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Post by woodart on Jan 15, 2009 7:29:13 GMT 12
That way if there is no expectation they are going to hit each other then you will enjoy it for what it is? ,,, that is the $64,000 question, what exactly is a superstock these days?  ,as much as I like the idea of drums again(it would stop the whinging about bay parks width if there was a line of drums on the track eh?)I cant see it happening(steel projectiles being punted by 1500 kg cars =osh saying no). control tyres, definatley. interesting reading comments on here about the cost of shocks, yes good ones are expensive and I am constantly surprised when I see front shocks mounted in harms way on many cars. hit to pass, maybe. fast cars off the back and stirrers money, yes. one thing I like, years ago they had a chrome shovel which was mounted on the roof off last weeks stirrer in the streeties at nelson, very classy and much better looking than a wing ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by The Godfather on Jan 15, 2009 9:53:31 GMT 12
As long as there is an incentive for Superstock drivers to win races/titles, they will continue to find ways to go faster and not find reasons to slow down during the race ie:rubbing bumpers with opponents.
As was mentioned earlier in the thread (I think by PallMall) control tyres seem to be the most obvious way to slow the beasts down, and at some time this season Nelson stockcars will have a meeting where the chequered flag will be given to the 4th placed car. Should make for an interesting evening. (Ever seen cars slow down so that they aren't first?)
One thing that does make me wonder though, is that at the moment there is a good differencial between stocks and superstocks because of there respective rules. If the stocks end up running multi-valve engines and the superstocks control road tyres, in the end the classes MAY end up being close to each other in performance/speed etc and in future will one of the classes disappear altogether??
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Post by rob258 on Jan 15, 2009 10:01:22 GMT 12
I believe your super stockers will become like the uk a travelling circus for want of a better word and yes there will be folk that will stop watching but there will be others that replace them that will know no other way only what they read in the history books. You guys have a great formula in your standard stocks for good old STOCK car racing and that should keep you all happy and by the way Im still going for a UK 1 2 3 at the 240's HaHa ;D
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Post by MadMarty13B on Jan 15, 2009 10:03:36 GMT 12
another confused pom waking from a dream ;D
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Post by 69g on Jan 15, 2009 10:05:23 GMT 12
As long theres speedway and people keep building them then they should stay why you would stop a class thats one of the most popular i dont know theres not much that compares with 25 superstocks all heading into the first turn And if you dont like superstock racing you cant call yourself a true speedweay fan  |
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Post by Action-Man on Jan 15, 2009 11:18:00 GMT 12
One thing that does make me wonder though, is that at the moment there is a good differencial between stocks and superstocks because of there respective rules. If the stocks end up running multi-valve engines and the superstocks control road tyres, in the end the classes MAY end up being close to each other in performance/speed etc and in future will one of the classes disappear altogether?? If things continue to get faster in the Stockcar ranks then we may have one class eventually. not before 10 years or so and assuming the control tyer is used for the Superstocks, but we wont have Stockcars as we know them now. If you add another 5 or 10kms per hour to Stockcars as they evolve they will all be racing like the Superstocks are now. The Superstocks are awesome, they look, and sound amazing. They do need stirrers/entertainers money if the promoters are listening to the public and want the drivers to put on a bit of a show on a regular round & round & round night, as apposed to hanging all the money and prizes on the flags. |
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Post by FrankTheTank on Jan 15, 2009 11:55:05 GMT 12
Kia ora Frank, I mentioned something similiar on the 240's thread. I would of expected Ngahihi to have replied, but he may be busy trying to organise my ride in the 2 seater in vegas :-) Kia ora Sonic 33 Sorry but I am too busy saving my money up to hopefully live the dream and move from spectating to driving to pay for others to go on joy rides. Nice try though! Green flags and green lights That is great that you are working toward buying a Superstock. If you don't mind me asking, why a Superstock? What is the appeal of that class to you as a potential driver? This thread has certainly stirred much debate, alot of which has been said before. There are a big number of people who love the class as it is now, which is great. However, why not bring back the biff and make the class better for those who have given up (and those not far off) following the class. Some contact will bring some of the fans back, and will not put current fans off surely. I am all for Speedway getting bigger and better, and one way I think it can is by bringing back the contact into Superstocks. People have commented alot on cost being a reason for a lack of contact, but what is the point of having bumpers if you can't afford to use them? If you don't like using the bumpers, why not find another class? The World 240s will attract a huge crowd this weekend, and deserves too. But the class should not be based on a few select meetings per year. It sounds like Superstocks provide regular entertainment in Nelson, but they certainly don't in Palmy. Contact should be the norm for a contact class, not the exception. |
