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Post by fatznz on Jan 23, 2008 7:01:57 GMT 12
just to correct HIGHWAY45 penn was 7th overall 0n 52 points and norrise was 5th alone on 60 points
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Post by bayboy on Jan 23, 2008 8:02:03 GMT 12
I will be supporting Shane at the NZ Superstock Champs for yet another year. Poor guy seems to come across trouble ever single year whether it's deliberate or not.
Go Shane!!!
Wiseowl I totally agree once more with your comments!
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Post by muncho on Jan 23, 2008 13:30:43 GMT 12
Sorry all, I didnt mean to upset anyone or even slag Shane or even emply anything based on events of his racing career. He is arguably the best drivers ever, ive been a fan his whole career. Sorry to his fans, family or critics for saying it. I just got caught up in the Championship scenario supporting my track & thought sometimes team mates help each other out if it gets heated on the track. I shouldnt have said that about a great ambassador for the sport and wont bring negative comments about drivers we all love to watch Dont be sorry king ! You like everyone else on this board are entitled to your own opinion/views on anything speedway!!! So you said something that made a few people upset? BIG DEAL! They"l get over it.I bet your boots shane penn himself aint lost any sleep over it.Besides,im sure you only WROTE what a lot of other people THOUGHT  I mean lets face the facts people.How many titles did he win racing for the bay?  ? Now how many has he won since contracting to palmy? Enough said PS In no way am i disrespecting the bay in any way,just stating the facts |
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Post by speedaway on Jan 23, 2008 14:01:32 GMT 12
Considering palmy race every weekend and have far more competition Shane has been able to lift his game, therefore has had more success since contrating to palmy.We wish Shane all the best at Wangas.
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Post by bayboy on Jan 23, 2008 15:43:44 GMT 12
Well out of the Top 4 Championships (South Island not included for obvious reasons) this is what Shane has won.
Racing for Hawkes Bay:
North Island Champion 2002-03 3nz (77b)
NZ Grand Prix Champion 1996-97 59b
Racing for Palmerston North:
World Invitation Champion 2006-07 3nz (7p)
NZ Grand Prix Champion 2006-07 3nz (7p)
Didn't win any racing with an 'R' on his car! I'm sure there were probably plenty of Rotorua cars in those finals he competed in when he had an 'R' on his car.
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Post by TimSOZ on Jan 23, 2008 15:56:33 GMT 12
So in 3 seasons with a P on the car he has won as many as in 15 years with a B.........
And how many has he lost because he had a B on the car, compared to with a P? And how many times was he taken out by Palmy cars when he ran with a B??
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Post by The Observer on Jan 23, 2008 16:02:56 GMT 12
Your right tim - if you can;t run with the wolves hunt with the hounds.
I mean if Kelvin Gray can win a Manawatu title with a Rotorua car with an R on the side and still be a "local" its fair to say it doesn;t matter which track you belong to, its who your mates are.
Dale Ewers is obviousley moving in the right circles, he must be a candidate in Wanganui if on points going by his website
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Post by bayboy on Jan 23, 2008 19:00:12 GMT 12
Don't know Tim, do you?
The Silver Bullet's not a bad vehicle to drive though! Talented driver and great car, like Craig Boote and the 7n vehicle of 1998-99, and 1999-00 seasons.
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Post by bayboy on Jan 23, 2008 19:02:00 GMT 12
Trying to remember one of your Dirt Track articles but those two cars must two of the most successful cars apart from the Paul Wade/Barry Hunter car of the late 80's, early 90's.
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Post by mrmadtaylor on Jan 23, 2008 20:18:22 GMT 12
I mean if Kelvin Gray can win a Manawatu title with a Rotorua car with an R on the side and still be a "local" its fair to say it doesn;t matter which track you belong to, its who your mates are. Not that it maters but it had a P not an R.  |
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Post by superford on Jan 23, 2008 20:34:14 GMT 12
So in 3 seasons with a P on the car he has won as many as in 15 years with a B......... And how many has he lost because he had a B on the car, compared to with a P? And how many times was he taken out by Palmy cars when he ran with a B?? Come on Tim - hardly a clever post this one... What year did Shane first get his hands on a car that could be considered a Top 5 in NZ ? - and one worthy of his talent ? - I'm sure most would agree it was the year he fronted in the ex Chris Allen Gordge Ford where he promptly got 2nz and won the North Islands. - with a B on the side. Since the purchase of the Bullet he has moved up again. Was close to winning the NIs at wangas until Miers' killer blow and of course was close to winning the NZs in Auck until Darcy worked his magic - all with a B. Lastly, Shane didn't need to contract to Palmy to get any better - he regularly drove down there and 'smoked' the locals with a B on the side - so in my opinion the whole "better competition" argument is considerably flawed. I genuinely believe it's all about Money and Championship support - and I don't actually have a problem with that as he owns the car and can do as he pleases with it, which is sad for us HB fans, but at least we've only lost two for this season - Stratford are missing more of their stars... |
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Post by youngone on Jan 23, 2008 21:40:48 GMT 12
"Statford are missing more of their stars..."
