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Post by percy on Feb 4, 2019 19:15:46 GMT 12
What's everyone's thoughts on this theory after the weekend's racing?
Was last year an anomaly or was this year the anomaly?
Would it be fair to say the theory has been straightlined?
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Post by BarryB on Feb 4, 2019 19:56:22 GMT 12
The lack of group racing does nothing for me personally. I prefer to see teams working their way through to Night 2 based on what they do against the teams they race, not have their qualifying (or not) determined by circumstances beyond their control. Having teams win 2/2 and not qualifying is a misnomer that shouldn't be able to happen. The 13 or 14 team format doesn't work for mine, and the teams that race later in the night (always the Panthers) have an huge advantage in that they know what they need to do to qualify.
Barry B
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Post by conrod on Feb 4, 2019 20:01:22 GMT 12
What's everyone's thoughts on this theory after the weekend's racing? Was last year an anomaly or was this year the anomaly? Would it be fair to say the theory has been straightlined? Im not really a fan off the seeded idea percy, i would like to see the draws done on the day so no team can pre plan drivers who start ,or get days to think events out ,i think it would be more by the seat off your pants driving if it was draw for order off groups then draw the first match ups , teams like the rebels get clobbered every year they win the first race then come up against a team that has not had race with fresh cars or is that the uneven format ??if it is then it should stop as its a uneven playing field |
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Post by 4zfed on Feb 4, 2019 20:16:23 GMT 12
The format definitely has its faults it's happened to both the Hawkeyes & Busters in the past..won 4 races & ended up not seeded yet last night the Panthers lost both races & are still seeded. The question is..is Bruce prepared to make changes to the model or not.
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Post by BarryB on Feb 4, 2019 20:17:17 GMT 12
You'd need 16 teams, 4 groups of 4, to avoid that in qualifying. So realistically you're always going to get a fresh team racing a team that's already raced.
Barry B
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Post by conrod on Feb 4, 2019 20:41:41 GMT 12
You'd need 16 teams, 4 groups of 4, to avoid that in qualifying. So realistically you're always going to get a fresh team racing a team that's already raced. Barry B Or 8 teams which i guess is why some people like the Auckland event better , i like palmy but it needs tweaking imho. Also if the super saloons series are a part off night 2 drop the general super stocks races so they get a fair go |
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Post by knownotmuch on Feb 4, 2019 20:54:55 GMT 12
I enjoyed the Teams Champ a lot and have no qualms about a team missing the semi's after winning two races or teams making it after only one win as has happened with groups. I am always going to support every team that enters, being able to race no matter what scenario it creates.
What Bruce is doing is obviously the right thing as the number of us that are there to watch clearly demonstrates.
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Post by go29 on Feb 4, 2019 21:11:35 GMT 12
12 teams is great, but could you imagine the uproar if teams got turned away? Like, if Nelson want to make a come back next year but are told no, sorry we are full... That's a situation I hope never happens
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Post by mordecai on Feb 4, 2019 21:15:03 GMT 12
12 teams is great, but could you imagine the uproar if teams got turned away? Like, if Nelson want to make a come back next year but are told no, sorry we are full... That's a situation I hope never happens yes I remember a few years back kihikihi got turned away |
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Post by maninstand on Feb 4, 2019 21:20:43 GMT 12
I think we still would of had the same action on night 1 even if there was groups. Finals night highlighted the gulf between the top 5 teams and Stratford just below and then a gap to the rest. I loved the meeting and when leiven was pumping the crowd up when the greens were still on was unreal.
