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Post by midway on Feb 22, 2018 12:24:09 GMT 12
Well it must be the sign of the times .
Auckland now doesnt offer much ,not like it used to ,gone are the days the place rocked with great racing in all classes ..
But reading a few posts on here even in this thread leaves Wacky Park ,wide open for any future development from the super city council ,that must be considered a worry for the club ..
Team Nationals was a highlight meeting years ago ,Nelson always fronted up ,but i hope iam wrong ,but somehow feel in the present situation the club itself ,along with its promoter just arent doing enough to get the place rolling back to a entertainment value .
Extra seating was in place for N Z superstock champs but that wasnt filled to capacity ,the only thing ive seen in recent times is the demo derby,s
i hope you survive Wacky Park ,but you are certainly going to have to pull your finger out and show the general paying public this is a venue of entertainment value ,or it just might turn itself into something else ..
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Post by downey on Feb 22, 2018 14:12:21 GMT 12
Excuse my ignorance, but why do teams get more damage at Auckland?
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Post by Jays on Feb 22, 2018 14:47:15 GMT 12
Excuse my ignorance, but why do teams get more damage at Auckland? There are two major factors. 1. Less teams mean the top drivers go to war against each other while at PN they all end up avoiding each other till the Semis/Finals. There is normally atleast 1 or 2 big guns facing each other on night 1. 2. The Track Shape... simply put, the track is tighter so the runners must slow down more to make the corner, leaving them vulnerable for longer period of time. If you are getting pushed you will struggle to make the corner more at WP then at Palmy and most likely end up meeting the wall. The length of the straights normally means that if you are blocking and you end up in no mans land and cant make the corner to protect yourself, you are going to receive a decent punt. It adds up over two days. |
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Post by BarryB on Feb 22, 2018 16:26:22 GMT 12
Excuse my ignorance, but why do teams get more damage at Auckland? There are two major factors. 1. Less teams mean the top drivers go to war against each other while at PN they all end up avoiding each other till the Semis/Finals. There is normally atleast 1 or 2 big guns facing each other on night 1. 2. The Track Shape... simply put, the track is tighter so the runners must slow down more to make the corner, leaving them vulnerable for longer period of time. If you are getting pushed you will struggle to make the corner more at WP then at Palmy and most likely end up meeting the wall. The length of the straights normally means that if you are blocking and you end up in no mans land and cant make the corner to protect yourself, you are going to receive a decent punt. It adds up over two days. I'd say the wall. Cars ride up the wall a lot easier at Palmerston North, effectively reducing the impact on both car and driver. They often go up and come back down. Spectacular, especially at night with the showers of sparks due to chassis on concrete, but Waikaraka Park's wall tends to stop the car more often than pushing it up the wall. That's not to say they don't go up the wall in Auckland, but hitting the concrete hard at WP is often terminal. Barry B |
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Post by speedsinestv on Feb 22, 2018 17:42:08 GMT 12
Yep Barry, bang on. No bottom lip/camber means cars just go straight in and therfore suffer a lot more damage. As opposed tobeing flicked off at an angle and therefore dissipating the energy of the impact mire effectively. Palmy Speedway is perfect. I think, just like the rules for safety fences, a bottom angled lip, should be a SNZ prerequisite. It also does double duty in that the impact is more exciting to see, while inflicting less damage to the car and driver.
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Post by percy on Feb 23, 2018 12:19:54 GMT 12
Baypark Busters have confirmed on Facebook they won't be there
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Post by Jamo on Feb 23, 2018 12:49:42 GMT 12
If only 6 teams make it a one night deal on the Saturday night and can the Sunday night altogether. I dont think the cost of the meeting could be covered by making it a one night deal, I would imagine you need two gate takings to pay for it. Still make it 1 night but charge more for tickets to get in. At the moment everyone needs to pay for 2 nights, out of towners need 2 nights accommodation / food etc as well. Make it one night, charge 1.75 times more than normal night cost (means people better off than paying for 2 nights). Promoters get enough from ticket sales to fund meeting and punters from out of town save in accommodation as well. Win/ win. |
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Post by hienekenno1 on Feb 23, 2018 12:52:17 GMT 12
Bruce Robertson said on the radio last night the 6 teams will be the Allstars,panthers,Mustangs,Giants,Wanderers and the Rebels.He did say may be the Hawke eyes but Regan O,Brien says that wont be happening which is a shame.
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Post by Jamo on Feb 23, 2018 13:04:11 GMT 12
I dont think the cost of the meeting could be covered by making it a one night deal, I would imagine you need two gate takings to pay for it. Still make it 1 night but charge more for tickets to get in. At the moment everyone needs to pay for 2 nights, out of towners need 2 nights accommodation / food etc as well. Make it one night, charge 1.75 times more than normal night cost (means people better off than paying for 2 nights). Promoters get enough from ticket sales to fund meeting and punters from out of town save in accommodation as well. Win/ win. Format for 1 night. 9 teams races 2 seeded groups (Group 1 seeds 1, 4 and 6.Group 2 seeds 2, 3 and 5). All races for points like palmy night 1. Race 1 1 vs 6 Race 2 2 vs 3 Race 3 1 vs 4 Race 4 2 vs 5 Race 5 4 vs 6 Race 6 3 vs 5 Winners of each group race for 1st and 2nd. First across the line 2nd placed teams in each group race for 3rd and 4th. First across the line 3rd placed teams from each group race for 5th and 6th. First across the line. Means every team has 3 teams races. Throw in 3 support classes to pad time required for repairs. Maybe even allow each team to have 6 cars in a team instead of 5 so 2 reserves. Simple and easy to knock it off on 1 night and save costs all round. 9 teams races warrants a heftier ticket price and no one can complain because still cheaper than 2 nights! |
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Post by mordecai on Feb 23, 2018 13:10:48 GMT 12
What teams entered last year
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Post by hbhornets on Feb 23, 2018 14:11:53 GMT 12
What teams entered last year don't know why you are asking bit same 6 expect Hawke eyes out wanders in. 6. |
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Post by percy on Feb 23, 2018 14:15:07 GMT 12
Jamo the Teams Nationals are already $30 per night.
