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Post by John W. on Jun 12, 2019 18:56:42 GMT 12
Another suggestion for allocations - Tender
Tracks bid for the events. Bids are made up of prize money - entry fees are capped.
No track can have the same event 2 years in a row, and cannot have more than 1 NZ Champs, 1 NZ GP and 2 Island titles.
The allocations are done maybe 2 years ahead so everyone can plan.
Just a thought...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 20:03:06 GMT 12
Another suggestion for allocations - Tender Tracks bid for the events. Bids are made up of prize money - entry fees are capped. No track can have the same event 2 years in a row, and cannot have more than 1 NZ Champs, 1 NZ GP and 2 Island titles. The allocations are done maybe 2 years ahead so everyone can plan. Just a thought... Sounds like ask to the future to me, altho in reality when this system was in place it still loosely followed a rotation. I can't remember the year but I can recall the delegates rejecting a couple of jucy bids for Std/Stockcar Champs cause it "wasn't that tracks turn" |
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Post by The Observer on Jun 12, 2019 20:46:46 GMT 12
Re : Teams Champs Think your speaking out both sides of your mouths On one hand competitors raise minimum prize money On the other side Teams charging more for tickets. Where is the evidence of a correlation between a private promoter raising the prices, and paying more to the drivers? Be great to hear evidence of this altruism from a private promotion My comments about teams were about how the promotion tests the market every year with small increases, why don't the competitors do the same in the glamour classes for their champs by raising the minimum prize money needed to host it. I see the minisprints had done it this time around. I know what I'd be doing if I was a promoter in the minisprints rotation if this goes thru, and it would involve a bottle of twink. However 80%of the tracks in the Superstock rotation might decide its worth an extra $4k to stay in that rotation. Thanks for the insight. Does this mean mini sprints are in the same boat as Production saloons numbers wise, and at risk of losing their NZ title? And final question, with the cost rises at teams champs, are competitors getting paid more money? It’s probably a tough one to answer as I know different teams get paid different amounts. I always thought a bit more would be paid to those further away, but then I remember being given the heads up the Panthers used to get the most at 25k to show and the rest were between 10-15k. Always wondered why that was, but I guess the locals could run the numbers and, the promoter New a strong well funded home team helped get the casual locals out to the track forr a sell out. As an aside, with the price increase, what does the weekend bring in in tickets sales revenue alone now? Cheers ears |
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Post by Go Slideways on Jun 13, 2019 16:49:01 GMT 12
is it time for a nz ministock championship esp as numbers a huge now maybe a 3day championship or have track entry limit on some sort of season points
Are u on drugs? Its no secret that I think Youth Ministocks are a vital part of growing the sport, Scott Miers and Jordan Dare echoed these beliefs at the Palmy prize giving too. Ministocks in Paradise at Rotorua is a very highly sought after prize for these racers, and I think given the sheer number of them they probably could quite rightly justify having a NZ Champs. It wouldn't have to carry huge prize money but it could be a cool and profitable event for clubs to host. PS: percy do you know how many Youth Ministocks are SNZ registered ? |
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Post by mordecai on Jun 13, 2019 17:48:44 GMT 12
Its no secret that I think Youth Ministocks are a vital part of growing the sport, Scott Miers and Jordan Dare echoed these beliefs at the Palmy prize giving too. Ministocks in Paradise at Rotorua is a very highly sought after prize for these racers, and I think given the sheer number of them they probably could quite rightly justify having a NZ Champs. It wouldn't have to carry huge prize money but it could be a cool and profitable event for clubs to host. ministocks has been huge for nz speedway and growing the sport so maybe its time to reward ministocks with a nz title |
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Post by BarryB on Jun 13, 2019 18:12:35 GMT 12
Its no secret that I think Youth Ministocks are a vital part of growing the sport, Scott Miers and Jordan Dare echoed these beliefs at the Palmy prize giving too. Ministocks in Paradise at Rotorua is a very highly sought after prize for these racers, and I think given the sheer number of them they probably could quite rightly justify having a NZ Champs. It wouldn't have to carry huge prize money but it could be a cool and profitable event for clubs to host. ministocks has been huge for nz speedway and growing the sport so maybe its time to reward ministocks with a nz title That is exactly what has screwed so many other budget and/or entry-level classes. Yes, Youth Ministocks is one of our most popular and most important classes, and that's exactly why it should never have an official championship. It works more than fine the way it is. Having an NZ title for the class would not be a "reward" for the class. It'd be the first nail in the coffin. |
