep the Jacob Baker car goes very well and had a very experienced driver behind the wheel last night,I could be wrong but I thing Scotty said he wasn't going to teams race anymore. 

yeah you are probably right but he showed the youngsters there is still life in the ""old dog"" yet and he weathered that roll at the Aukland champs pretty well.

[tony27]

Jan 15, 2018 8:07:35 GMT 12 @highrevz said:

Jan 14, 2018 22:17:15 GMT 12 Roxcyford said:

palmy will always have this dominance because they have the bright lights & the knack to poach top drivers from other clubs

We arent going to pull that excuse again are we.. Outside drivers were registered to Palmy long before Bruce Robertson.
You need to have a little look around and count the number of drivers registered to tracks that are not in the region they live in.. Might surprise you.

Someone put a list up of names off the top of their head earlier & it's really surprising especially the number at tracks who generally do the moaning.

[tony27]

Jan 15, 2018 8:02:23 GMT 12 PORKCHOPS4LIFE said:

Jan 14, 2018 22:59:30 GMT 12 go29 said:

Great minds think alike mate hah

Totally agree and you have to feel sorry for Dale 94R and weather in Vegas this week isnt looking to flash !

Don't be saying that, looking forward to making the trip again & it's the last weekend I get off for ages

[tony27]

Jan 15, 2018 10:17:37 GMT 12 pfloyd said:

For someone out of retirement and in an umfamiliar car Scott Miers had a pretty good weekend. many may have thought he was in there to help Jack but was not far off a podium himself. no palmy teams confirmed for ENZED, food for thought.......?

Scott drove the car at the 240s either last year or the year before & drove well
I've been told that Palmy wants the 240s out of the way before naming the teams, chances are they know who they want in them but need to know driver & car fitness first

[Roxcyford]

Jan 15, 2018 8:07:35 GMT 12 @highrevz said:

Jan 14, 2018 22:17:15 GMT 12 Roxcyford said:

palmy will always have this dominance because they have the bright lights & the knack to poach top drivers from other clubs

We arent going to pull that excuse again are we.. Outside drivers were registered to Palmy long before Bruce Robertson.
You need to have a little look around and count the number of drivers registered to tracks that are not in the region they live in.. Might surprise you.

i know of drivers who contracted to palmy in the early 90,s from another club were getting paid travel,repairs, appearance etc,if this is not poaching what is, all perfectly legal i might add

[TimSOZ]

Then current NZ Champ Albert Gordge contracted to Palmy from Stratford in 1973/74....track swapping for reasons other than proximity has been going on for decades.

[Deleted]

Jan 15, 2018 11:08:07 GMT 12 Roxcyford said:

Jan 15, 2018 8:07:35 GMT 12 @highrevz said:

We arent going to pull that excuse again are we.. Outside drivers were registered to Palmy long before Bruce Robertson.
You need to have a little look around and count the number of drivers registered to tracks that are not in the region they live in.. Might surprise you.

i know of drivers who contracted to palmy in the early 90,s from another club were getting paid travel,repairs, appearance etc,if this is not poaching what is, all perfectly legal i might add

Exacly that .. Perfectly Legal. Happens and accepted in all sports , but its only in speedway you hear the whinging .

[qwerty]

Jan 15, 2018 10:03:17 GMT 12 mordecai said:

With Dare accused of passing cars on a red light shows how much the accuracy of car placement on red lights is in all racing let alone championships with 94R missing out on 3NZ by only 1 point and Miers 1 more point behind 94R all could of been hugely different! but sounds like the 2nd night was full of hard fast racing and cant hold anything but praise for those who placed 1 2 and 3 as it is sport after all and to achieve at times you need luck, a huge amount of ability and on occasion a few calls to go your way. Lets hope 18/19 NZ can end with Zero NZp's hahaha

[woodart]

Jan 15, 2018 11:28:21 GMT 12 @highrevz said:

Jan 15, 2018 11:08:07 GMT 12 Roxcyford said:

i know of drivers who contracted to palmy in the early 90,s from another club were getting paid travel,repairs, appearance etc,if this is not poaching what is, all perfectly legal i might add

Exacly that .. Perfectly Legal. Happens and accepted in all sports , but its only in speedway you hear the whinging .

quite incorrect. it does happen in most sports and cause big problems. french rugby is a shadow of what it was, and many of the top clubs have stopped trying to develop local talent, just poach someone elses.about 20% of nrl players are kiwis poached from auckland rugby. fiji has big problems trying to put an international rugby team together because most of there best players have gone offshore. speedways big problem is the contracting system, farcical when you have a welly based driver contracting to palmy in one class and auckland in another. drivers are contracting to tracks that have very few race nights for there class to give themselves freedom from being told where and when (or not) to race. time it was changed .

[Deleted]

Jan 15, 2018 13:06:34 GMT 12 woodart said:

Jan 15, 2018 11:28:21 GMT 12 @highrevz said:

Exacly that .. Perfectly Legal. Happens and accepted in all sports , but its only in speedway you hear the whinging .

quite incorrect. it does happen in most sports and cause big problems. french rugby is a shadow of what it was, and many of the top clubs have stopped trying to develop local talent, just poach someone elses.about 20% of nrl players are kiwis poached from auckland rugby. fiji has big problems trying to put an international rugby team together because most of there best players have gone offshore. speedways big problem is the contracting system, farcical when you have a welly based driver contracting to palmy in one class and auckland in another. drivers are contracting to tracks that have very few race nights for there class to give themselves freedom from being told where and when (or not) to race. time it was changed .

Big difference to be perfectly honest. It s a $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ game in most sports and most countrys / clubs struggle to keep their players simply because they cant match the money on offer.
Speedway people should be allowed to register anywhere they choose especially if they are going to get a better deal .
Personally i cant see anything changing and if it did there would be more tracks than just Palmy effected .
Make a rule where drivers are forced to register to their home track and you will possibly see less racing done by some of them or even none at all.
Nobody tells rugby players here in NZ what club or province they must play for so why enforce it in speedway.

[Deleted]

I don't think woodart was for a single minute suggesting anything like making ppl contract to their closest track, which is impractical, unenforceable me more likely illegal, I think he was more coming from the angle of contracting to a class rather than a track. A promoter would then run that class at any given race night, which ppl can enter regardless of having hometrack clearance.

[woodart]

you have obviously misunderstood my post. I dont condone drivers or car owners being told where to race. I was pointing out that the current system is a sham and is constantly gamed for various different reasons. some clubs accept registrations of drivers in classes that dont even race at those tracks, for the club fees earned. some drivers register at tracks that hardy race those classes to give those drivers the freedom to race where they want. some drivers contract to particular tracks to keep there sponsors happy(thats dollars in action). my point is that for fans to bignote that there particular track is the home of whichever driver is currently the best is fairly shallow. having had a snz and ctra license at the same time, I quickly realised the snz system is farcical. you may as well put a ? after your number.