Are you suggesting they should make it one night and charge $50?
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Post by Jamo on Feb 23, 2018 14:22:24 GMT 12
Jamo the Teams Nationals are already $30 per night. Are you suggesting they should make it one night and charge $50? Yep, exactly what I am suggesting. Still cheaper than 2 x nights at $30.00 / night, still 9 teams races. Only 1 night of food as well so save you even more money! Compared to premier nights of racing overseas it is still cheap at $50.00. I can't see how people would complain? If they happy to pay $30.00 / night and go 2 nights to see event they should be happy to pay $50.00 for one night to see event? Near enough to same amount of teams races and less overall cost?? |
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Post by Jamo on Feb 23, 2018 14:23:57 GMT 12
PS: Fixed overheads for promoter reduce as well as only 1 race night to pay for not 2.
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Post by graemeh on Feb 23, 2018 15:07:23 GMT 12
Jamo the Teams Nationals are already $30 per night. Are you suggesting they should make it one night and charge $50? Yep, exactly what I am suggesting. Still cheaper than 2 x nights at $30.00 / night, still 9 teams races. Only 1 night of food as well so save you even more money! Compared to premier nights of racing overseas it is still cheap at $50.00. I can't see how people would complain? If they happy to pay $30.00 / night and go 2 nights to see event they should be happy to pay $50.00 for one night to see event? Near enough to same amount of teams races and less overall cost?? A lot of people can't afford to go both nights at the moment so only go one night, increasing the gate fee for a one night show would possibly stop them going at all. As a two night show the promoter stands to make more money and that's what he's there for. The bigger meetings usually subsidise the smaller ones so there would be some trickle down effect people in general wouldn't see. The aim should be to build the event and reducing it to a one night event would only add to the slide. |
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Post by Jamo on Feb 23, 2018 15:43:05 GMT 12
Yep, exactly what I am suggesting. Still cheaper than 2 x nights at $30.00 / night, still 9 teams races. Only 1 night of food as well so save you even more money! Compared to premier nights of racing overseas it is still cheap at $50.00. I can't see how people would complain? If they happy to pay $30.00 / night and go 2 nights to see event they should be happy to pay $50.00 for one night to see event? Near enough to same amount of teams races and less overall cost?? A lot of people can't afford to go both nights at the moment so only go one night, increasing the gate fee for a one night show would possibly stop them going at all. As a two night show the promoter stands to make more money and that's what he's there for. The bigger meetings usually subsidise the smaller ones so there would be some trickle down effect people in general wouldn't see. The aim should be to build the event and reducing it to a one night event would only add to the slide. Fair comment re people only affording to go one night. Important to mote that as like a few years ago the promoter is not only reliant on gate takings now but also gets a slice of the pie from live stream. I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years time more money was raised by this process than gate taking. They seem to charge near enough to same price as going and not limited by how many they can accommodate like a venue is. Be interesting to know how much was raised by live streaming the recent event in Palmy. |
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Post by hbhornets on Feb 23, 2018 15:49:48 GMT 12
A lot of people can't afford to go both nights at the moment so only go one night, increasing the gate fee for a one night show would possibly stop them going at all. As a two night show the promoter stands to make more money and that's what he's there for. The bigger meetings usually subsidise the smaller ones so there would be some trickle down effect people in general wouldn't see. The aim should be to build the event and reducing it to a one night event would only add to the slide. Fair comment re people only affording to go one night. Important to mote that as like a few years ago the promoter is not only reliant on gate takings now but also gets a slice of the pie from live stream. I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years time more money was raised by this process than gate taking. They seem to charge near enough to same price as going and not limited by how many they can accommodate like a venue is. Be interesting to know how much was raised by live streaming the recent event in Palmy. and this is why sky isn't getting envoled. They have a small truck. Four cameras. But all that live streaming money won't be going to the promoter. And that us what's holding this sport back. Well in my eyes. At 50 yea I would go one night. As it is I only go to teams one night anyway in palmy. And nothe willing to pay that much for palmy live stream. It's insane what's getting charged for the product. Imagine if live stream at palmy was 30 how many more people would be watching? |
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Post by mordecai on Feb 23, 2018 15:58:51 GMT 12
What teams entered last year don't know why you are asking bit same 6 expect Hawke eyes out wanders in. 6. do you need to know why im asking ? I just couldn't remember if rebels were there
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Post by midway on Feb 23, 2018 22:13:13 GMT 12
Yep Barry, bang on. No bottom lip/camber means cars just go straight in and therfore suffer a lot more damage. As opposed tobeing flicked off at an angle and therefore dissipating the energy of the impact mire effectively. Palmy Speedway is perfect. I think, just like the rules for safety fences, a bottom angled lip, should be a SNZ prerequisite. It also does double duty in that the impact is more exciting to see, while inflicting less damage to the car and driver. On numerous occasions at Waikaraka Park we were instructed by S.N.Z. to cut the lip of the track to the bottom edge of the concrete ,so there was no chance of cars climbing up the wall .. Exciting to see as the car climbs the wall through the catch fence then into the bottom row of spectators ,just ask kelvin Gray nothing much he could do but hope every one concerned was okay .. |
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Post by beachboy on Feb 24, 2018 18:14:44 GMT 12
PS: Fixed overheads for promoter reduce as well as only 1 race night to pay for not 2. so should only be $30 not $50 |
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