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Post by fanforlife on Feb 8, 2021 9:39:36 GMT 12
For 85% of the time I would say Videohub stepped up enormously from previous efforts. Still a bit random with some of the camera shots though and that bloody outage just before the final was way too stressful whatever the reason was for it. Still I was glad to have access to the best Superstock show in the world and will happily log in again next year. Well done Videohub. Hopefully next year I will be able to say very well done. totally agree |
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Post by bernie on Feb 8, 2021 11:43:22 GMT 12
For 85% of the time I would say Videohub stepped up enormously from previous efforts. Still a bit random with some of the camera shots though and that bloody outage just before the final was way too stressful whatever the reason was for it. Still I was glad to have access to the best Superstock show in the world and will happily log in again next year. Well done Videohub. Hopefully next year I will be able to say very well done. totally agree As do I. As a tip, have found dropping chromecast in favour of an HDMI cable direct from the lap top/PC to TV, solved a lot of roblems. |
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Post by booma on Feb 8, 2021 13:41:39 GMT 12
I don't understand why in this day and age it costs $60 A NIGHT to watch a live stream of a sporting event, which is getting more expensive each year. For that price you would expect top tier camera and production to be top tier, especially after how long they have been livestreaming the event. Not only that, it seems like you have to pay another $25 to RENT the same night you just watched. (Unless I has missed somthing here)
If people don't speak up, they will try and squeeze as much as they can out of loyal speedwayfans.
The poor camera work was the big kicker for me. Often times it was easier to listen to the commentator than what we were seeing on screen. Too many times did they follow a car for laps who had no one around them, and when they came up to a block car it would cut away, and miss the action completely.
The stability/focus of some of the cameras at times was pretty bad.
Why is there no lap scoring on screen in this day and age? It would help a lot with whats going on, especially for newer people to speedway (Although the price of the stream is probably keeping most of these newer people away)
If bandwidth is a big factor for the cost of the stream, there are plenty of other livestreaming platforms out there such as Youtube they could use, who will allow them to stream on their platform for free. Still allowing them to put the stream behind a paywall if they wish, and also run ads and allow for donations during streaming, as well as live chat. (Which is a great way for people to have some interaction with the stream if they wish). Live streams are also archived by Youtube so the users can view it when ever they want. That is just an example of the possibilities of live streaming, and hopefully keeping prices down.
These reasons and more is why I only streamed the first night with my family. Hopefully with the technology available now, streaming improves greatly for speedway, at an affordable price.
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Post by Admin on Feb 8, 2021 14:20:34 GMT 12
I don't understand why in this day and age it costs $60 A NIGHT to watch a live stream of a sporting event, which is getting more expensive each year. For that price you would expect top tier camera and production to be top tier, especially after how long they have been livestreaming the event. Not only that, it seems like you have to pay another $25 to RENT the same night you just watched. (Unless I has missed somthing here) If people don't speak up, they will try and squeeze as much as they can out of loyal speedwayfans. The poor camera work was the big kicker for me. Often times it was easier to listen to the commentator than what we were seeing on screen. Too many times did they follow a car for laps who had no one around them, and when they came up to a block car it would cut away, and miss the action completely. The stability/focus of some of the cameras at times was pretty bad. Why is there no lap scoring on screen in this day and age? It would help a lot with whats going on, especially for newer people to speedway (Although the price of the stream is probably keeping most of these newer people away) If bandwidth is a big factor for the cost of the stream, there are plenty of other livestreaming platforms out there such as Youtube they could use, who will allow them to stream on their platform for free. Still allowing them to put the stream behind a paywall if they wish, and also run ads and allow for donations during streaming, as well as live chat. (Which is a great way for people to have some interaction with the stream if they wish). Live streams are also archived by Youtube so the users can view it when ever they want. That is just an example of the possibilities of live streaming, and hopefully keeping prices down. These reasons and