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Post by orapiuwharf on Nov 20, 2018 20:40:45 GMT 12
Whats the bet speedway stays at the springs for at least another 5 years or forever. Just like moving the Warriors out of Mount Smart did not work because it became too hard. Now moving the springs is becoming too hard and certain councillors will be too afraid to have the auditors hanging around if they are not sniffing the paperwork already. Even cricket dont want to go to the springs.
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Post by jimmyj on Nov 21, 2018 15:42:55 GMT 12
Seems to be that Phill Goff is the trouble there .Maybe get rid of him and it will be o k
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Post by woodart on Nov 21, 2018 17:45:59 GMT 12
Seems to be that Phill Goff is the trouble there .Maybe get rid of him and it will be o k that sort of thinking led to america voting in an orange haired moron.
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Post by Ned on Nov 21, 2018 18:06:35 GMT 12
Purely for interests sake... Stuff quotes Lendich as having millions invested in the sport. Where is this invested? I do look at how many people have a vested interest and wonder why all discussion seems to be between Council and SPL. Council are trying to sell a sport they don't own (who does). There are many stakeholders not the least of which are the punters
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Post by nakifans on Nov 22, 2018 3:44:27 GMT 12
Purely for interests sake... Stuff quotes Lendich as having millions invested in the sport. Where is this invested? I do look at how many people have a vested interest and wonder why all discussion seems to be between Council and SPL. Council are trying to sell a sport they don't own (who does). There are many stakeholders not the least of which are the punters So you are saying that if you go to a football match, concert etc you are a stakeholder. Punters while no sport or venue will survive without them have the least invested in what ever they are attending. Pay your entry fee and that's your start and finish of your investment . Landowners of the stadiums, team owners, sponsors are the true stakeholders of the sport. Lendich is a midget car team owner and probably pays for some of the overseas stars to drive so I class him and others like him true stakeholders . Jimmy J said Goff the problem, one of the articles states that he was the one plus his A team that were pushing for the Colin Dale deal. It was one of his A team that jumped to the B team that gave it the 11-10 vote to defer . Vote whoever in and they could be a tree hugger and anti fossil fuelled motorsport and speedway in Auckland could quickly disappear . It was the back room dealings and not being transparent with the stakeholders the ratepayers that caused this backlash plus the false costing's to secure the deal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 9:47:54 GMT 12
With the move being deferred to CDP, and the lease quickly running out for use of WS (with no extension as yet offered), I think now would be the time for the other tracks, WP and Huntly to take on an extra class (eg, Sprintcars at Huntly etc).
Watching the Finance & Performance meeting recording, it's one big clusterf*ck, everyone who spoke had their own agenda and reasons, both for and against the shift. It seemed they 'bamboozled' the councilors with going to technical.
Put it this way, Council ends up putting this in the "too hard basket", staying at the current venue isn't an option, and a new venue is out of the question, what's the plans for those who have money invested in cars etc, park them up, sell them because there's no track suitable for them? No they're gonna go race at another available track... People are way too precious in saying WS is the 'home' of open wheelers, they can run anywhere.
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Post by midway on Nov 22, 2018 10:01:51 GMT 12
Regardless of all the if,s buts ,and in between,s ,the open wheel section,of the sport will survive in Auckland .. Politic,s will insure this ...
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Post by hienekenno1 on Nov 22, 2018 10:07:47 GMT 12
Maybe the time now is to get the Meremere highbanks up and running again,heaps of motorsports going on all around that area,why cant a highbank speedway operate as well,i remember watching sprintcars and midgets there back in the Barry Butterworth days and it was very enjoyable,had a look at it back in September and even part of the fence is still up,alot of work to be done but we have got until 2020,just a thought.
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Post by bikeboy on Nov 22, 2018 10:27:11 GMT 12
Maybe the time now is to get the Meremere highbanks up and running again,heaps of motorsports going on all around that area,why cant a highbank speedway operate as well,i remember watching sprintcars and midgets there back in the Barry Butterworth days and it was very enjoyable,had a look at it back in September and even part of the fence is still up,alot of work to be done but we have got until 2020,just a thought. look into the reasons why it did not continue then, the same issues most likely exist today,
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Post by hienekenno1 on Nov 22, 2018 10:48:36 GMT 12
Maybe the time now is to get the Meremere highbanks up and running again,heaps of motorsports going on all around that area,why cant a highbank speedway operate as well,i remember watching sprintcars and midgets there back in the Barry Butterworth days and it was very enjoyable,had a look at it back in September and even part of the fence is still up,alot of work to be done but we have got until 2020,just a thought. look into the reasons why it did not continue then, the same issues most likely exist today, I think if it was run by the right people it could be successful,at the moment everyone travels down to the Meremere area for all kinds of motorsport,surly if a proper highbank speedway was operating with lights people would go down there,and you wouldn't have to worry about neighbours.
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Post by charlie on Nov 22, 2018 13:39:49 GMT 12
to me its a real opportunity for the people in speedway community that are on the anti SPL (buckley/mosen) bandwagon to now front up and put their money where their mouth is. This is their opportunity to take control of open wheel racing and the promotion of it within AKL, front up with 30MIL, build the track at CD and you can be assured council wont renew the lease at the springs to SPL.
My guess is none of this will happen, and we will be having this debate again in 5 years time and the cost of the whole deal will have sky rocketed further.
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Post by Geoff public on Nov 22, 2018 17:20:07 GMT 12
Purely for interests sake... Stuff quotes Lendich as having millions invested in the sport. Where is this invested? I do look at how many people have a vested interest and wonder why all discussion seems to be between Council and SPL. Council are trying to sell a sport they don't own (who does). There are many stakeholders not the least of which are the punters As a kid at Western Springs I remember Danny getting Barry Butterworth out of the clubrooms to sign my autograph book. Danny has made a significant investment in speedway over many years as well as running Lendich construction. The council also listened to him as a person responsible for hundreds of thousands of dollars in rates. He is, in this instance ideally placed to have an opinion worth considering.
