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Post by kiwiguy220 on Nov 1, 2009 22:42:08 GMT 12
Kiwiguy how do you expect to find new Stockcar drivers if you dont have feeder classes like Ministocks?? They have to start somewhere! Basils comments about the numbers at P.N. that have already moved up to Stockcars and Supers prove the class is doing its job!!!!!!!!!!! Fair enough, I might have been a bit harsh on the meeting overall, but the organisation at PN Speedway is starting to annoy me. Stockcars/Superstocks arent the only ones benefiting from ministocks. Some of these guys are choosing Minisprints i.e the Larsens, Declan, etc, and for good reason, its a great class. Look at how Minisprints are being treated. We are supposed to have NZ Nats in Palmy. We have had one nights racing, and had the last race, the feature race canned because the meeting ran over time. We had guys from all over travel to compete in this meeting, and they only get two races?  Was fine for the muppets to schedule both classes of Ministocks that night though wasnt it. Now Minisprints have a two week break before they get another chance on the track. One weeks racing in 4 just isnt enough to keep the drivers, sponsors, spectators happy. Minisprints put just as much money into their cars, sometimes a lot more than ministocks. Roberston contracts them, so the chief muppet should make sure they get race time!! |
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Post by flanders on Nov 1, 2009 23:25:05 GMT 12
Fair enough, I might have been a bit harsh on the meeting overall, but the organisation at PN Speedway is starting to annoy me. Stockcars/Superstocks arent the only ones benefiting from ministocks. Some of these guys are choosing Minisprints i.e the Larsens, Declan, etc, and for good reason, its a great class. Look at how Minisprints are being treated. We are supposed to have NZ Nats in Palmy. We have had one nights racing, and had the last race, the feature race canned because the meeting ran over time. We had guys from all over travel to compete in this meeting, and they only get two races? Was fine for the muppets to schedule both classes of Ministocks that night though wasnt it. Now Minisprints have a two week break before they get another chance on the track. One weeks racing in 4 just isnt enough to keep the drivers, sponsors, spectators happy. Minisprints put just as much money into their cars, sometimes a lot more than ministocks. Roberston contracts them, so the chief muppet should make sure they get race time!! The minisprint drivers let the show down the other week they took at least 40mins just to do 2 races, no wonder they were canned. For cars with self starters just like ministocks and stockcars they sure fluff around a lot, when they line up on the dummy grid in the pits in there respective positions(exactly the same as ministocks/stockcars), they should be able to drive out onto the track round to the start/finish line and stop (just like ministocks/stockcars do), then the pace ute leads them off round to there double white line starting box, the pace ute can then pull off, they complete another lap back round to there starting box and the race can begin. I'm pretty sure that could be done in less than 5 mins + the time it takes to race, say 5mins there race could be over in 10mins, 15mins tops easy! |
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Post by Go Slideways on Nov 1, 2009 23:32:05 GMT 12
I noticed at Meeane last year they brought the next feild out first and got the previous feild back in the pits while the next race was sorting out their grid at the start line. There were no gaps on the oval, always something out there to look at and it seemed to speed things up for a smooth meeting, and they ran 24 races.  |
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Post by jb14 on Nov 2, 2009 6:52:28 GMT 12
yes the minisprint were the only ones to blame that sat night. if we did that up here we would be pulled from the race and told to go back to the pits, it should take a max of 2 laps to be gridded up then its up to the starter to say go. it annoys the promotor and crowd and turns everyone away from the class.
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Post by brentboy on Nov 2, 2009 8:09:41 GMT 12
maybe the minisprint drivers should listen and follow the rules and get to the back when they are told to (Larsen) and not waste 40Min's no wonder they got there last race canned they put the meeting overtime themselves just how i see it  |
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Post by petero on Nov 2, 2009 10:10:13 GMT 12
I was going to make a comment re the last two races being canned from the last meeting then decided not to.
I certainly felt sorry especially for the minisprints as they did have a number of out of town cars - but as stated above they also wasted huge amounts of time, especially on the starts, weird things going on there.
However the reason I would have posted was not the minisprints but how tracks/ promoters continue to run parades after start times - in this case the superstocks for the Placemakers series.