more is why I only streamed the first night with my family. Hopefully with the technology available now, streaming improves greatly for speedway, at an affordable price. Quite simple really, the promotion of the track sets the price and the rule of thumb used usually sets it at the same price as a ticket at the gate. It has nothing much to do with the cost of running the stream but more to do with not encouraging people to not attend at the track. Also to consider is that the streaming company wants to make a few dollars as does the promotion and no doubt the council and tax dept have a dip into it as well. If I was running the show and taking into consideration the place was a sell out this weekend I think I would be leaning toward upping the prices a bit for next year. Just got to be careful not to kill the golden goose. |
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Post by booma on Feb 8, 2021 14:46:27 GMT 12
I don't understand why in this day and age it costs $60 A NIGHT to watch a live stream of a sporting event, which is getting more expensive each year. For that price you would expect top tier camera and production to be top tier, especially after how long they have been livestreaming the event. Not only that, it seems like you have to pay another $25 to RENT the same night you just watched. (Unless I has missed somthing here) If people don't speak up, they will try and squeeze as much as they can out of loyal speedwayfans. The poor camera work was the big kicker for me. Often times it was easier to listen to the commentator than what we were seeing on screen. Too many times did they follow a car for laps who had no one around them, and when they came up to a block car it would cut away, and miss the action completely. The stability/focus of some of the cameras at times was pretty bad. Why is there no lap scoring on screen in this day and age? It would help a lot with whats going on, especially for newer people to speedway (Although the price of the stream is probably keeping most of these newer people away) If bandwidth is a big factor for the cost of the stream, there are plenty of other livestreaming platforms out there such as Youtube they could use, who will allow them to stream on their platform for free. Still allowing them to put the stream behind a paywall if they wish, and also run ads and allow for donations during streaming, as well as live chat. (Which is a great way for people to have some interaction with the stream if they wish). Live streams are also archived by Youtube so the users can view it when ever they want. That is just an example of the possibilities of live streaming, and hopefully keeping prices down. These reasons and more is why I only streamed the first night with my family. Hopefully with the technology available now, streaming improves greatly for speedway, at an affordable price. Quite simple really, the promotion of the track sets the price and the rule of thumb used usually sets it at the same price as a ticket at the gate. It has nothing much to do with the cost of running the stream but more to do with not encouraging people to not attend at the track. Also to consider is that the streaming company wants to make a few dollars as does the promotion and no doubt the council and tax dept have a dip into it as well. If I was running the show and taking into consideration the place was a sell out this weekend I think I would be leaning toward upping the prices a bit for next year. Just got to be careful not to kill the golden goose. Making such a great event/sport more accessible would help grow that golden goose even more. Keeping a stream price the same as gate prices is something that I can't really get behind, as the atmosphere of being there is a huge part of the overall experience. For example you wouldn't pay a concerts entry fee to watch a stream of it instead. Streaming being more accessible would help grow the event. If a person enjoys the livestream event, it's possible the year after they would want to be apart of it themselves. As you said the venue is already sold out, so why not reduce the streaming fee? The stadium has a capacity limit, but streaming doesn't. For the good of the sport, it would be better to get more people watching, than try and milk as much as you can from your already loyal fans. The more speedway fans the better. |
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Post by Wildcat on Feb 8, 2021 15:11:19 GMT 12
Camera work was total crap All over the place Stream was stable Your paying $60 bucks for second rate production
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Post by Go Slideways on Feb 8, 2021 15:29:57 GMT 12
Without any research that I know of, anecdotally its possible that more than 1 person watched the live stream at a time, like if 2 people watched it at home it'd be $30 chipped in each... 4 people $15 chipped in each etc.
I thnk the big screen points standings could be good, personally I'd like to see the race order for when I lose track of who's winning lol, but I suppose the drivers would like to glance at that too and it might make it a bit unfair.