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Post by BarryB on Jun 13, 2019 18:14:26 GMT 12
How come the rotation for Superstocks isn't up for discussion? Thats bloody ridiculous, Baypark, Gisborne, Kihikihi don't get a go? Explain what you mean by "up for discussion". |
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Post by Go Slideways on Jun 13, 2019 18:43:13 GMT 12
ministocks has been huge for nz speedway and growing the sport so maybe its time to reward ministocks with a nz title That is exactly what has screwed so many other budget and/or entry-level classes. Yes, Youth Ministocks is one of our most popular and most important classes, and that's exactly why it should never have an official championship. It works more than fine the way it is. Having an NZ title for the class would not be a "reward" for the class. It'd be the first nail in the coffin. Curious - if the current restrictions on engines and set up that currently works fine remain unchanged, what is it that you think would change if there was a NZ Champs meeting Barry ? |
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Post by percy on Jun 13, 2019 20:59:34 GMT 12
PS: percy do you know how many Youth Ministocks are SNZ registered ? Looking back at the stats over the last six of so years the class has maintained 300-350 registered drivers per season |
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Post by hbhornets on Jun 13, 2019 21:10:03 GMT 12
That is exactly what has screwed so many other budget and/or entry-level classes. Yes, Youth Ministocks is one of our most popular and most important classes, and that's exactly why it should never have an official championship. It works more than fine the way it is. Having an NZ title for the class would not be a "reward" for the class. It'd be the first nail in the coffin. Curious - if the current restrictions on engines and set up that currently works fine remain unchanged, what is it that you think would change if there was a NZ Champs meeting Barry ? its motorsport. the more money you spend the faster you go. Ethan rees never won anything in a ministock. why because no money was spent keeping at the front of the field. he was there to have fun and learn how to drive. whole differant story when he gets to supers and stocks. he shows us just how good he really is. |
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Post by percy on Jun 13, 2019 21:11:17 GMT 12
Curious - if the current restrictions on engines and set up that currently works fine remain unchanged, what is it that you think would change if there was a NZ Champs meeting Barry ? You would not believe the amount of discussion the Youth Ministock class generates every AGM. Competitors, parents, engines, contact - the issues seem endless at times. I find it hard to see how a NZ title would do anything but exacerbate every issue the class already faces. Any such meeting is a massive task to organise and any club hosting such a meeting would make a substantial loss. |
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Post by BarryB on Jun 13, 2019 21:22:26 GMT 12
That is exactly what has screwed so many other budget and/or entry-level classes. Yes, Youth Ministocks is one of our most popular and most important classes, and that's exactly why it should never have an official championship. It works more than fine the way it is. Having an NZ title for the class would not be a "reward" for the class. It'd be the first nail in the coffin. Curious - if the current restrictions on engines and set up that currently works fine remain unchanged, what is it that you think would change if there was a NZ Champs meeting Barry ? If you think the money that some spend now is out of proportion for the class they race, imagine what the lure of a 1nz would do. And the cheating; there's already a certain number that get picked up at the likes of Ministocks in Paradise as it is, but with the lure of a 1nz? The difference in experience and maturity between a 12 year old and a 16 year old is absolutely massive. Safety could be an issue. And the pressure those parents are going to put on those little school kids. It's just unfair. But the single biggest thing is that this class was designed to teach 12-16 year olds how to drive. It's done a brilliant job of that. Adding a 1nz to some driver each season doesn't add anything to the class in my opinion, and could well detract from it. Barry B |
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Post by Go Slideways on Jun 13, 2019 23:52:42 GMT 12
Cheers for the feedback.
