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Post by mordecai on Jan 28, 2018 10:36:09 GMT 12
ok so im wondering if anyone has any idea how the draw will work and if the seeded teams are still seeded
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Post by Skorp on Jan 28, 2018 10:53:21 GMT 12
The event has been moved to Baypark as that is the only track big enough and will now be run as a single all in race, all 14 teams with put all 5 cars on the track at once and the first car to complete 16 laps is the winner
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the draw
Jan 28, 2018 11:01:04 GMT 12
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Post by mordecai on Jan 28, 2018 11:01:04 GMT 12
The event has been moved to Baypark as that is the only track big enough and will now be run as a single all in race, all 14 teams with put all 5 cars on the track at once and the first car to complete 16 laps is the winner And back too sleep you go |
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Post by percy on Jan 28, 2018 11:30:26 GMT 12
Exact draw methodology probably TBA but in the meantime I'll suggest the following:
Seeded Team 1 vs Team 5
Team 6 vs Team 7
Seeded Team 2 vs Team 8
Team 9 vs Team 10
Seeded Team 3 vs Team 11
Team 12 vs Team 13
Seeded Team 4 vs Team 14
Seeded Team 1 vs Team 6
Team 5 vs Team 8
Seeded Team 2 vs Team 7
Team 9 vs Team 11
Seeded Team 3 vs Team 10
Team 12 vs Team 14
Seeded Team 4 vs Team 13
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Post by pracer79 on Jan 28, 2018 11:54:03 GMT 12
Exact draw methodology probably TBA but in the meantime I'll suggest the following: Seeded Team 1 vs Team 5 Team 6 vs Team 7 Seeded Team 2 vs Team 8 Team 9 vs Team 10 Seeded Team 3 vs Team 11 Team 12 vs Team 13 Seeded Team 4 vs Team 14 Seeded Team 1 vs Team 6 Team 5 vs Team 8 Seeded Team 2 vs Team 7 Team 9 vs Team 11 Seeded Team 3 vs Team 10 Team 12 vs Team 14 Seeded Team 4 vs Team 13 so if you are unseeded you would want to be team 9 or team 12 |
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Jan 28, 2018 11:57:55 GMT 12
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Post by mordecai on Jan 28, 2018 11:57:55 GMT 12
Exact draw methodology probably TBA but in the meantime I'll suggest the following: Seeded Team 1 vs Team 5 Team 6 vs Team 7 Seeded Team 2 vs Team 8 Team 9 vs Team 10 Seeded Team 3 vs Team 11 Team 12 vs Team 13 Seeded Team 4 vs Team 14 Seeded Team 1 vs Team 6 Team 5 vs Team 8 Seeded Team 2 vs Team 7 Team 9 vs Team 11 Seeded Team 3 vs Team 10 Team 12 vs Team 14 Seeded Team 4 vs Team 13 so if you are unseeded you would want to be team 9 or team 12 In looking at that seeded teams prob don't mean as much as in the 12 team format due to the fact that all teams are getting a good 6 or 7 race gap between races |
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Post by percy on Jan 28, 2018 12:04:02 GMT 12
With 4 seeded teams they will race a total of 8 other teams which leaves two "lucky" teams who wont have to face a seeded team.
I'll also add the Hawkes Bay team is vastly different to last years winning line-up. Whilst I'm sure they will give a good account of themselves they do lack the "scary factor" of facing a two-time defending champion. Drawing them wont be the end of the world.