I know it was shown as race one on the program however time and again we have seen races dropped at the end of meetings due lack of time.
If we can have sprintcar warm ups at 6.45pm, why not a parade.
us punters are fussy and these things do matter !!!!
as for the racers from up north in the ministocks and minisprints missing their last race, may mean they may not want to come back in a hurry, again not a positive thing.
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Post by streety6p on Nov 2, 2009 11:17:36 GMT 12
If you guys think thats bad what about us Streetstock drivers that havnt had any race here in palmy yet, But the first meet is a big championship one (so much for 3 normal meetings/races before a championship meet),As it is i know of one guy that has brought a stockcar so he can ACTUALLY race here instead of all the humming and Ahhhhhing that seems to be flowing out everywhere (even ive given up trying to carry on with them would rather a stockie to use at least its a gaurenteed class).Now im gunna get a couple of diehard streety boys going on about my negative attitude but even those guys are throwing it in basicly
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Post by Speeding Away on Nov 2, 2009 11:27:33 GMT 12
Come race in Auckland mate we have got plenty of cars and meetings, the 290's entries will go out tonight / tomorrow. with at least 16 (hopeing for 20)Auckland cars ready by the 21st should be a good meeting.
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Post by craige on Nov 2, 2009 11:30:22 GMT 12
If you guys think thats bad what about us Streetstock drivers that havnt had any race here in palmy yet, But the first meet is a big championship one (so much for 3 normal meetings/races before a championship meet),As it is i know of one guy that has brought a stockcar so he can ACTUALLY race here instead of all the humming and Ahhhhhing that seems to be flowing out everywhere (even ive given up trying to carry on with them would rather a stockie to use at least its a gaurenteed class).Now im gunna get a couple of diehard streety boys going on about my negative attitude but even those guys are throwing it in basicly think you might want to talk to family man again mate.he hasnt bought the 913 yet |
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Post by streety6p on Nov 2, 2009 11:55:52 GMT 12
I know he didnt buy that he has got another one, Is going to get it wednesday
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Post by craige on Nov 2, 2009 12:01:00 GMT 12
I know he didnt buy that he has got another one, Is going to get it wednesday ok cool.means be a cheap dirty old falcon streety up for grabs now does it lol |
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Post by streety6p on Nov 2, 2009 13:56:54 GMT 12
He has got it on trademe (the Falc) & has just managed to get some spares for the coon too (panels,suspension/arms & a diff).Im trying to get hold of a spare transponder then i may get to skid the Falc until it sells
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Post by kiwiguy220 on Nov 2, 2009 21:37:44 GMT 12
Fair enough, I might have been a bit harsh on the meeting overall, but the organisation at PN Speedway is starting to annoy me. Stockcars/Superstocks arent the only ones benefiting from ministocks. Some of these guys are choosing Minisprints i.e the Larsens, Declan, etc, and for good reason, its a great class. Look at how Minisprints are being treated. We are supposed to have NZ Nats in Palmy. We have had one nights racing, and had the last race, the feature race canned because the meeting ran over time. We had guys from all over travel to compete in this meeting, and they only get two races? Was fine for the muppets to schedule both classes of Ministocks that night though wasnt it. Now Minisprints have a two week break before they get another chance on the track. One weeks racing in 4 just isnt enough to keep the drivers, sponsors, spectators happy. Minisprints put just as much money into their cars, sometimes a lot more than ministocks. Roberston contracts them, so the chief muppet should make sure they get race time!! The minisprint drivers let the show down the other week they took at least 40mins just to do 2 races, no wonder they were canned. For cars with self starters just like ministocks and stockcars they sure fluff around a lot, when they line up on the dummy grid in the pits in there respective positions(exactly the same as ministocks/stockcars), they should be able to drive out onto the track round to the start/finish line and stop (just like ministocks/stockcars do), then the pace ute leads them off round to there double white line starting box, the pace ute can then pull off, they complete another lap back round to there starting box and the race can begin. I'm pretty sure that could be done in less than 5 mins + the time it takes to race, say 5mins there race could be over in 10mins, 15mins tops easy! Fair enough, they took a bit of time sorting out the starts but hey it was the first meeting and some of the guys did need sorting out. But thats not