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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 19:21:59 GMT 12
Next seasons New Zealand Midget car champs stratford clashes with Chilli Bowl nationals runs 14-19th January. wont see Michael Pickens or any American Drivers over here for that. which was stupid have this on weekend? did it just happen be coincidence of dates.
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Post by tonyr on May 23, 2018 19:42:34 GMT 12
Crazy Tim, just plain crazy.
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Post by Jamo on May 24, 2018 12:37:54 GMT 12
Crazy Tim, just plain crazy. I would be surprised if Stratty even considered the Chillibowl in setting their date. If they did they are silly to have chosen it without checking with leading drivers. To be fair it is hard enough to consider all NZ tracks and competing events in all classes when setting dates so near impossible when you also need to allow for international dates as well! I assume even some Aussie race dates would cause issue with midgets as well?? I would be surprised if they didn't agree to move it if the drivers contact them and explain reasons why. I think Stratty would love to have a few US competitors for event so if a date that allows this to happen can be found they wouldn't be worried about moving the date. |
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Post by openwheel12 on May 24, 2018 20:30:40 GMT 12
well thats a complete and utter balls up by Stratford Speedway.... very silly to run a Title with no 1 2 or 3 nz or any americans for that matter.....
They should re book meeting having the big guns in Stratford is a once in a life time for that club... they dont have to pay travel or anything for them to be there and to see some of the best in the world at a small track like that would be great for everyone who attends
i know i wont be making the trip there cause ill be watching chili bowl
lets hope they change it
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Post by tonyr on May 24, 2018 20:44:39 GMT 12
I too had planned to make the trip but that was before I knew the date. I wont go unless the date changes.
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Post by woodart on May 25, 2018 13:31:22 GMT 12
I too had planned to make the trip but that was before I knew the date. I wont go unless the date changes. well, Im sure the good folks in taranaki will lose much sleep about your non-attendance. get over yourself. the chilli bowl is an off season meeting in the yanks winter(usually snow outside the building), so to expect a club in the other hemisphere to get their meeting to align with it is fairly ridiculous. our open window for dates is restricted enough as it is , accomadating local drivers and other local meetings, is, and should be, far more important than trying to fit in with a meeting in the u.s. Im sure ,that if your budget can stretch to spectating at the chilli bowl, it can also stretch to paying for a live feed from stratford. |
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Post by tonyr on May 25, 2018 13:44:04 GMT 12
I too had planned to make the trip but that was before I knew the date. I wont go unless the date changes. well, Im sure the good folks in taranaki will lose much sleep about your non-attendance. get over yourself. the chilli bowl is an off season meeting in the yanks winter(usually snow outside the building), so to expect a club in the other hemisphere to get their meeting to align with it is fairly ridiculous. our open window for dates is restricted enough as it is , accomadating local drivers and other local meetings, is, and should be, far more important than trying to fit in with a meeting in the u.s. Im sure ,that if your budget can stretch to spectating at the chilli bowl, it can also stretch to paying for a live feed from stratford. Having a bad day? It's not a matter of going to the chilli bowl, rather it's a matter of the potential quality of the field for a NZ championship. I do travel to many meetings but if your post is indicative of the welcome out of towners would get at Stratford, I'll not bother and you in turn won't miss me. But the meeting will be poorer without top NZ talent let alone any international drivers! |
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Post by woodart on May 25, 2018 15:44:09 GMT 12
the welcome that out of towners get at stratford has always been fantastic, same as most other country tracks. but, as at most other country tracks, they are looking at doing the best for the most amount of people, not just the half dozen who have the opportunity to race on the other side of the planet. in the big scheme of things, whether I will miss you isnt important....the stratford club also wont miss you. the only one to miss out will be you....You should try looking at the big picture, this is a great opportunity to grow the midget class outside of a track with a very limited future and only twelve race days allowed.
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Post by number1gopher on May 25, 2018 15:46:50 GMT 12
You can probably watch enough of the chillibowl when racing is finished at stratford
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Post by tonyr on May 25, 2018 16:53:12 GMT 12
the welcome that out of towners get at stratford has always been fantastic, same as most other country tracks. but, as at most other country tracks, they are looking at doing the best for the most amount of people, not just the half dozen who have the opportunity to race on the other side of the planet. in the big scheme of things, whether I will miss you isnt important....the stratford club also wont miss you. the only one to miss out will be you....You should try looking at the big picture, this is a great opportunity to grow the midget class outside of a track with a very limited future and only twelve race days allowed. Which is why they should schedule when the cream of NZ drivers are in the country. Are you implying I only go to Western Springs? I live in Tauranga and this past season have attended all springs meetings, all Baypark that didn't clash with WS, 3 Huntly, 2 Palmerston North and 1 Kihikihi. I think I do my bit supporting tracks! |
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Post by woodart on May 25, 2018 17:44:20 GMT 12
once again, I say, get over yourself. dont care about your spectating choice of venues. go back and read what I wrote. its NOT about you, its about a club doing the best for the majority, in a crowded and short season.