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Post by hienekenno1 on Jun 14, 2019 7:25:15 GMT 12
Curious - if the current restrictions on engines and set up that currently works fine remain unchanged, what is it that you think would change if there was a NZ Champs meeting Barry ? You would not believe the amount of discussion the Youth Ministock class generates every AGM. Competitors, parents, engines, contact - the issues seem endless at times. I find it hard to see how a NZ title would do anything but exacerbate every issue the class already faces. Any such meeting is a massive task to organise and any club hosting such a meeting would make a substantial loss. Yes the ministock at paradise meeting there is no one in the grandstands but it still a good class because without them we wouldn't have half the stars we have now and I did enjoy them at Napier at easter the first night lol,if you did have a nz title each track would have to have qualifying to see who can race in it or you could have 200 ministocks turn up, a pits parking nightmare at some tracks. |
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Post by mcfly on Jun 14, 2019 13:46:31 GMT 12
You would not believe the amount of discussion the Youth Ministock class generates every AGM. Competitors, parents, engines, contact - the issues seem endless at times. I find it hard to see how a NZ title would do anything but exacerbate every issue the class already faces. Any such meeting is a massive task to organise and any club hosting such a meeting would make a substantial loss. Yes the ministock at paradise meeting there is no one in the grandstands but it still a good class because without them we wouldn't have half the stars we have now What a load of round things. We had stars in all classes prior to mini stocks and we would continue to have stars in all classes if mini stocks didn't exist. To suugest half the stars we have now are a direct result of mini stocks is silly. Don't forget that quite a few of these stars are from speedway families so would likely have been involved anyway, just not from as early an age. |
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Post by tank11 on Jun 14, 2019 13:57:42 GMT 12
Yes the ministock at paradise meeting there is no one in the grandstands but it still a good class because without them we wouldn't have half the stars we have now What a load of round things. We had stars in all classes prior to mini stocks and we would continue to have stars in all classes if mini stocks didn't exist. To suugest half the stars we have now are a direct result of mini stocks is silly. Don't forget that quite a few of these stars are from speedway families so would likely have been involved anyway, just not from as early an age. But they got a good grounding in race craft due to ministocks? Then progressed rapidly in the adult ranks. Can't recall many "kids" from years gone by, that jumped into senior classes and competed at the top, first couple of years. |
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Post by mcfly on Jun 14, 2019 14:02:29 GMT 12
In my opinion, to take things probably a step to far for most, I think SNZ should take control of the major championships and for example run the NZ Superstock Champs at say Palmerston Nth every year. SNZ would pay P/Nth promotion a set fee to hire the track and with the profit from the meeting they would be in a position to make grants to other speedway tracks for improvements and re-development. It would be interesting exercise to calculate profits generated from individual tracks running an event versus Palmerston potential profits. A lot of tracks would max out at 5,000 spectators where as Palmy could potentially get 10,000 through the gate given its location. At $30.00 per head over say a 10 year period the extra profit could be as much as $3million. For other classes, eg Super Saloons and Sprint Cars Baypark may be the preferred venue. Not only could the extra revenue help other tracks but competitors could benefit from greater prizemoney and appearance money based on travel distance. I realise there are many reasons why this will probably never happen, but personally I would have preferred to have spent the last 10 years watching the NZ Champs at Palmy (I live in Auckland) than travel to 10 different tracks through-out NZ and be guaranteed all that a top notch stadium offers. All constructive criticism welcomed  I have been thinking the same thing for years. As for distribution of meeting profits, an easy solution is to pay each club based on the percentage of entrants that the club contributed to the event. The dollar value per car could be capped to ensure that SNZ retained some funds for say a development fund to assist clubs in other ways. Each club would then have a vested interest in promoting and building that class locally every year (rather than just every 5 - 10+ years) to ensure they were represented. Who really loses with a system like this? |
