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Post by BarryB on Feb 29, 2020 22:46:36 GMT 12
Will you go if it's the same format as this year? Barry B I don't think that will be an issue. Like I say Welly does things proper like. Question completely evaded like a true politician. Maybe you will be Prime Minister one day..... Barry B |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 22:48:46 GMT 12
I don't think that will be an issue. Like I say Welly does things proper like. Question completely evaded like a true politician. Maybe you will be Prime Minister one day..... Barry B I had a good teacher 😜 Also Mr Brown, while I'm at it. Which of the top 4 teams would you say hasn't earned the right to be called top 4 right now? Dunno. What event are we talking about? Who's there? Who's winning? Who's losing? I'm talking in general terms for this type of event, not specifically this weekend's event. Barry B |
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Post by tony27 on Feb 29, 2020 23:04:34 GMT 12
The real issue is the Stratford car attacking off the grass I'd say.... Actually took to the grass to avoid being attacked first before making the attack on the same car straight away from the grass |
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Post by tony27 on Feb 29, 2020 23:10:12 GMT 12
So why did N car get pulled for at the start? Best we could guess at the track was backing up to try & unbox himself at the start, couldn't have been anything else as he didn't even get to the first corner |
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Post by tiroto on Mar 1, 2020 6:34:07 GMT 12
Congratulations Wellington undefeated all weekend well done - too strong in the final! What a great concept the winner takes the event to home track - fresh ideas, culture, commentary etc. Now the only challenge is gonna be hard to beat that Wellington team! My drive of the weekend tier 1: Jensen winning drive v Rotorua in quarters fantastic!  Biggest surprise of the tournament: the lack of rollovers! |
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Post by tank11 on Mar 1, 2020 8:12:34 GMT 12
So why did N car get pulled for at the start? Best we could guess at the track was backing up to try & unbox himself at the start, couldn't have been anything else as he didn't even get to the first corner If anyone finds out, please post. My hunch is the shots on front car, but why? In a teams race, starts are when the flag drops, no need to cross the line. |
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Post by joelh515 on Mar 1, 2020 11:53:02 GMT 12
My assumption would be the backing out and then driving forward hitting the car in front, backing out and hitting the car in front, and then backing out and hitting the car in front. Happy to be corrected if otherwise though!
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Post by go29 on Mar 1, 2020 15:02:26 GMT 12
Rammer can run his format next year. As said earlier I have naff all say in it but Wellington doesn't do mediocrity, so I have full confidence it will be run properly After the way you have run down the Stratford promotion and how they were running the event, you'd best hope Wellington does something incredible next season! I think the format was fine - the racing was awesome and anyone who is a true teams racing fan with the means to be there (because it was pretty steep to get in!) would have been there. The two things that got me a bit frustrated were having to watch the same support class 2 nights in a row and on the finals night when I've paid good money to be there, having to watch 1 superstock do laps.. I think Stratford have done a great job over the last 2 seasons, and for a track basically on a main highway, they always do a great job with traffic management, but OMG I am glad I don't have to sit in that grandstand again next year! Would it be the most uncomfortable in the country?  |
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Post by woodart on Mar 1, 2020 15:22:16 GMT 12
yes, for the money charged, it was fairly poor to have one superstock doing hot laps ,twice! happy with the format, with an uneven number of teams ,the format is always going to be tricky. very happy that there were teams races only, as consolation races usually are a bore.
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Post by quin10 on Mar 1, 2020 15:23:35 GMT 12
As said earlier I have naff all say in it but Wellington doesn't do mediocrity, so I have full confidence it will be run properly After the way you have run down the Stratford promotion and how they were running the event, you'd best hope Wellington does something incredible next season! I think the format was fine - the racing was awesome and anyone who is a true teams racing fan with the means to be there (because it was pretty steep to get in!) would have been there. The two things that got me a bit frustrated were having to watch the same support class 2 nights in a row and on the finals night when I've paid good money to be there, having to watch 1 superstock do laps.. I think Stratford have done a great job over the last 2 seasons, and for a track basically on a main highway, they always do a great job with traffic management, but OMG I am glad I don't have to sit in that grandstand again next year! Would it be the most uncomfortable in the country? Well mabe if someone like Bruce Robertson promoted the track you wouldn't have to sit in a uncomfortable stand. But then you would be complaining about something else cos that seems to be all you like to do. |
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Post by go29 on Mar 1, 2020 15:34:28 GMT 12
After the way you have run down the Stratford promotion and how they were running the event, you'd best hope Wellington does something incredible next season! I think the format was fine - the racing was awesome and anyone who is a true teams racing fan with the means to be there (because it was pretty steep to get in!) would have been there. The two things that got me a bit frustrated were having to watch the same support class 2 nights in a row and on the finals night when I've paid good money to be there, having to watch 1 superstock do laps.. I think Stratford have done a great job over the last 2 seasons, and for a track basically on a main highway, they always do a great job with traffic management, but OMG I am glad I don't have to sit in that grandstand again next year! Would it be the most uncomfortable in the country? Well mabe if someone like Bruce Robertson promoted the track you wouldn't have to sit in a uncomfortable stand. But then you would be complaining about something else cos that seems to be all you like to do. Lol wow, apologies for hitting a nerve there. Felt like my comment is fairly balanced with positives and negatives so I wouldn't say I'm a serial complainer.. the grandstand comment was just a bit of a joke really. Felt like I'd done a nights teams racing myself after sitting with my feet up around my neck and someone's knee in my back two nights in a row  Pretty sure Bruce promotes Meeanee and Waikaraka and I'm not sure they are the most comfortable of venues either? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 15:54:14 GMT 12