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Post by percy on May 25, 2018 19:35:08 GMT 12
once again, I say, get over yourself. dont care about your spectating choice of venues. go back and read what I wrote. its NOT about you, its about a club doing the best for the majority, in a crowded and short season. The Stratford club is in no way shape or form doing the best for the majority. When planning the season you start with the big events and then fit the smaller events around them. For the upcoming Stratford season the NZ Midget Title is the #2 event behind the NZ Stockcar Teams and the date for the event should reflect it's status on the Stratford calendar. There are a number of events to avoid when running the NZ Midget Title. The International Midget Series, Chili Bowl, NZ TQ Title, NZ Midget Title and the Australian Midget Title. From mid-January to the end of March there are approximately 10 weekends to choose from. The above events make up four weekends of racing and the NZ Stockcar Teams one. That leaves a choice of five weekends to run the title. You can't tell me Western Springs is clashing with all five weekends. There are other dates to run this title and such dates should be explored. It's not just the American drivers who won't be able to attend. If Michael Pickens gets offered the Swindell #39 again it would be impossible to say no. That would take away your main draw card and your main story line running into the title. Please note that any further personal attacks will be deleted and if required further action may be taken if members persist with personal attacks. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 20:45:23 GMT 12
Far i know Chilli Bowl dates are finalized for next season not long after current one.. where's NZ titles are put forward Snz after nz season winds up. Taking that into consideration why on earth would Club hosting not move the dates another weekend... surely not thats possible change for good of getting best available drivers for that.
I do believe Michael Pickens be back in the states for chilli bowl, unless those dates are changed likelihood of seeing Top 3 ranked drivers are impossible. until follow season Baypark speedway far i can see.
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Post by speedwayjunkie on May 25, 2018 20:59:04 GMT 12
Wow Tunnel vision
LOL "The Stratford club is in no way shape or form doing the best for the majority"
If the usual 30+ drivers attended then Stratford would be looking after the majority of midget drivers, 3 drivers are a minority unless only 5 drivers turn up then the 3 drivers become the majority.
That’s what my maths teacher taught me at school.
Why should Stratford change their date to suit the minority?
If this date did not suit say 5 of NZ’s other middle pack midget drivers would you be up in arms over this date or would you just say tough, take a concrete pill & get over it?
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Post by brettgrace on May 25, 2018 21:45:16 GMT 12
The Stratford club is in no way shape or form doing the best for the majority. -Dunno, been hearing a bit of dissent over this particular issue in recent years it might be the first truly "NZ" title we've run in recent memory. When planning the season you start with the big events and then fit the smaller events around them. For the upcoming Stratford season the NZ Midget Title is the #2 event behind the NZ Stockcar Teams and the date for the event should reflect it's status on the Stratford calendar. -Sure, if you are a stock car fan. For a midget fan the opposite is true. You can't argue perspective. There are a number of events to avoid when running the NZ Midget Title. The International Midget Series, Chili Bowl, NZ TQ Title, NZ Midget Title and the Australian Midget Title. From mid-January to the end of March there are approximately 10 weekends to choose from. The above events make up four weekends of racing and the NZ Stockcar Teams one. That leaves a choice of five weekends to run the title. You can't tell me Western Springs is clashing with all five weekends. There are other dates to run this title and such dates should be explored. -Well all domestic dates should be, but that's in the club's best interest and none of ours. As for international dates that's hardly Stratford's prerogative, if the travelling drivers place more importance on the Chili bowl or aussie title or what have you, that's their choice. It's a free world. It's not just the American drivers who won't be able to attend. If Michael Pickens gets offered the Swindell #39 again it would be impossible to say no. That would take away your main draw card and your main story line running into the title. -Yup for Michael's fans it's hardly an ideal situation, but neither the Club nor Michael can be blamed in this. If MP is offered a chili bowl ride and takes it up good for him, he has well and truly earned it. If he decides to stay and run the nz title, good for us. Please note that any further personal attacks will be deleted and if required further action may be taken if members persist with personal attacks. -Out of curiosity if I comment as a spectator am I exempt from this snz rule? |
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Post by woodart on May 25, 2018 22:01:25 GMT 12
Out of curiosity if I comment as a spectator am I exempt from this snz rule? haha, good one. I race at an outlaw track, so Im with you brett
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Post by percy on May 26, 2018 11:19:51 GMT 12
Personal attacks are not permitted as per the terms & conditions of this board. It is not a SNZ rule. As you are all aware this board is independent of our governing body.
speedwayjunkies argument is mythical because there is no opportunity cost to moving the date to one that works for everyone. You're arguing choosing a date that suits 30 drivers is better than choosing a date to suit 35 drivers with the additional 5 drivers being in or close to the world class category.
It's a bit like the first All Blacks test against France. The players in the domestic French final aren't playing in the first test. You can dress it up however you like but a fair dinkum test match it is not.
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Post by jimmyj on May 26, 2018 11:23:33 GMT 12
What is the point of having a NZ championship if the top contenders are not even going to be there ,What a joke .Hope you get plenty of spectators there ,>I think maybe struggle
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 12:04:37 GMT 12
....there is no opportunity cost to moving the date to one that works for everyone. Another post heavy on criticism and light on alternatives, as was this one. Hey Percy, great master, how putting forward your preferred 2018/19 Championship Dates - that will work for everyone? |
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Post by magilla on May 26, 2018 12:35:01 GMT 12
Next seasons New Zealand Midget car champs stratford clashes with Chilli Bowl nationals runs 14-19th January. wont see Michael Pickens or any American Drivers over here for that. which was stupid have this on weekend? did it just happen be coincidence of dates. it is supposed to be the Premiere event for the class. Drivers who run in the class in NZ need to decide what for them is their priority. The club when setting dates should not have to think about about one or two drivers (USA drivers should not even be a consideration) they need to look at the class as a whole. Why should one or two people have priority over everyone else? |
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