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Post by The Observer on Jun 14, 2019 21:36:41 GMT 12
In my opinion, to take things probably a step to far for most, I think SNZ should take control of the major championships and for example run the NZ Superstock Champs at say Palmerston Nth every year. SNZ would pay P/Nth promotion a set fee to hire the track and with the profit from the meeting they would be in a position to make grants to other speedway tracks for improvements and re-development. It would be interesting exercise to calculate profits generated from individual tracks running an event versus Palmerston potential profits. A lot of tracks would max out at 5,000 spectators where as Palmy could potentially get 10,000 through the gate given its location. At $30.00 per head over say a 10 year period the extra profit could be as much as $3million. For other classes, eg Super Saloons and Sprint Cars Baypark may be the preferred venue. Not only could the extra revenue help other tracks but competitors could benefit from greater prizemoney and appearance money based on travel distance. I realise there are many reasons why this will probably never happen, but personally I would have preferred to have spent the last 10 years watching the NZ Champs at Palmy (I live in Auckland) than travel to 10 different tracks through-out NZ and be guaranteed all that a top notch stadium offers. All constructive criticism welcomed I have been thinking the same thing for years. As for distribution of meeting profits, an easy solution is to pay each club based on the percentage of entrants that the club contributed to the event. The dollar value per car could be capped to ensure that SNZ retained some funds for say a development fund to assist clubs in other ways. Each club would then have a vested interest in promoting and building that class locally every year (rather than just every 5 - 10+ years) to ensure they were represented. Who really loses with a system like this? The fans of today but importantly the fans of tomorrow. You can’t ubderstimate how many casuals at different regions come to big meetings - and how many of those come back for more? |
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Post by beachboy on Jun 15, 2019 20:24:43 GMT 12
In my opinion, to take things probably a step to far for most, I think SNZ should take control of the major championships and for example run the NZ Superstock Champs at say Palmerston Nth every year. SNZ would pay P/Nth promotion a set fee to hire the track and with the profit from the meeting they would be in a position to make grants to other speedway tracks for improvements and re-development. It would be interesting exercise to calculate profits generated from individual tracks running an event versus Palmerston potential profits. A lot of tracks would max out at 5,000 spectators where as Palmy could potentially get 10,000 through the gate given its location. At $30.00 per head over say a 10 year period the extra profit could be as much as $3million. For other classes, eg Super Saloons and Sprint Cars Baypark may be the preferred venue. Not only could the extra revenue help other tracks but competitors could benefit from greater prizemoney and appearance money based on travel distance. I realise there are many reasons why this will probably never happen, but personally I would have preferred to have spent the last 10 years watching the NZ Champs at Palmy (I live in Auckland) than travel to 10 different tracks through-out NZ and be guaranteed all that a top notch stadium offers. The biggest hurdle is possibly having trust in SNZ or some promotional body to do it right for the benefit of all of Speedway and all members/competitors to agree. I seem to remember Rugby Union going through a faze where the system of individual unions having an equal say at board level was holding the sport back. All constructive criticism welcomed Having the NZ title at Palmy each year is not going to always turn a big profit. Yes teams champs is a major success there but that is because the spectators know they will see at least 20 top action races over the weekend. A NZ Superstock champs title will now only really give you 1 or 2 races with that same level of action. There is also the large fee that has to be paid to use the venue at palmy which is why the gate fee is already higher than most other tracks. Open wheel Tarmac racing in NZ have tried this with the NZ Grandprix at Manfield and had to slash weekend prices from $80 to $20 to try and get a crowd at this years event. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 16:02:47 GMT 12
Highly doubt Macgors forum be around 2035-36 let alone most the current posters lol
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