As said earlier I have naff all say in it but Wellington doesn't do mediocrity, so I have full confidence it will be run properly After the way you have run down the Stratford promotion and how they were running the event, you'd best hope Wellington does something incredible next season! I think the format was fine - the racing was awesome and anyone who is a true teams racing fan with the means to be there (because it was pretty steep to get in!) would have been there. The two things that got me a bit frustrated were having to watch the same support class 2 nights in a row and on the finals night when I've paid good money to be there, having to watch 1 superstock do laps.. I think Stratford have done a great job over the last 2 seasons, and for a track basically on a main highway, they always do a great job with traffic management, but OMG I am glad I don't have to sit in that grandstand again next year! Would it be the most uncomfortable in the country? OK, let's try and straighten things out... As already said I have bugger all to do with it, and that bugger all is even less next season, but I do know that those entrusted with the running of next year's event will do a great job and make it as good as it can be. The Wellington club and its events are run by ppl far better at doing it than I would be Its little things like not running classic Stockcars two nights in a row. Having a decent tier two event. Not just three teams, but one worth winning. Back when I did have something to do with it, we really focused on the tier two event with a decent prize that could be displayed and the kudos that it deserves. Auckland won it, and although the team is much different now I beleive that plate win gave them the belief that they can do better than the average results they had been getting. That change of mindset I believe set them up to be the team they are now. Stratford were another team that benefited from things like that, along with keeping a stable team and doing a heap of racing. I honestly believe those later years that Wellington ran the event were value for money,and an event worth going to. The way it worked out one year I think there were 28 teams races over the weekend when we ran a plate & a bowl (tier two & three). Remember when Blenheim & Gizzy (pre Rees era) were semi finalists? Some say Wellington took it for granted, but I can assure you during the time I was inside the tent at Wellington, that was never the case. As for this year's event at Stratford, I make no apology if anyone thought I was running them down. I found it incredibly frustrating that an event I love was being run in a way that I thought it wasn't worth going to. While I don't think you should crowd source the running of events like this, a club or organisation would be silly to not listen to the ideas and/or concerns of those who pay their money at the gate, whilst still remembering the teams who have to go out there and race the event. As a spectator I never expect everything I want in a meeting but I do have a few bottom lines as I've got older, and maybe grumpier. When it comes to this meeting the format is definitely one of those. I know tho, that having watched it on the live stream that I missed being there far more than the event missed me. In short, if I beleive that next year is being run in a wanky kind of way then yes I will certainly be as vocal, but as said previously, I have full faith it will be run right. Hope that adds some clarity to where I am coming from. Right oh you haters, let's hear from Y'all |
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Post by quin10 on Mar 1, 2020 16:06:53 GMT 12
Well mabe if someone like Bruce Robertson promoted the track you wouldn't have to sit in a uncomfortable stand. But then you would be complaining about something else cos that seems to be all you like to do. Lol wow, apologies for hitting a nerve there. Felt like my comment is fairly balanced with positives and negatives so I wouldn't say I'm a serial complainer.. the grandstand comment was just a bit of a joke really. Felt like I'd done a nights teams racing myself after sitting with my feet up around my neck and someone's knee in my back two nights in a row Pretty sure Bruce promotes Meeanee and Waikaraka and I'm not sure they are the most comfortable of venues either? I think everyone was in the same boat there. No one rally had a comfortable seat it's a bit of a can of sardines at this event and it makes it worse when people try and claim their territory and then only fill half of it then abuse the nuts out of anyone who lays half a cheek on it. If it wasnt for the odd event like this the club woulnt be able to upgrade its facility's so they make the most of it by charging a little extra. I'm pretty sure they were at a great loss last year for gate sales making it a one day event too |
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Post by quin10 on Mar 1, 2020 16:08:59 GMT 12
Lol wow, apologies for hitting a nerve there. Felt like my comment is fairly balanced with positives and negatives so I wouldn't say I'm a serial complainer.. the grandstand comment was just a bit of a joke really. Felt like I'd done a nights teams racing myself after sitting with my feet up around my neck and someone's knee in my back two nights in a row Pretty sure Bruce promotes Meeanee and Waikaraka and I'm not sure they are the most comfortable of venues either? I think everyone was in the same boat there. No one rally had a comfortable seat it's a bit of a can of sardines at this event and it makes it worse when people try and claim their territory and then only fill half of it then abuse the nuts out of anyone who lays half a cheek on it. If it wasnt for the odd event like this the club woulnt be able to upgrade its facility's so they make the most of it by charging a little extra. I'm pretty sure they were at a great loss last year for gate sales making it a one day event too and don't quote me on it but I'm sure half the money goes to a and p because they own the land. |
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Post by woodart on Mar 1, 2020 17:02:12 GMT 12
I hadnt been to stratford since last century, but was disappointed, but not surprised, that the dreaded blue plastic tarps still are in use.
