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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 16:16:09 GMT 12
Im mean really...what sort of a practice can you get in an hour or two if your new to the sport... one thing that grinds on me are the restrictions imposed by governing bodies over when the tracks can be used, what services must be on hand...its almost like you got to sneak in to your own club facility... can you just bowl up to your club on a tuesday and hire 50 laps...nah..ya cant..ridiculously enough...the ctra are as anal over it as the snz...
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Post by John W. on Oct 16, 2019 16:52:48 GMT 12
Welcome to current Occupational Health and Safety....Have a look at your local council park and how much it has changed...
Clubs pretty much must have a trained Media onsite whenever a car goes at full pace. The track also need to be prepared. Sometimes midweek it is left in a state that is not good to drive on, or in a state that they do not want anyone driving on it prior to it being rolled.
Unfortunately, it might be a case of buy a farm and bulldozed a track in one of the fields to test on...
Sorry...agree it would be nice to have the track open to all club members anytime they want to run, but the practicalities of this are non-existent.
John
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Post by showpony on Oct 16, 2019 16:54:28 GMT 12
Honestly have a think zitadel what's required to just run some laps at your local track ,track prep for a start you wouldn't be happy running on a goat track ambulance and fire staff just incase accidents occur like mark Costello rolling his car during practice over the weekend just gone which also required infield staff to right the vehicle using tractors also staff to open the facilities for your use in the first instance health and safety is huge these days even at work obviously snz wont look kindly for good reasons to if it was to the detriment of the organization
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Post by lorryathuntly on Oct 16, 2019 17:02:15 GMT 12
There are private tracks were this can be done
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 17:04:19 GMT 12
nah, patetonga refused to have the stockcar there last year..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 17:24:54 GMT 12
Honestly have a think zitadel what's required to just run some laps at your local track ,track prep for a start you wouldn't be happy running on a goat track ambulance and fire staff just incase accidents occur like mark Costello rolling his car during practice over the weekend just gone which also required infield staff to right the vehicle using tractors also staff to open the facilities for your use in the first instance health and safety is huge these days even at work obviously snz wont look kindly for good reasons to if it was to the detriment of the organization But do you think if a guy was there on his own or just with his team he would be pushing it as hard as on an official practice day, I dont..what I envisage is a guy testing his gear in full knowledge there isnt a team of nappie changers to look after its gender fluidity millenial butt, and that /it/he/she or all three of em would act responsibly. Further more, i would expect that on hiring the track for a session, you would be paying also for a tank load of water, so parts of the track could be moistened for set up purposes, and that the club tractor would be in the deal for such circumstances. Its true, what old dudes say, if we went to war with today's attitude we would all be speaking kraut... |
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Post by midway on Oct 16, 2019 17:40:32 GMT 12
Well it might be a case of finding out that how you allowed such activity on farm land ,and any other associated property to be used as entertainment or pleasure new rules now apply .
Court room cases are now very common ,breaching the new rules ,it is like a new tax ,that the house of the twisted faces in Wellington have implemented using Health & Safety ,and i only hope that the Speedway Sport ,Clubs And promoters certainly take it seriously ,as it will certainly bite you in there rrse if not ..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 19:22:50 GMT 12
Midway I have no freaking idea what you are talking about. Im guessing non farming activities on designated farm land?? Next thing i get is "new rules" jeez NZ is being filled up with new rules...jacinda's lefties love new rules
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Post by beachboy on Oct 16, 2019 19:44:15 GMT 12
Honestly have a think zitadel what's required to just run some laps at your local track ,track prep for a start you wouldn't be happy running on a goat track ambulance and fire staff just incase accidents occur like mark Costello rolling his car during practice over the weekend just gone which also required infield staff to right the vehicle using tractors also staff to open the facilities for your use in the first instance health and safety is huge these days even at work obviously snz wont look kindly for good reasons to if it was to the detriment of the organization But do you think if a guy was there on his own or just with his team he would be pushing it as hard as on an official practice day, I dont..what I envisage is a guy testing his gear in full knowledge there isnt a team of nappie changers to look after its gender fluidity millenial butt, and that /it/he/she or all three of em would act responsibly. Further more, i would expect that on hiring the track for a session, you would be paying also for a tank load of water, so parts of the track could be moistened for set up purposes, and that the club tractor would be in the deal for such circumstances. Its true, what old dudes say, if we went to war with today's attitude we would all be speaking kraut... Lol @zitadel you say the driver won't be pushing it as hard as an official practice day but you still want a tanker of water to put moisture in to the track for set up purposes. Also if you are new to the sport then it's in your own interest to have all the infield safety crew there as you are new and don't know you or your cars limits and that is the whole idea of a practice. dahhh! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2019 20:22:53 GMT 12
who said hire of facilities was limited to new drivers?
