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Post by Regan O'Brien on Feb 21, 2018 6:53:23 GMT 12
There will be no Hawkeyes in Auckland, Couple of us are flat out at work and some still got bad damage from Palmy teams. We'll be back next year.
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Post by Tapped on Feb 21, 2018 7:24:21 GMT 12
Stratford have also pulled out due to; work, cars, and general life duties etc.
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Post by hienekenno1 on Feb 21, 2018 8:32:23 GMT 12
Its a bit of a shame only 6 teams but there will still be plenty of action,i will be there but if your not happy with 6 teams just don't go,its a free country.
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Post by speedwaynut on Feb 21, 2018 8:59:08 GMT 12
For some of us who can't/don't get to Palmy, it's the only superstock teams racing we get to see.
Auckland usually put on a great show, no matter how many teams they get.
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Post by mordecai on Feb 21, 2018 9:33:34 GMT 12
looks like a panthers v giants final agaian depending on the draw
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Post by Jamo on Feb 21, 2018 9:39:20 GMT 12
6 teams I understand with other Commitments etc from drivers but it’s time to move this event elsewhere to give it a fresh coat of paint If only 6 teams make it a one night deal on the Saturday night and can the Sunday night altogether.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 9:53:04 GMT 12
6 teams I understand with other Commitments etc from drivers but it’s time to move this event elsewhere to give it a fresh coat of paint If only 6 teams make it a one night deal on the Saturday night and can the Sunday night altogether. Great idea
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Post by graemeh on Feb 21, 2018 10:03:30 GMT 12
6 teams I understand with other Commitments etc from drivers but it’s time to move this event elsewhere to give it a fresh coat of paint If only 6 teams make it a one night deal on the Saturday night and can the Sunday night altogether. I dont think the cost of the meeting could be covered by making it a one night deal, I would imagine you need two gate takings to pay for it.
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Post by Smeats on Feb 21, 2018 11:33:35 GMT 12
If only 6 teams make it a one night deal on the Saturday night and can the Sunday night altogether. Great idea How many races do you expect from each team if run over 1 night. 3 per team would be max for 1 night due to toll on cars and drivers. Say 2 races each to gain points then top 2 race for final, next 2 race for 3rd / 4th and bottom 2 race for 5th / 6th. a total of 9 teams races. Better over 2 nights using 2 groups of 3 which would give 6 races on night 1 (2 per team) then 5 races on night 2 (with semis, 5th vs 6th, 3rd vs 4th and finals). This gives 11 teams races over weekend.
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Post by mordecai on Feb 21, 2018 12:28:23 GMT 12
How many races do you expect from each team if run over 1 night. 3 per team would be max for 1 night due to toll on cars and drivers. Say 2 races each to gain points then top 2 race for final, next 2 race for 3rd / 4th and bottom 2 race for 5th / 6th. a total of 9 teams races. Better over 2 nights using 2 groups of 3 which would give 6 races on night 1 (2 per team) then 5 races on night 2 (with semis, 5th vs 6th, 3rd vs 4th and finals). This gives 11 teams races over weekend. that's how it's normally done
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Post by maninstand on Feb 21, 2018 13:15:17 GMT 12
Geeze people hate change. I suggested it needs a freshen up and people have a cry. 6 teams I repeat 6 teams are attenng. Wake up people this event needs a change. Date/location etc. I personally think start April and have like a three/four track rotation. And yeah there might be more action bla bla but you’re all missing the point.
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Post by keyboardracer on Feb 21, 2018 15:50:28 GMT 12
Here’s an idea then..... go get on the committee at a club you wish to and start up a teams event. Then you might see how much effort goes in weather there’s 6 teams or 28 teams. The problem is these cars are so expensive nowadays and with a mixture of palmy teams, work commitments, life commitments. And people not wanting to teams race it’s hard to get cars to this meeting nowadays. Not every club can put a whole new team together like Rotorua have.(which I will say is a massive credit to the super stock drivers at Rotorua for making it happen) I dunno what the answer is- maybe a date change. But aslong as wp continue to put this show on I’ll continue to go. Teams nationals might not have the atmosphere palmy does but the racing is way better. Maybe Bruce needs to up the appearance money at palmy to each club to help fix cars on the condition they go to auckland as well and If they don’t then they miss out on entering palmy the next year. Personally I think Bruce doing that would be the last thing either meeting needs, it'll simply kill the Teams meeting at palmy if teams get turned away because they didn't attend Auckland the year before. Unfortuanlty while money is a big factor, it's not the sole one in people's/teams attending auckland or not with time, work commitments, family, even stuff like crew coming into it.
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Post by graemeh on Feb 21, 2018 16:23:01 GMT 12
There will be no Hawkeyes in Auckland, Couple of us are flat out at work and some still got bad damage from Palmy teams. We'll be back next year. The advertising for this event has Hawkes Bay as one of the teams going?
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Post by BarryB on Feb 21, 2018 17:30:03 GMT 12
Palmerston North is far more central for teams to travel to than Auckland, so getting a good number of teams to Auckland is very expensive.