How many Taranaki based superstock drivers drive for other tracks?
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Post by The Observer on Jan 24, 2008 9:43:08 GMT 12
Not that it maters but it had a P not an R. Thanks for the pictorial reminder mr666. I must have been mistaken - it was the Waikato champs where he drove the car with an R on the side - i guess the letter on the side is dependent on the track your racing on |
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Post by Autopete55 on Jan 25, 2008 6:00:27 GMT 12
So in 3 seasons with a P on the car he has won as many as in 15 years with a B......... And how many has he lost because he had a B on the car, compared to with a P? And how many times was he taken out by Palmy cars when he ran with a B?? Come on Tim - hardly a clever post this one... What year did Shane first get his hands on a car that could be considered a Top 5 in NZ ? - and one worthy of his talent ? - I'm sure most would agree it was the year he fronted in the ex Chris Allen Gordge Ford where he promptly got 2nz and won the North Islands. - with a B on the side. Since the purchase of the Bullet he has moved up again. Was close to winning the NIs at wangas until Miers' killer blow and of course was close to winning the NZs in Auck until Darcy worked his magic - all with a B. Lastly, Shane didn't need to contract to Palmy to get any better - he regularly drove down there and 'smoked' the locals with a B on the side - so in my opinion the whole "better competition" argument is considerably flawed. I genuinely believe it's all about Money and Championship support - and I don't actually have a problem with that as he owns the car and can do as he pleases with it, which is sad for us HB fans, but at least we've only lost two for this season - Stratford are missing more of their stars... Nice reply and well thought out. Sums the whole story up really!! Good on ya mate!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2008 6:23:44 GMT 12
Come on Tim - hardly a clever post this one... What year did Shane first get his hands on a car that could be considered a Top 5 in NZ ? - and one worthy of his talent ? - I'm sure most would agree it was the year he fronted in the ex Chris Allen Gordge Ford where he promptly got 2nz and won the North Islands. - with a B on the side. Since the purchase of the Bullet he has moved up again. Was close to winning the NIs at wangas until Miers' killer blow and of course was close to winning the NZs in Auck until Darcy worked his magic - all with a B. Lastly, Shane didn't need to contract to Palmy to get any better - he regularly drove down there and 'smoked' the locals with a B on the side - so in my opinion the whole "better competition" argument is considerably flawed. I genuinely believe it's all about Money and Championship support - and I don't actually have a problem with that as he owns the car and can do as he pleases with it, which is sad for us HB fans, but at least we've only lost two for this season - Stratford are missing more of their stars... You disagree, then come to the exact same conclusion - for championship support |
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Post by muncho on Jan 25, 2008 10:02:25 GMT 12
Well out of the Top 4 Championships (South Island not included for obvious reasons) this is what Shane has won. Racing for Hawkes Bay: North Island Champion 2002-03 3nz (77b) NZ Grand Prix Champion 1996-97 59b Racing for Palmerston North: World Invitation Champion 2006-07 3nz (7p) NZ Grand Prix Champion 2006-07 3nz (7p) Didn't win any racing with an 'R' on his car! I'm sure there were probably plenty of Rotorua cars in those finals he competed in when he had an 'R' on his car. What about the teams champs  |
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Post by bayboy on Jan 25, 2008 11:26:28 GMT 12
No doubt about it he of course has had far more teams racing success with Palmerston North.
Not questioning that at all.
I will be keen to see how he goes tomorrow night in the Mellsop car at the 248's.
Thanks for the enjoyable debate guys. ;D
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Post by bayboy on Jan 25, 2008 11:27:42 GMT 12
Let's see how well John Lund does in the Silver Bullet too!
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Post by chris56 on Jan 25, 2008 15:47:23 GMT 12
"Statford are missing more of their stars..." How many Taranaki based superstock drivers drive for other tracks? peter rees (10P)  haha just for TimS and Basil simon joblin (72p) paul jamesion (46r) Roydon Collingwood (94p) Barry ?Podjuskey? ??p |
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Post by superford on Jan 25, 2008 16:29:10 GMT 12
You disagree, then come to the exact same conclusion - for championship support My post was prompted by Tim's first sentance so I should have quoted only that line - however I'm not sure that my post came to the same conclusion as you suggest, as Tim continued by asking two questions And I think I might know the answer too - Taken out just the one time by Scotty at the North Islands - and the the other is a zero I think - so it's 1-0 in Palmy's favour. It really depends on what you class as being 'taken out' as a spin can be just as costly as a trip into the concrete, and those occaisions are a little more difficult to recall... However, Tim's post has led me to ponder the following - Shane could very well have contracted to Palmy for simple purpose of NOT getting taken out by Palmy cars at the big meets... makes perfect sense really. It would make Race 3 a lot more enjoyable knowing that the likes of Miers and Rees are in your camp... |
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I mean lets face the facts people.How many titles did he win racing for the bay?
haha just for TimS and Basil