Overall a fantastic event again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2021 15:52:23 GMT 12
Unfortunately booma, it's the old theory v reality thing. What you suggest sounds good in theory, but doesn't work in reality. Quite some time ago there was a train of thought that said if you put our sport in front of sports fans those who wouldn't know a Stockcar from their elbow will suddenly realise what they have been missing and the venues will be packed week in, week out. Some ppl have spent REAL big money on making high quality shows (someone will have to remind me what the Ian Rawkins show was called), and got them on sky sports in prime time. The TAB also invested big time and threw their trackside TV resources behind another high quality show with professional anchors and comentators. What happened? The die hard turned in and loved it, those with a passing interest had a bit of a look and said it's not as good as being there, and stopped watching. The rest (the majority) that couldn't care about Speedwaay reached for the remote. The fact is that only the die hard will ever buy the stream. Sure you might sell a few more streams at a cheaper price, same as you might sell a few more tickets at the gate at a cheaper price. It's like anything tho the seller sets the price as high as he thinks he can that a critical mass will still pay. TBH I wouldn't have paid $10 for the stream on the weekend but if I had more confidence in VH I prob would have paid more than they were asking. My original plan was not to go, until VH gave me reason to burn the last few inches of confidence I had in them. So I went and brought $190 tickets to cover both nights. If you didn't like the price, you shouldn't have paid it. |
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Post by booma on Feb 8, 2021 16:38:02 GMT 12
Unfortunately booma , it's the old theory v reality thing. What you suggest sounds good in theory, but doesn't work in reality. Quite some time ago there was a train of thought that said if you put our sport in front of sports fans those who wouldn't know a Stockcar from their elbow will suddenly realise what they have been missing and the venues will be packed week in, week out. Some ppl have spent REAL big money on making high quality shows (someone will have to remind me what the Ian Rawkins show was called), and got them on sky sports in prime time. The TAB also invested big time and threw their trackside TV resources behind another high quality show with professional anchors and comentators. What happened? The die hard turned in and loved it, those with a passing interest had a bit of a look and said it's not as good as being there, and stopped watching. The rest (the majority) that couldn't care about Speedwaay reached for the remote. The fact is that only the die hard will ever buy the stream. Sure you might sell a few more streams at a cheaper price, same as you might sell a few more tickets at the gate at a cheaper price. It's like anything tho the seller sets the price as high as he thinks he can that a critical mass will still pay. TBH I wouldn't have paid $10 for the stream on the weekend but if I had more confidence in VH I prob would have paid more than they were asking. My original plan was not to go, until VH gave me reason to burn the last few inches of confidence I had in them. So I went and brought $190 tickets to cover both nights. If you didn't like the price, you shouldn't have paid it. That's understandable, but with technology the way it is nowdays it makes it much easier and cheaper to reach the masses. As well as connecting with otherspeedway communities overseas. There are plenty of different ways to now monetize content without resorting to a large paywall for a stream. But I get it, so long as the money keeps rolling in why change? My hopes is speedway events like this become more accessible to everyone, at a more affordable price. I guess the current cost of the stream is the tipping point for me. I considered myself a die hard speedway fan, but I guess I'm not quite there yet. I was not able to attend the event in person this year, and I now know the production quality is not worth the $60, that is why I did not purchase the finals night. |
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Post by booma on Feb 8, 2021 16:47:17 GMT 12
Without any research that I know of, anecdotally its possible that more than 1 person watched the live stream at a time, like if 2 people watched it at home it'd be $30 chipped in each... 4 people $15 chipped in each etc. I thnk the big screen points standings could be good, personally I'd like to see the race order for when I lose track of who's winning lol, but I suppose the drivers would like to glance at that too and it might make it a bit unfair. Overall a fantastic event again. Yeh the event itself is amazing, totally agree with that. And yeah you can get a few people around to chip in and watch together. That's the wonders of streaming, and a great way to get fresh blood into the game. Although it might take a bit more convincing to get a non-speedway mate to chip in for the stream! The race order on screen is what I really wanted, without the amazing commentary I would have been completely lost! |
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Post by beachboy on Feb 8, 2021 17:13:55 GMT 12
Its certainly not worth the $120 investment, I think a major boycott of the stream next year will need to be done to get the promoter to finally listen. At $60 pay per view per night there needs to be the big Sky Sports trucked parked there and a professional job done.
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Post by Admin on Feb 8, 2021 17:26:26 GMT 12
Its certainly not worth the $120 investment, I think a major boycott of the stream next year will need to be done to get the promoter to finally listen. At $60 pay per view per night there needs to be the big Sky Sports trucked parked there and a professional job done. Good luck with organising a major boycott, laugh of the day right there lol. |
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