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Post by sonic33 on Nov 22, 2018 21:54:26 GMT 12
Too many dodgy deals and personal agendas for me. Unfortunately this seems to be the way this sport works. This deal has to be one of the worst. They fight for western springs due to nostalgia, but behind the doors try to do a deal that sees them get a new speedway built at Colin Dale. This happened behind the scenes of those passionate about keeping speedway at western springs.
Not only do they want to move there but they want to have promotional rights for ever and a day. I know Buckley will front with money, but that should come up for tender at sumstage. The problem with tender is both council and Buckley have come up with the money for this project. Council bill is paid for by rate payers (easy money) Buckley can pay for the other portion as he is flush.
This is dirty politics and personal agendas at its best.
I would love to see the Councillors that oppose Colin Dale keep doing so, The budget has already blown out and the project hasn't even started. It is a deal with council (that rate payers can pay for that has heaps of cash) and a multi millionaire that has a passion for the sport and a budget to match.
Perhaps they should go and build a speedway somewhere on their own bucks and run it.
They fort hard out for western springs, but done a deal behind doors to sell out Springs
I hope WS falls over, and Colin Dale does to.
There was an oppertunity to put money into Wai Park, and all the personal agendas didn't want to do so. As things are going I would love to see West Springs fall over, and Colin Dale not get off the ground.
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Post by Rota on Nov 23, 2018 6:35:26 GMT 12
Face palm to the above comment.
The sooner Open wheel can get out of Springs over to Colin Dale the better. It has out grown the stadium & no doubts more restrictions will be added to make it harder for everyone including staff , drivers, crew & even supporters.
Defiantly not to wacky park that's for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2018 21:12:37 GMT 12
I agree tracks nowadays too small and flat. you could say the same about most tracks nz, are we going want remove them as well? As Ratepayer is speedway necessity in Auckland, thats the way ratepayers be feeling.. having compensate more money if colin dale park ever gets off the ground.. longer this plays out likelihood waikaraka park could be only option after 2019-20 season.
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Post by magilla on Nov 24, 2018 9:43:49 GMT 12
I agree tracks nowadays too small and flat. you could say the same about most tracks nz, are we going want remove them as well? As Ratepayer is speedway necessity in Auckland, thats the way ratepayers be feeling.. having compensate more money if colin dale park ever gets off the ground.. longer this plays out likelihood waikaraka park could be only option after 2019-20 season. sad but looking that way
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Post by midway on Nov 24, 2018 20:40:06 GMT 12
It is not a fore gone conclusion yet ,speculation just increases those who cant think past there nose ..
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Post by 🏁 on Nov 25, 2018 4:34:52 GMT 12
I think the real issue here is speedway being a pawn in a much larger game. As speedway enthusiasts I think we need to put the egos aside and actually discuss what is best for open wheel racing in Auckland. Whilst I agree with many of you with regards to the 'back door' dealings and how it was carried out I do believe (maybe slightly naively) the intention for Colin Dale was/is for the best interests for the future of speedway.
For me - the worst outcome is closing WS and getting forced to Waikaraka (with some investment.) I think this would be a lose-lose for both speedway parties and potentially would be a significant blow to speedway in Auckland. I think we should be fighting to ensure this doesn't happen and ensure that people who are passionate about speedway (this includes SPL, Danny Lendich and all speedway enthusiasts) are heavily involved in finding a solution for the future of speedway rather than these other people who are thinking bigger picture and likely don't have a real interest in the future of speedway. I think we want these key stakeholders involved and to continue investing in the sport.
I'm torn on the solution. Remain at WS - running as is (limited meetings, area for growth etc.) but maintain the history, atmosphere and benefit of the location which is fundamental for attracting bigger crowds. Alternatively, Build a purpose-built facility at CD where we can have a bigger, wider track with facilities that can ensure more meetings along with pit area, stands etc more suitable for racing. The nostalgia of WS is special and it would be a real shame to lose it but agree that speedway as we have it currently has outgrown the place. After watching a number of highlights videos of the tracks in the US, the racing they get over there is amazing. If you haven't seen the latest Turkey Night highlights with Larson/Bell - check it out!
The best case for me (and understandably highly unlikely) - Build a purpose-built facility at a suitable location (if CD can be solidified as the long term i.e. 30+ year) home of speedway in stages over the next 10 years. Spread the investment so its ongoing and and aim to get up and running by 2022 - with all stages completed in 2029. Remain at WS as is until CD is built running at both venues (say 20 total per season i.e. 10/10 first year but reducing meetings at WS each year) until full completion in 2029.
Speedway needs a long-term plan and I think SPL's strategy of getting out in front of it is a good idea rather than get dealt a hand we may not like.
A few questions that I think should be considered are..
Is the proposed location (CD) going to be attractive enough for non-speedway enthusiasts to come along for $XX/night.
What is the ideal number of meetings per season? If you have 20 meetings per season, do you have a similar number of fans total spread over more events?
Does increasing the number of meetings, decrease the numbers of total cars we have? Speedway is a very expensive sport and can people afford to be running 20 meetings a year in this climate?
If CD wasn't a suitable location, what are the other viable options?
How much would it cost to redevelop WS to meet the needs for the future of speedway?
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Post by magilla on Nov 25, 2018 10:17:13 GMT 12
while everyone would love to go back to 20 meetings a season I know many fans are pushing it to afford the meetings we have and when you look at car counts at the last couple of meetings at Western Springs each season you can see than many of the competitors are struggling as well.
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