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Post by youngone on Mar 1, 2020 17:40:41 GMT 12
Best we could guess at the track was backing up to try & unbox himself at the start, couldn't have been anything else as he didn't even get to the first corner If anyone finds out, please post. My hunch is the shots on front car, but why? In a teams race, starts are when the flag drops, no need to cross the line. As a spectator This is one thing that really winds me up. Wouldn’t you think that the officials would let the commentator know why a car has been taken off the track, or anything else that officials have deemed needing to be done. If they don’t wouldn’t you expect the commentator to have someone who can go over and ask why is the car been taken off? How many times have I sat n the crowd and seen a car taken to the infield by officials and no one has any idea why it has happened. (When I watch live rugby I plug one ear into the radio commentary so I know what is happening on the field and what the referee has decided) So officials and commentators need to realise that the paying public would like to know what’s happening. |
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Post by BarryB on Mar 2, 2020 1:26:58 GMT 12
You've written a lot of words Rammerstein, a LOT of words, and many of them good. However!! You've been on and on over the past week about not promoting mediocrity, yet one of the reasons you quote for wanting less teams through to the finals is to make the second tier stronger? With no offence intended to any teams that finish up there in any given year, isn't that where the mediocre teams of any particular season finishes up? To promote the best you want the best out there beating the best, and an 8 teams finals does just that. It takes away the luck of the draw, when any one team only races two of the other 10 teams present. We don't have the luxury of all 11 teams racing each other once, then taking the top 4. But with 8 finalists, if a team can come from 8th to win, that is what I'd call a victory. Get 14 teams next year and you can have an 8 team final and a meaningful 6 team second tier. Here Endeth my contribution to NZ Stockcar Teams 2021.
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Post by BarryB on Mar 2, 2020 1:32:23 GMT 12
If anyone finds out, please post. My hunch is the shots on front car, but why? In a teams race, starts are when the flag drops, no need to cross the line. As a spectator This is one thing that really winds me up. Wouldn’t you think that the officials would let the commentator know why a car has been taken off the track, or anything else that officials have deemed needing to be done. If they don’t wouldn’t you expect the commentator to have someone who can go over and ask why is the car been taken off? How many times have I sat n the crowd and seen a car taken to the infield by officials and no one has any idea why it has happened. (When I watch live rugby I plug one ear into the radio commentary so I know what is happening on the field and what the referee has decided) So officials and commentators need to realise that the paying public would like to know what’s happening. Agreed. And it's always interesting how different tracks handle that. I've been at one teams meeting where the SNZ head referee on the night went up to the commentary box before the meeting to offer information to the commentator on an contention issues over the weekend. The ref said "just send somebody over if there's anything you want to know". The commentator's response was "that won't work, you'll have to bring the information to me". So the crowd got nothing. So at some tracks, like Rotorua, you'll get every important decision basically as it's made, while other venues give the fans nothing. On teams racing especially, the fans need to know to understand what is gong on. Barry B |
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Post by knownotmuch on Mar 2, 2020 10:18:07 GMT 12
You've written a lot of words Rammerstein, a LOT of words, and many of them good. However!! You've been on and on over the past week about not promoting mediocrity, yet one of the reasons you quote for wanting less teams through to the finals is to make the second tier stronger? With no offence intended to any teams that finish up there in any given year, isn't that where the mediocre teams of any particular season finishes up? To promote the best you want the best out there beating the best, and an 8 teams finals does just that. It takes away the luck of the draw, when any one team only races two of the other 10 teams present. We don't have the luxury of all 11trams racing each other once, then taking the top 4. But with 8 finalists, if a team can come from 8th to win, that is what I'd call a victory. Get 14 teams next year and you can have an 8 team final and a meaningful 6 team second tier. Here Enders my contribution to NZ Stockcar Teams 2021. Barry B Over the years I have had many speedway conversations with Mr Jam and very often are in very close agreement, however concerning Stockcar teams formats I feel Barry is the wise one rather than the formerly wise Rammers. I think top eight quarterfinals not only gives teams that have had a 50/50 call go against them a chance at redemption, but put those that have got to the top with the easiest of draws and those with the nightmare draw back on an even footing. I hope Wellington continue with the Quarterfinal format. But however they decide to go I am sure every effort will be made to ensure a great event for all teams and spectators. |
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Post by gladman on Mar 2, 2020 10:42:29 GMT 12
My first Stockcar teams champs after attending Palmy teams for years and agree that the quarterfinal format offers something extra on night 2. Noone could argue that the teams in the bottom tier were the poorer performing teams over the weekend and you could spread a blanket over the rest in the top 8 with the exception of Wellington who were a class above. Beating all 3 of the other teams in the top 4 over the course of the weekend (twice in Rotoruas case) is a massive statement! Enjoyed the format overall but do hope more teams front up next year to have a more meaningful tier 2.
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