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Post by midway on Jun 2, 2018 18:55:36 GMT 12
The intermediate future of the sport especially in Auckland may not take off as expected ,simply and purely by the rising costs to which everybody has to adjust to .
Impact to some that cannot pass on such adjustments will have to compromise and the sport if speedway may suffer through gate sales ,competitors ,and other activity that is associated with the sport ..
Over recent years in this sport in particular numbers of competitors hasent grown and at one track seem extremely low ,so with the costs to live in such a city escalating beyond expectation ,such great ventures by this Goff lead council,by fueling taxes and rates ,may be a new such stadium will end up a white elephant like we have seen with Think Big thanks to Robert Muldoon rip..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 18:55:57 GMT 12
yeah life is usually 25 years gifts and lotteries
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 19:25:10 GMT 12
Waikaraka Park are the encumbents, the Springers have to find out how the laws of supply and demand will work in this situation, they claim big crowds but only have 10 meetings..what happens to that scenario when they are open to race 24 nights.. will they maintain the same gate reciept? It a tricky situation..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2018 19:27:56 GMT 12
The intermediate future of the sport especially in Auckland may not take off as expected ,simply and purely by the rising costs to which everybody has to adjust to . Impact to some that cannot pass on such adjustments will have to compromise and the sport if speedway may suffer through gate sales ,competitors ,and other activity that is associated with the sport .. Over recent years in this sport in particular numbers of competitors hasent grown and at one track seem extremely low ,so with the costs to live in such a city escalating beyond expectation ,such great ventures by this Goff lead council,by fueling taxes and rates ,may be a new such stadium will end up a white elephant like we have seen with Think Big thanks to Robert Muldoon rip.. Quite right and thats another thought for the springers who like to stay central akl... |
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Post by Go Slideways on Jun 2, 2018 22:14:37 GMT 12
....funny how springers fans automatically think they will be running the show at WP if everything changes ...I wouldnt think so..lol It would be like asking a commercial business to hire a union as its workforce. Believe it or not some large employers prefer collective agreements over individual contracts. |
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Post by 00crewchief00 on Jun 2, 2018 22:36:39 GMT 12
....funny how springers fans automatically think they will be running the show at WP if everything changes ...I wouldnt think so..lol well without the springers professional attitude and corporate contacts I don't see the wacky park joint venture getting the assistance or backing that is required to get the amalgamation off the ground !! It has never been about the sport or the governance of the sport - it has been all about money, and that's sh*t. [/quote] Exactly what "the springs" is all about!!!!!! Flash harry's running their own media coverage and self stroking narrative on whole situation. Playing it up to the fans while a deal to actually leave possibly has already been done, but wanting fans to beleive they are still fighting (saving face) |
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Post by Geoff public on Jun 3, 2018 10:48:35 GMT 12
There has been a move to place cricket at Western Springs for over a decade. Whoever is behind it has patience, influence and been far better organised.
Unless you truly believe that each venue can stay where it is. It's in Auckland Speedways best interests that both groups provide a united front.
Infighting caused by both tracks supporters will make it all to easy for the Council to give us nothing at all.
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Post by Rota on Jun 3, 2018 12:53:49 GMT 12
Springs is getting squeezed out. Cars are getting faster & more cars are joining. I’m sure if it was decided that it would end up on Colin Dale Park then they would build the track bigger as they can do all the planning themselves.
There’s only so much you can do with an existing track.