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Post by woodart on Oct 17, 2019 16:03:21 GMT 12
nah, patetonga refused to have the stockcar there last year.. why? |
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Post by Regan O'Brien on Oct 17, 2019 17:53:54 GMT 12
The best practice is on race night. Going out during the week is more than a tractor and a water truck fill of water to test a set up or get more practice.
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Post by speedinaway on Oct 17, 2019 18:10:57 GMT 12
The best practice is on race night. Going out during the week is more than a tractor and a water truck fill of water to test a set up or get more practice. And an Ambo, SNZ officials, flag marshalls, gate staff, fire crew, towie.... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 19:05:07 GMT 12
fair enough
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Post by theycallmewade on Oct 17, 2019 21:50:29 GMT 12
I actually agree with Zitadel in principle, and acknowledge the comment from others as to why full race conditions practice and testing is not happening. I think it should happen, as a driver thrown straight into Super Saloons I have spent the last 4 seasons trying to stay out of other drivers way and not make mistakes during race nights. These days, race nights are are hard place to learn and develop the skills to compete.
Personally as a new driver, I would have benefited greatly from a few 'mentoring nights; on a race prepared practice track.
Yes this comes down to having the full compliment of safety, ambo, infield fire marshals etc. on site, but perhaps the first season practice could be seen as a 'soft opening' where this is all in place and the PA team tests the music and commentators and everything is run through and tested so opening night to the paying public runs well. Key thing for drivers is practice on a night time race prepared track.
If venues have enough consented 'meetings' to allow a few more practice / test and tune nights then this would be very beneficial to all competitors right from newbies up to seasoned campaigners getting ready to head off to national championships.
Competitors already pay ambulance fees at the gate and I believe if these nights were on a the calendar there would be more than enough competitors turning up to cover costs. The harder part is covering costs of the infield staff, fire crews, track prep and everybody else.
The answer to this is more bums on seats at race nights for clubs to offset the cost of competitor needs, or an elevated cost of membership. More bums on seats is driven by the quality of the show, and that needs new blood coming in and doing well on the track. chicken and egg.
That's why I think Zitadel is right. Our sport is costly and takes commitment. Even with the support and mentor I have, I have found it difficult and challenging. The more we can do to help and mentor new drivers the better we will be as a sport.
Imagine if clubs assigned seasoned drivers to new mini stock or 1/4 midget mums, dads and kids and just helped them with tire pressures and set up how helpful that would be to the new blood and make them feel like they are part of the family. I know a lot of people do this anyway off their own backs. But organizing this effort and providing track nights just for practice would be very positive in my view.
It could only happen at venues that have spare capacity on consented event days, but maybe they could look at being regional centres that can offer this and work with other clubs and organisations on cost?
No doubt, it would benefit our sport and the next generation that puts bums on seats. Surely there are answers and not road blocks if we think about it.
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Post by Regan O'Brien on Oct 18, 2019 7:46:39 GMT 12
So having a "mentoring night" that you are talking about would that be one car on the track at once or 7-8 cars on the track at once? As the cost are not cheap to run the track for 1 night and would need to be split between drivers. I know the money they get for the ambo on the night doesnt even cover there cost it's only about half.
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Post by midway on Oct 18, 2019 18:30:53 GMT 12
A few moons ago at Waikaraka park on Sunday afternoon was a mentoring program for ministock drivers and on the Monday night was practice for all grades with even a few western springs guys joining in ..
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Post by Go Slideways on Oct 18, 2019 19:38:14 GMT 12
We're pretty fortunate to have Harrisville where I live, there was a practice day with around 40 cars from Peter Rees Superstock to newbie Ministocks, and Sidecars on the inner track last Sunday, but its too wet this week.
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