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Post by Chopper on Jan 15, 2009 14:44:46 GMT 12
At the moment if someone is spending at least 60k and above on a Superstock, why would they want to crash it for a couple of hundred bucks prize money?? How come Superstock drivers aren't paid professionals like Nascar, F1, A1GP, V8 Supercars etc?  I mean Stockcar racing has been around for over 30 years, whats holding it up. Is it because the class is run by the drivers?? (Isn't there a saying, too many cooks spoil the broth), Are the drivers happy with the way things are?? Would stirrers prize money be enough?? I don't think they are passed there used by date just yet, but I do think something needs too happen to bring back some contact in our beloved contact sport. |
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Post by bonezman on Jan 15, 2009 15:31:59 GMT 12
Well just checked over mine.....nope no used by date on it sorry  Hey it was mentioned in an earlier post that saloons hit more...... , I'd say yes they do hit alot, and end up infield most of the time to, or with damaged body moulds...costly, yet the same hits are done in superstocks but not noticed because they arnt big enough to get the same damage. Prize money: Heck yeah pay it up, more the better to fix up the car, but are you going to sponsor it? Limit them....RUBBISH! They are superstocks, the F1 of the contact class, no way will they ever be passed it!!! People love the sound speed and power of these cars, the best part is they can hit if they choose to, not just to, as for the cost of them, thats a personnal thing, if you can afford to spend it go for it, I have a budget for mine and thats what I race to, they have a budget for theirs etc, I have no prob racing my $20k car againt a $140k car, if your gonna hit or get hit in a superstock thats life! |
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Post by Abb0 on Jan 15, 2009 15:55:16 GMT 12
People have commented alot on cost being a reason for a lack of contact, but what is the point of having bumpers if you can't afford to use them? My thoughts exactly. I enjoy all speedway but live to hear big V8s at 7000+ rpm. That's the Sprinters, the Mods and the S/Stocks (generally speaking, I know there are exceptions). With the Sprinters and Mod's I like the speed, with the S/Stocks the contact is the attraction. But there ain't much contact these days  |
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Post by Abb0 on Jan 15, 2009 15:58:05 GMT 12
...How come Superstock drivers aren't paid professionals like Nascar, F1, A1GP, V8 Supercars etc? I mean Stockcar racing has been around for over 30 years, whats holding it up... So have a lot of sports. In general people who are involved in sport in NZ are in it for the love, not the money. |
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Post by Abb0 on Jan 15, 2009 16:00:01 GMT 12
Well just checked over mine.....nope no used by date on it sorry ;D ;D |
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Post by stretch67 on Jan 16, 2009 20:55:27 GMT 12
this may already have been mentioned but standard stocks are what stockcars used to be... superstocks are a completely different class ..yes they dont hit as often as the standards(who are also not hitting as much anymore) but there is still the odd driver who does and those that dont are still skillful enought to not have too and dont think grading them ala england will solve anything.... guys who are good enough to do move thru in title heats will still do it with out hitting..maybe bring in hit to pass rule is the answer
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Post by Cheque Book on Jan 16, 2009 21:32:15 GMT 12
if superstocks have past it,
why would so many pack to see the world 240s, nz champs,
what a great track good crowd
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Post by joshnz on Jan 16, 2009 22:03:10 GMT 12
I ve seen a lot of stockcar races where there has been little or no bumper work especially at your track frank the tank in palmy I would be more worried about your name,most tanks these days want to flag race now thats an ugly sight The same problem is beginning to appear in Stockcars Its not a problem mate,its reality people cant afford to go out and stuff there cars every week. being a spectator you obvously dont understand the costs and time that goes into the repairs or you could answer your own question |
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Post by Ngahihi o te ra on Jan 18, 2009 13:15:14 GMT 12
Kia ora Frank the Tank,
Superstocks have not passed their use used by date.
Evidence of this continues with the numbers of cars and spectators in attendance at events such as the NZ Champs, NZGP and this weekends World 240's, but wait there's more - the Teams championships are yet to come and are considered by many spectators and drivers to be the pinnacle of the superstock world.
You raise interesting points regarding the lack of contact in this class and I hope last nights example of contact answered many questions for you and Sonic. Two drivers knocked out - one in hospital, speaks for itself really.
Green flags and green lights.
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I mean Stockcar racing has been around for over 30 years, whats holding it up. Is it because the class is run by the drivers?? (Isn't there a saying, too many cooks spoil the broth), Are the drivers happy with the way things are?? Would stirrers prize money be enough?? 