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Post by John W. on Jun 3, 2018 13:16:35 GMT 12
Going to Colin Dale Park would be a huge mistake. Check the resource consents for traffic movements...add in the fact that the airport will put pressure on for it to close (think dust and bright lights under an approach path), and you will have a track that will be a huge white elephant in 2 years time. The fact is that SPL (which Hemi appears to be linked to) are still trying to divide speedway for their financial gain. There has been no discussion on how a single park would work, yet they are saying they don't want to participate. Hemi - why don't you come out and confirm your interest in Speedway. Are you an organiser, racer or spectator? Springs is getting squeezed out. Cars are getting faster & more cars are joining. I’m sure if it was decided that it would end up on Colin Dale Park then they would build the track bigger as they can do all the planning themselves. There’s only so much you can do with an existing track. |
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Post by Rota on Jun 3, 2018 13:22:51 GMT 12
Going to Colin Dale Park would be a huge mistake. Check the resource consents for traffic movements...add in the fact that the airport will put pressure on for it to close (think dust and bright lights under an approach path), and you will have a track that will be a huge white elephant in 2 years time. The fact is that SPL (which Hemi appears to be linked to) are still trying to divide speedway for their financial gain. There has been no discussion on how a single park would work, yet they are saying they don't want to participate. Hemi - why don't you come out and confirm your interest in Speedway. Are you an organiser, racer or spectator? Springs is getting squeezed out. Cars are getting faster & more cars are joining. I’m sure if it was decided that it would end up on Colin Dale Park then they would build the track bigger as they can do all the planning themselves. There’s only so much you can do with an existing track. I’m a crew member of a team which we race at Springs. That’s the only connection with SPL i’ve Got. Who knows what’s gonna happen. Whatever happens is what we are all going to have to live with. Council always gets what they want 🙄. I guess we will all find out on Tuesday or so as stated on Springs Facebook page. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 13:34:48 GMT 12
The problem, and it is a big one, is the Mayor has already published a document stating there will be only one regional speedway in Auckland.
If SPL push the Colin Dale option (one which they publicly said didn't work when it was looked at previously) and get traction behind it, then Waikaraka Park will be shut down. This was never their issue or problem, but the current politics around having full control could possibly make Waikaraka Park and the club there the greatest looser in this whole miserable state of affairs.
If Colin Dale were to go ahead and SPL gain full control, how many stock car races would you expect to see there? This perversion of the council's intent to create a great place for spectators and the sport of speedway to flourish and develop in the city, will actually spell the end for most of the classes currently running in Auckland - Some future of speedway that will be!
Before that happens I think you will see one hell of a fight and a it will be very public. Not what we would all want to see, but the 'in fighting' between the fans and groups seems to have been one way traffic so far. Not so for long if the very existence of those who have done nothing but offer to help is called into question.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 14:36:49 GMT 12
"... we have added a couple of very new and exciting race meetings to the season to keep it interesting for everyone." That will be interesting!  |
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Post by midway on Jun 3, 2018 16:07:22 GMT 12
well without the springers professional attitude and corporate contacts I don't see the wacky park joint venture getting the assistance or backing that is required to get the amalgamation off the ground !! It has never been about the sport or the governance of the sport - it has been all about money, and that's sh*t. Exactly what "the springs" is all about!!!!!! Flash harry's running their own media coverage and self stroking narrative on whole situation. Playing it up to the fans while a deal to actually leave possibly has already been done, but wanting fans to beleive they are still fighting (saving face)[/quote] Well after the anniversary of your such club i guess the ASSCC ,it cant post a profitable balance sheet,why it gets a very affordable lease ,compared to others ,club run ,has had a massive grandstand till recently ,no noise restrictions imposed ,key money paid by caterers and the list goes on It became that useless that the AssCc ,has to pay a outside promoter to run the place ,if you want to talk governance well there is very little showing there at this point . If it wasnt for Bruce Robertson as a promoter the place would of collapsed in a pile of sh*t ,with good old Frances still trying to plant some potatoes .. |
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Post by 00crewchief00 on Jun 3, 2018 19:09:55 GMT 12
SPL in charge would be the end of streetstocks, ministocks and (ltd) saloons. Have heard this mention several times by many "springers" stockcars stay for the "entertainment value" as one person put it.