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Post by Jeffery on Feb 4, 2019 21:22:14 GMT 12
12 teams is great, but could you imagine the uproar if teams got turned away? Like, if Nelson want to make a come back next year but are told no, sorry we are full... That's a situation I hope never happens Or if Nelson organised a team this year but got turned away... |
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Post by hbhornets on Feb 4, 2019 22:23:53 GMT 12
You'd need 16 teams, 4 groups of 4, to avoid that in qualifying. So realistically you're always going to get a fresh team racing a team that's already raced. Barry B we are not far away from that if tigwrs are back and 2k has a team. hawkes bay strong enough to feild two teams with reserves. just dont have the coin at this stage. 4 groups win every race and your the winner. no team will be able to win and not be knocked out. but the question is do people want a straight knock out comp. |
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Post by hbhornets on Feb 4, 2019 22:28:58 GMT 12
The format definitely has its faults it's happened to both the Hawkeyes & Busters in the past..won 4 races & ended up not seeded yet last night the Panthers lost both races & are still seeded. The question is..is Bruce prepared to make changes to the model or not. busters were seeded this year as they raced rebles and eagles both didnt make night two in 2018. |
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Post by 4zfed on Feb 5, 2019 6:19:26 GMT 12
They wernt seeded..but wereally the team that drew 2 unseeded teams. That's what you get with the 13 team comp.
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Post by Regan O'Brien on Feb 5, 2019 6:46:37 GMT 12
It was brought up in the managers meeting about going back to first over the line and only 12 teams, bloody great idea
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Post by graemeh on Feb 5, 2019 6:51:49 GMT 12
12 teams is great, but could you imagine the uproar if teams got turned away? Like, if Nelson want to make a come back next year but are told no, sorry we are full... That's a situation I hope never happens Or if Nelson organised a team this year but got turned away... And speaking of Nelson there was three Nelson cars there on the 2nd night consolation races. Whats with that? would have thought 2 ring-ins would have been possible. |
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Post by tank11 on Feb 5, 2019 7:09:14 GMT 12
It was brought up in the managers meeting about going back to first over the line and only 12 teams, bloody great idea As much as I didn't like the fact Giants come undone with this comp, I'd stick with the same. |
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Post by maninstand on Feb 5, 2019 7:18:46 GMT 12
Let's just do an actual draw where someone outside the money hungry palmy promotion are present and do it live on Facebook. I know regan probably can't say what the money is for appearance but it'd be interesting maybe it's time for the other clubs to band together on a few things as I'm sure with the 36k fans who pay on average 70 a night that equates to some serious coin.
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Post by graemeh on Feb 5, 2019 7:30:33 GMT 12
It was brought up in the managers meeting about going back to first over the line and only 12 teams, bloody great idea I totally agree with this, except restricting it to 12 teams. If you look at the results from the weekend and awarded one point only for a win we would have had four teams with two wins, they become the semi-finalists, five teams had one win so a run-off of one or two cars per team happens on the second night to get four teams for the second tier (one team gets eliminated). If more than four teams have two wins also have a run-off. Second night could also include a third tier and by the end of the night all teams would have an official placing. Given more time someone could sit down and look at the variables from first night results to avoid unforseen problems but working on the theory that places other than first are irrelevent. The draws for the second night match-ups are done on the infield at the end of the meeting or start of 2nd night. |
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Post by Tony on Feb 5, 2019 8:03:26 GMT 12
You'd need 16 teams, 4 groups of 4, to avoid that in qualifying. So realistically you're always going to get a fresh team racing a team that's already raced. Barry B Or 8 teams which i guess is why some people like the Auckland event better , i like palmy but it needs tweaking imho. Also if the super saloons series are a part off night 2 drop the general super stocks races so they get a fair go I completely disagree. We sold sponsorship packages for our team based on two nights of racing. If our guys hadn't been able to go out and race on Night Two, then sponsors would have every right to complain. Frankly, what needs to change is the Grand Parade. Team cars and drivers only, plus one tow car. It's a shambles now, with hangers-on (like me!), trucks etc etc, especially on Night Two, when they know they will run into time issues. Racing was supposed to start at 6.30pm on Sunday night, but it was 7pm before the first race came out. The BK Super Saloons are a fantastic spectacle, but as the commentators said on Sunday night, the track prep was done with teams racing in mind. The dust they kicked up was pretty substantial on Sunday night (I was watching from Turn 3, row C) and really detracted from the overall experience of the night, especially for those who aren't hardcore speedway fans. The format is what it is. Would people rather have thirteen teams, and thirteen races on the first night, or have a team miss out so that the field can be divided into four groups? |
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