Palmerston North also holds about three times as many paying fans as Wacky Park, so there's not as many people to pay for those expenses.
And the drivers know that they'll by and large suffer more damage in Auckland than at Palmy, so all added up six teams is probably about all the venue can justify financially right now.
It's not optimum, but better than no teams meeting at all. It's an Auckland event, has been since the 1980's, so moving it isn't really an option.
Maybe a few other clubs could work together and host a teams meeting themselves every 3-4 years, but those with long memories will remember Baypark, Rotorua, Meeanee and Stratford (have I forgotten anybody?) all had Superstock teams meetings of their own once upon a time, as well as Palmy and Auckland. They didn't pay off then obviously, they'd still be running today if they did, so they're not likely to pay off now with costs having risen dramatically but no extra seating to sell.
I liked what Rotorua did for a few years; 4 teams of Superstocks, 4 teams of Stockcars and 4 teams of Streetstocks in one meeting. But very few venues hold enough paying patrons to stage any such meetings these days. Just too much financial risk.
Barry B
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Post by jayt6 on Feb 21, 2018 18:27:09 GMT 12
Just hope we get another final like Palmy that was an awesome final
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Post by percy on Feb 21, 2018 20:00:08 GMT 12
If there are only 6 teams it would be disappointing after the record high of fourteen at Palmerston North. Especially given this is a landmark year being the 30th annual running of the Superstock Teams Nationals.
Is it confirmed Baypark wont be attending? The last update I can find on their facebook page says they has a couple of team members with engine issues attendance TBA. I imagine they'd be attending if they could given their unbeaten run at Palmy. What about Wellington?
In terms of the event itself the core problem is this. Aside from the regulars, drivers find a way to get to Teams Champs. They find a way to get out of the Teams Nationals.
A couple of things I'd change for this event. I'd start the Sunday night show at 6pm. Nobody wants a show that finishes at 10pm on a Sunday night, especially if you're from Hamilton, Rotorua or Tauranga. You also want the live stream finishing at a reasonable hour so families can sit down on the Sunday night and watch the whole show.
I'd also switch around the support classes. Modifieds will be best on a night one track whilst the Stockcars don't need a track and should be incorporated into the night two schedule. That would also help the Stockcars avoid any clashes with neighboring tracks whilst providing a show that really appeals to the hardcore Stockcar fan.
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Post by Speedway Central (David) on Feb 21, 2018 20:18:46 GMT 12
If there are only 6 teams it would be disappointing after the record high of fourteen at Palmerston North. Especially given this is a landmark year being the 30th annual running of the Superstock Teams Nationals. Is it confirmed Baypark wont be attending? The last update I can find on their facebook page says they has a couple of team members with engine issues attendance TBA. I imagine they'd be attending if they could given their unbeaten run at Palmy. What about Wellington? In terms of the event itself the core problem is this. Aside from the regulars, drivers find a way to get to Teams Champs. They find a way to get out of the Teams Nationals. A couple of things I'd change for this event. I'd start the Sunday night show at 6pm. Nobody wants a show that finishes at 10pm on a Sunday night, especially if you're from Hamilton, Rotorua or Tauranga. You also want the live stream finishing at a reasonable hour so families can sit down on the Sunday night and watch the whole show. I'd also switch around the support classes. Modifieds will be best on a night one track whilst the Stockcars don't need a track and should be incorporated into the night two schedule. That would also help the Stockcars avoid any clashes with neighboring tracks whilst providing a show that really appeals to the hardcore Stockcar fan. Agree Sunday start time, As alot of people start early morning work Monday, but we still do it
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Post by Speedway Central (David) on Feb 21, 2018 20:23:17 GMT 12
Im thinking the Promoter only wants 6 teams for cost of event and size of crowd they can get.
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Post by Regan O'Brien on Feb 22, 2018 6:46:21 GMT 12
There will be no Hawkeyes in Auckland, Couple of us are flat out at work and some still got bad damage from Palmy teams. We'll be back next year. The advertising for this event has Hawkes Bay as one of the teams going? Can advertise what they want but i can tell you there will be no Hawkeyes, We only have 1 guy keen to go as the rest of us are all busy at work or as for me out for the season as the chassie on my car needs a hole new back end. I think what people need to remember is a lot of drivers take time off over xmas and race then back to work for a couple of weeks and in that time getting cars ready for palmy etc. Then we go wreck cars at palmy teams then all go back to work in one of the busyest months after hoilday season and try in fix cars, save money to try and get to Auckland. I think move Auckland teams nats to the end of March when things all settle down after big meetings etc. I know last year Auckland teams cost the Hawkeyes around 15k in damages. I love teams racing in Auckland but if you get in the wrong spot on the track you get smashed lol
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Post by 4zfed on Feb 22, 2018 12:23:39 GMT 12
Cheers for your post Regan. Always good to hear from the drivers themselves & the ones having to pay the bills. I agree it would be better 3weeks later more time between the 2 huge teams events. Such a shame Hawkeyes wont be there as the group will only get better with more experience.
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