Super stocks/saloons stay as premium classes, mods and 6 shooters 50/50 dependent on numbers and "popularity"
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Post by midway on Jun 3, 2018 20:33:16 GMT 12
SPL in charge would be the end of streetstocks, ministocks and (ltd) saloons. Have heard this mention several times by many "springers" stockcars stay for the "entertainment value" as one person put it. Super stocks/saloons stay as premium classes, mods and 6 shooters 50/50 dependent on numbers and "popularity" Never believe anything or anyone ,till you see it actually happen ...if amalgamation was to happen class representation must be considered ,on all sides ,so the sport brings entertainment to the much needed paying public If class numbers were to low then you may see some classes not in the program . Square bush the clown provided more entertainment than watching some of the classes that have raced in recent years at one venue ... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 10:31:46 GMT 12
Midway, you like many are missing the big picture here - not a criticism, just an observation. What we are all talking about should have nothing to do with the personalities currently involved in either camp. It is about the future of the sport.
The city has indicated that they are looking at the next 75 years (give or take) when they began to look into Waikaraka Park as a development site for the sport. Remember the context right now in Auckland, with housing shortages, Panuku's Onehunga Develompent Plan, shortages of playing fields and unprecedented growth in population. The very easy thing for the council to do in light of all of that would be to move motorsport out of the city altoghether, and in the case of Waikaraka Park, bow to the pressure from the Parks team and turn it into more football pitches. But they didn't, and there are many reasons for this.
The first, and it is important, is they (RFA) acknowledge the tradition and support the sport has and made a decision to keep it in the city for the fans (whether you want to believe that or not, keep the pig picture in mind). Other reasons are to do with putting council money where it will do the most good. The whole stadium strategy is about unpicking the poor planning, old 'school tie' nature of site control, huge maintenance cost and restrictive use (= can't get any of them to generate enough revenue to justify their existence and cost) and haphazard nature of development under the previous separate city councils in Auckland - its a political minefield.
In considering a location for a Regional Facility to spend rate payers money on (any stadium plan internationally goes through this), a whole lot of other things have to be considered. Transport connections, ability to grow, revenue generation (the numbers), ability for other community groups to benefit by having a facility close and the wider economic benefits to local businesses (i.e. the people who pay for it can get benefit from it whether they are directly involved or not).
In looking at the Waikaraka Park location, the council are satisfied that the Unitary Plan not only allows for motorsport to be developed in the centre of the city, but the location will be unaffected by future zoning. At the same time it will benefit from planned growth and redevelopment in the immediate surroundings. The Panuku Onehunga Plan includes a large chunk of land holdings immediately across the road to the West. They get control of that land in 2025 and are looking to create a light industrial park for industry, and the idea of a 'gasoline alley' has been floated with that zone possibly heavily flavoured by related motorsport and performance car businesses. Not saying this will happen, but the location allows it to happen easily and organically without any planning restrictions.
Other community groups also need to benefit from City Spend. Currently there are a vast number of groups that make use of the Waikaraka Park speedway and its club rooms outside of the motorsport calendar. Development that provides more and better facilities also benefits this large number of local community groups, and helps cement the importance of the speedway in the city as a highly prized and valuable member of the wider community.
The Waikaraka Park location ticks so many boxes on the 'right place for development' sheet, it is very hard to argue (unless your focus is very narrow, and all about what is in it for you). So lets leave that there for now, and look at the speedway activity in isolation.
The ASSCC has tenure on an existing Motorsport Precinct and has been around for 50 years - a lot longer than SPL. The ASSCC represents a lot more Speedway Racing Classes in Auckland than SPL. The ASSCC has a lot more competitors likely to be affected by a decision to do with the future of Auckland Speedway than SPL. The ASSCC has not fired a shot, and in fact has been holding out the olive branch through all of this. Any 'change of plan' being floated behind the scenes will necessarily bring the ASSCC into the consultation process if it affects their tenure of Waikaraka Park, and some fairly searching questions will be asked of Auckland Councillors seemingly supportive of diverting rate payers money into a venture that benefits a commercial entity with a likely outcome of harming the sport rather than developing it. So lets leave that there for now, and go back to the big picture here - I have an opinion (obviously), but not all the answers - so here a are a few questions for consideration:
If this is actually about the future and development of the sport for the drivers, the fans, speedway related businesses etc. why are we even talking about 'some classes are likely to disappear' rather than increasing participation and strength across the classes?