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Post by Roxcyford on Jan 28, 2018 12:23:06 GMT 12
so you could have the same scenario as stockcar teams where the winning team @ the end of the reggatta had to race the 4 seeded teams over the 2 nights, some say the draw was rigged,but it is what it is to be number 1 you have to keep winning  |
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Post by Skorp on Jan 28, 2018 13:23:27 GMT 12
so you could have the same scenario as stockcar teams where the winning team @ the end of the reggatta had to race the 4 seeded teams over the 2 nights, some say the draw was rigged,but it is what it is to be number 1 you have to keep winning The draw is rigged. How else do you explain the Lions beating the Giants in the semi's and losing to the Hawkeeys in the final 2 years in a row.  I think we are aiming for a Wildcats vs Rebels final this year, bringing back one of the big rivalries from the late 90's (Yes I'm joking, no need to get your knickers in a twist) |
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Post by percy on Jan 28, 2018 13:38:18 GMT 12
so you could have the same scenario as stockcar teams where the winning team @ the end of the reggatta had to race the 4 seeded teams over the 2 nights, some say the draw was rigged,but it is what it is to be number 1 you have to keep winning No The most number of seeds a team can come up against is three. One on night 1 and potentially two on the second night. At the NZ Stockcar Teams the winners race 3 times on the finals night. The Superstocks traditionally race twice only. |
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Post by keyboardracer on Jan 28, 2018 14:30:39 GMT 12
Could always 'seed' the top 6 from last year instead of just the top 4, although as has been said it doesn't really matter who you face over the 2 nights, to be the best you've got to beat the best.
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Post by beachboy on Jan 28, 2018 21:59:49 GMT 12
seeded teams only get a 6 race break where as team's 5,7,10,13 all get 7 race break's. Hard luck on those who finished in the top 4 last year
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Post by mordecai on Jan 28, 2018 22:05:33 GMT 12
seeded teams only get a 6 race break where as team's 5,7,10,13 all get 7 race break's. Hard luck on those who finished in the top 4 last year ok so ya just change the numbers a bit but we get the idea |
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Post by 4zfed on Jan 29, 2018 8:00:09 GMT 12
Has there been an announcement on when the draw will be done?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 8:08:51 GMT 12
I doubt anyone can say the draw is rigged this year as most teams seem pretty even throughout.
Panthers havent been the force in recent times , Hawkeyes back to back winners but not the same team showing up this year.
Any team is capable of causing an upset.
IMO
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Post by Tapped on Jan 29, 2018 14:49:39 GMT 12
Will be groups this year
Group A
HB Hawkeyes
Group B
Great Britian Lions.
Group C
Palmerston North Panthers
Group D
Manawatu Mustangs
Not entirely sure how they'll work it - my maths says each group will have 3.5 teams in it if thats the case.
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Post by D Racer on Jan 29, 2018 15:18:10 GMT 12
Will be groups this year Group A HB Hawkeyes Group B Great Britian Lions. Group C Palmerston North Panthers Group D Manawatu Mustangs Not entirely sure how they'll work it - my maths says each group will have 3.5 teams in it if thats the case. I have been told by someone involved with the promotion team that it won't be groups, mainly because it is not possible with 14 teams... Will be interesting to see what actually happens and when... |
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Post by Tapped on Jan 29, 2018 16:29:27 GMT 12
Will be groups this year Group A HB Hawkeyes Group B Great Britian Lions. Group C Palmerston North Panthers Group D Manawatu Mustangs Not entirely sure how they'll work it - my maths says each group will have 3.5 teams in it if thats the case. I have been told by someone involved with the promotion team that it won't be groups, mainly because it is not possible with 14 teams... Will be interesting to see what actually happens and when... My source is connected as well, and explianed a way using the groups which sounded plausible and workable. Personaly ii'd prefer the way they did it in '13 ie 1 v 7, 2 v 9 etc. i know its not the actual draw from then but you should get the idea. |
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Post by theprofessor on Jan 29, 2018 16:43:05 GMT 12
If its going to be a points based qualifying system rather than group based then the points for being 1st across the line needs to be increased to 200 points, so a team that wins at least 1 race cannot be over taken by a team that loses both their races but gets enough finishing points to overtake a team that won one but had little other means of points... eg win one lose one = minimum points 200.. lose both = maxium points 190 ...
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Post by knownotmuch on Jan 30, 2018 12:38:31 GMT 12
I agree with your thinking for the points based system Professor, looking back over how the races have gone over the years 140 points to win would be enough to sort out the type of anomalies you refer to and may be an easy change for competitors etc to swallow. (you know how the Speedway hierarchy change)
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