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Post by brickie on Mar 17, 2024 11:58:22 GMT 12
Flipping heck, what was wrong with the hit?
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Post by Jase2 on Mar 18, 2024 4:12:02 GMT 12
And from Nelson Ian Burson who was an early one to take the saloon class by storm And who is having another go in the Superstock class next season |
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Post by Tapped on Mar 18, 2024 10:07:39 GMT 12
And from Nelson Ian Burson who was an early one to take the saloon class by storm And who is having another go in the Superstock class next season Who Jase, who is giving superstocks another run? Osborne? Wood? |
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Post by hienekenno1 on Mar 18, 2024 11:43:00 GMT 12
Can't see anything official but there's talk of Jack receiving a 28day stand down following that hit Speculation it's all over bookface but no official word Unfortunately Jack Miers did get a 22 day stand down and $100 fine, Speedway NZ says it was "over aggressive contact"it's on the Speedway NZ website đ |
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Post by petrolfumes on Mar 18, 2024 12:01:40 GMT 12
Speculation it's all over bookface but no official word Unfortunately Jack Miers did get a 22 day stand down and $100 fine, Speedway NZ says it was "over aggressive contact"it's on the Speedway NZ website đ So no payback this weekend at Rotorua ? Should he have backed out once on the wall : ? |
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Post by BarryB on Mar 18, 2024 12:48:29 GMT 12
Speculation it's all over bookface but no official word Unfortunately Jack Miers did get a 22 day stand down and $100 fine, Speedway NZ says it was "over aggressive contact"it's on the Speedway NZ website đ Miers couldn't have introduced Rees to the concrete wall any more gently if he tried. He just gradually eased Asher towards the wall then carried him around the turn. Spectacular with the shower off sparks. Exactly what people pay to see. I just don't understand..... Barry B |
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Post by 4zfed on Mar 18, 2024 13:03:14 GMT 12
I agree Barry.
Even Asher would of respected how well Jack executed that.
Certainly not over aggressive or worthy of a standown..
It's a bummer really because it may of put some spice into the North Islands.
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Post by mudman on Mar 18, 2024 13:35:13 GMT 12
I agree Barry. Even Asher would of respected how well Jack executed that. Certainly not over aggressive or worthy of a standown.. It's a bummer really because it may of put some spice into the North Islands. The phrase âprotected speciesâ springs to mind here. Under the same ruling last year we saw will humphries winde off Josh prentice off the end of turn 3 and both of them roll spectacularly and nothing happens. Jack guides Asher into the wall before the corner and runs him around the whole corner and picks up a holiday. I canât make sense of it. |
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Post by beachboy on Mar 18, 2024 16:25:13 GMT 12
Yup Jayden Wards hit early in the season at wellington had no less aggression and nothing came of that. After the neck brace then the teams champs and now this, it sure looks like Someones protecting Rees from Mires
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Post by percy on Mar 18, 2024 17:27:32 GMT 12
OK folks I have very little time tonight but will comment briefly on the Jack Miers suspension (rather than the usual multi-paragraph rant).
In defense of the officials involved, Nelson is probably the hardest track at which to apply the principals of over-aggressive attacking. Where turn 1 and turn 3 start or finish is challenging compared to your conventional race track. However, that's where my defense of the official will end because this was not an over-aggressive attack in my opinion.
I think it's questionable whether contact with the wall takes place in turn one. The wall does appear to just initiate it's curve so I can see where the official is coming from but it's a point of conjecture. The second and more pertinent point is around the motion into the wall and the lack of a high force hit.
Sometimes you need to take a step back from the technicalities and think was this situation intended to be captured by this rule? My answer in this situation is no and the ruling should reflect that.
Totally understand the confusion regarding some other situations. There have been some missed calls where there was clear over-aggressive attacking and on other occasions some incorrect calls made. It's little wonder fans and drivers are confused, the consistency is not yet at the level it should be.
Finally, can we quit the conspiracy theories? A Nelson referee is not going to "protect" the Rees family. That's facebook level discussion, can we please not go there?
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Post by midway on Mar 18, 2024 18:50:20 GMT 12
Perhaps the referee took in to account the title of the meeting Superstock Stampede and read the meaning in the Collins English Dictionary ,and found Jack Miers was a little bit out of character ..