If this is actually about the future and development of the sport, why aren't we considering the kids in 1/4 midgets and mini stocks right now and talking about what we can do to help them and future generations of NZ driving talent stand on the podium at Knoxville, by giving them a track to get good enough on and setting aside some revenue from ticket sales to help send our brightest and best offshore to compete (F1 World Stock Car Champs in the UK is also an international prize NZ should be targeting)?
Why are we embroiled in a slinging match that has more to do with current personalities and the past, and not talking about the future when the council is offering to give the sport a home in the centre of the city for a longer future than any of us will be around to see?
How did a spat between SPL and their landlord now tun into SPL becoming the self appointed spokesperson for the future of Speedway in Auckland?
With all of the clear positive opportunities for the sport and its fans to stay in the city and grow to become a hugely prized community asset for many more people than just speedway people and therefore never have to go through this circus again, why are SPL hell bent on killing that opportunity?
If your focus is on the opportunity for the sport to take a major leap forward and create for itself a position that can never be questioned again (in light of the disturbing loss of Western Springs after nearly 90 years), why is Colin Dale even part of the conversation?
BIG PICTURE guys and gals, don't let the sport (or the commentary on this venerable organ) get dragged down by anyone not committed to the big picture - none of them will be around or involved in 20 years, but the sport and new generations of drivers and fans will - the decisions we make right now are very important, and we all need to set aside negative and short term views and start demanding a bright future - and demanding of those in positions of influence and control that they deliver that bright future or step aside and let others who can get on with it.
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Post by blackbullet on Jun 4, 2018 11:21:04 GMT 12
Very well said gofast
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Post by John W. on Jun 4, 2018 12:15:07 GMT 12
Gofast, with a statement like that we need to get you involved in the running of speedway in Auckland and New Zealand...Gofast for SNZ president...Well summed up.But the question remains. Is the development sign sealed and delivered or are SPL now risking loosing everything for the sport?
Something else that the open wheelers need to remember - ASSCC is an club run by the drivers for the drivers. If the two groups usited, then open wheelers would have every right to stand for the exec committee and be elected. Therefore they would have the same voice as the current ASSCC classes. Under SPLs leadership it is all dependent on what the money makers want. There would be minimal grass roots and developmental classes.
My suggestion....Take ASSCC constitution. Rework it a bit. And rename the club Auckland Speedway Club. The club in turn can hire the best promoter to market the events - but the drivers still keep control.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2018 12:42:25 GMT 12
My mum won't let me - I'm only 11. I highly recommend 'Grammarly' its writes things for you and 'organ' made me laugh.
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Post by midway on Jun 4, 2018 13:11:52 GMT 12
Gofast, with a statement like that we need to get you involved in the running of speedway in Auckland and New Zealand...Gofast for SNZ president...Well summed up.But the question remains. Is the development sign sealed and delivered or are SPL now risking loosing everything for the sport? Something else that the open wheelers need to remember - ASSCC is an club run by the drivers for the drivers. If the two groups usited, then open wheelers would have every right to stand for the exec committee and be elected. Therefore they would have the same voice as the current ASSCC classes. Under SPLs leadership it is all dependent on what the money makers want. There would be minimal grass roots and developmental classes. My suggestion....Take ASSCC constitution. Rework it a bit. And rename the club Auckland Speedway Club. The club in turn can hire the best promoter to market the events - but the drivers still keep control. So clarify the meaning of Bruce Robertson involvement as a Promoter as you have quoted AssCC is a club that part is correct ,but by the drivers ? for the drivers ,?.. The other item of interest is SPL, is solely a promotional company that has a contract with the Super City Council ,,like in years gone by, for example Willie kay was the Promoter ..both,have had a investment in western springs on a promotional level ,but they dont own the place nor does the AssCc .. So if you look at the big picture neither venue is much use simply where are you going to park the paying public ,the AssCC has a tin pot carpark ,surrounded by industrial traffic 24hrs a day ,the Springs is no better but caters for it a little better just .. |
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