to say that they need to insult the guys who travelled from up north by canning the last race. What about the time it takes to sort out the inevitable crash on the first corner by the ministocks?? How much time was spent last saturday untangling them when it is supposedly a non contact class. Sure accidents happen, but these guys are getting a bit out of control. Add to that the urgency by the officials in hitting the red lights at the slightest sign of a minisprint that might have stopped, or might have a bit of steam coming out of it?? Whats with that?? Its a bloody joke and the crowd just goes to sleep. Sure the minisprints need to form up better, but PN Speedway should look at how Rotorua organise their grids. Works heaps better. Its just lack of organisation by the promoter. As for stopping on the track behind the pace ute. Doesnt work with Minisprints due to the clutch. Many of them need a push to get going |
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Post by brendanlucas on Nov 3, 2009 4:23:09 GMT 12
Whilst the minisprints probably were to blame for time extentions during that particular meeting, much of that could have been avoided if the race had been given the green flag at the start in spite of the scrappy grid positions, & I should think that guy in that particularly well prepared car (can't remember the number) would most likely not have ended up playing 'Dixie' on his spokes so to speak. Some guys see the yellow flag straight away & others don't resulting in speed differences, often resulting in broken racecars. I think there are official veiws on the protocols at race starts that must be adhered to, but mabee rules of discretion could be applied that allow the race to go on, but the offender be penalised finishing position (positions) after the race thus allowing minimal holdups & less carnage unnecesarily? This in my view should be applied to all non contact classes.
Also, very painful to watch is the untangling of racecars with just a tow truck. I'm quite certain the untangling would be done far quicker & with less additional damage if a large hiab/crane were to be used.
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Post by Wiseowl on Nov 3, 2009 6:28:57 GMT 12
Kiwiguy220
After reading your posts....You have some valid points.
However....
If Speedway upsets you as much as your 3 posts infer ..I would like to suggest you either stay at home...as its free
...or
Go to the pub on Saturday nights..Spend twice as much as it costs to go to your local track...
...or
Just go to "The Teams Champs" later in the season
That way the rest of us can enjoy the Awesome meetings held so far...
....Mind you.... even then you will probably still not be happy !!!!!
Cheers
Wiseowl
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Post by Go Slideways on Nov 3, 2009 12:05:37 GMT 12
Interesting comments.... Just a change of tack.. we do have a few big hitters at Palmy, other than Ron Tye and Peter Rees. Here's a pic of Peter Locke at the wheel of Scooters car, Scooter was stood down for a week due to not seeing the red light in time last week. Also a pic of Graeme Wards new car, he won the feature race last week. Cheers have fun be happy.   |
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Post by The Observer on Nov 3, 2009 13:17:10 GMT 12
What happened to Peter Locke in race 2? It was looking interesting for a while there, then all went pear shaped...
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Post by Go Slideways on Nov 3, 2009 15:24:24 GMT 12
Not sure, the car set-up didn't seem to be quite right on the night. I look forward to seeing Pete race a bit more frequently this season, his new car isn't quite finished yet, but he'll hit anyone.
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Post by Ricoshea on Nov 9, 2009 14:47:59 GMT 12
What a waste of $20 going to this meeting. First race was superstocks on a drenched track, no traction and was a waste of a race. Ministocks there in numbers again, but I guess at least they kept it to only the youths tonight. When will Robertson and Puk realise that people cant stand watching them. Big fields of them, which is great for the drivers, but boring as hell to watch. They can't get past the first corner without a pile up, and you spend the next 5 minutes watching the tow trucks trying to untangle them. About time they started running them in heats, and starting them prior to the main races, i.e between 5 and 7pm or something, with maybe a feature race during the main programme. At least then the youths could watch their heros race. Ministocks are just ruining PN speedway. The crowd goes to sleep, there is no atmosphere. Pathetic, but as I said, at least we only had youths tonight as opposed to both youths and adults just for you mr macgor |
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Post by Admin on Nov 9, 2009 15:04:12 GMT 12
That's right Ric . There is one but where are all the rest?.
I there is a thread on the pits problem but thats hardly related to the racing and a worthwhile safety issue .
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