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Post by grindingdisc on Mar 18, 2024 20:35:46 GMT 12
Was the hit exciting? Yes it was
Did it fit within the wording of the ruling? No it did not case closed suspension handed out
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Post by nottosure on Mar 19, 2024 9:21:26 GMT 12
Nothing wrong with the hit I believe, but the weird part is if the referee felt it warranted a 22 day stand down and fine how come he was happy to let Jack carry on after the hit to finish the race?
If it's bad enough to be punished after the race why wasn't it acted on when it happened?
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Post by nakifans on Mar 19, 2024 10:13:24 GMT 12
Nothing wrong with the hit I believe, but the weird part is if the referee felt it warranted a 22 day stand down and fine how come he was happy to let Jack carry on after the hit to finish the race? If it's bad enough to be punished after the race why wasn't it acted on when it happened? As Matty Johns catch phrase a few years was; Bring back the Biff. It's great too see a super stock use the bumper. If it's over aggressive that's obviously the interpretation of the referee/ clerk of course. Consistency in the interpretation of the ruling needs to be the same Bluff to Kaitaia' As stated in previous threads quoting incidents of similar nature, not consistent in interpretation of ruling. |
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Post by percy on Mar 19, 2024 12:59:50 GMT 12
If it's bad enough to be punished after the race why wasn't it acted on when it happened? An astute observation My information is the referee took no action on the incident. Post-race a protest was made and the meeting Steward over-turned the referee's original (non) decision, imposing the fixed penalty Make of that what you will |
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Post by bikeboy on Mar 19, 2024 13:14:14 GMT 12
looking at the penalties register, what the hell were the ministocks at Huntly up to saturday night, is 15 infringments in one night a record?
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Post by nottosure on Mar 19, 2024 14:05:40 GMT 12
If it's bad enough to be punished after the race why wasn't it acted on when it happened? An astute observation My information is the referee took no action on the incident. Post-race a protest was made and the meeting Steward over-turned the referee's original (non) decision, imposing the fixed penalty Make of that what you will Does a Steward have the authority to do that under a protest? I always thought if a protest was placed the referees decision stood, but the Clerk pf the Course and Class Rep then get involved to discuss the incident and come to a majority decision either way to decide the protest outcome. If true however it shows even those officiating the sport obviously have different interpretations on the rule. |
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Post by cacjack on Mar 19, 2024 17:07:50 GMT 12
Maybe a bit tounge in cheek..but I'm guessing a Rees win this weekend in Rotorua now..
Serious now, Was thinking about going ...but think I'll flag it now and go find a STANDARD stock meeting if there's one around here now.
Not going to continue to spend money traveling the length and breadth of the country for what is turning into basically Nascar on dirt..or v8 supercars or whatever, not what I went to see as a small kid when I first started watching racing.
Balls of steal these lads and ladies that race them, but (all be it slower) they had balls 20, 30, 40 years ago to and they used them
I'm just over boring championships where it's just a drag race , 5 or 6x nz champ in a row anyone.
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Post by Dirt Oval on Mar 19, 2024 18:44:51 GMT 12
I agree Barry. Even Asher would of respected how well Jack executed that. Certainly not over aggressive or worthy of a standown.. It's a bummer really because it may of put some spice into the North Islands. I am a massive fan of both Asher and Jack. Both are top class drivers. But it seemed by the footage after the race Asher was waving his arms around and shaking his head at Jack. I donât think he was impressed. Great hit and very entertaining. Even though I donât agree with the decision, I can see why an official might come to the conclusion and call it over aggressive. I do wonder if the officials were influenced. |
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Post by Dirt Oval on Mar 19, 2024 18:51:30 GMT 12
Maybe a bit tounge in cheek..but I'm guessing a Rees win this weekend in Rotorua now.. Serious now, Was thinking about going ...but think I'll flag it now and go find a STANDARD stock meeting if there's one around here now. Not going to continue to spend money traveling the length and breadth of the country for what is turning into basically Nascar on dirt..or v8 supercars or whatever, not what I went to see as a small kid when I first started watching racing. Balls of steal these lads and ladies that race them, but (all be it slower) they had balls 20, 30, 40 years ago to and they used them I'm just over boring championships where it's just a drag race , 5 or 6x nz champ in a row anyone. The cars and racing have definitely adapted over the years and a different style has evolved. There was probably more hitting in the past but current Superstocks are definitely still entertaining. The high speeds often causes racing incidents that are quite spectacular. The hits would definitely be harder these days, luckily the safety gear has also improved. The old days of slower cars hitting frequently and often is in the past. The hard men of the past would probably race a lot differently if the raced in the modern era. |
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