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Post by nzreaper on Jan 14, 2010 18:08:18 GMT 12
I know Gilby and I understand what your saying as i was there. I was on the infeild I know how the system works just not quite sure that scrapper does.
No I am NOT part of snz.
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Post by bigsparknz on Jan 14, 2010 18:22:44 GMT 12
I know Gilby and I understand what your saying as i was there. I was on the infeild I know how the system works just not quite sure that scrapper does. No I am NOT part of snz. Lets just say scrapper is not the type of person you can argue with ;D |
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Post by scrapper on Jan 14, 2010 18:40:51 GMT 12
All right guys, now we are getting some were, and yes I have read the rule book and still don't have a clue. So to rephrase your way of thinking. What you are saying is that because Foxy passed the 64a car and all the others behind it, all those cars are a lap down. I agree. But where does that leave the others behind foxy that haven't lapped those cars. Remember the 64a car is on the same lap as Rosie and Parky and would therefor also be in the same situation as Parky. On that same lap Parky spins and has to start rear of field but got put into 8th position by putting him at the back of the line of cars and not in the correct position. He thereby gets put a lap up from those other cars. Also people the rules are not clear as to when the race finished. It can be done as was here or by letting all cars finish. Its up to the referees. Positions shouldn't change unless people were in the wrong place to start with. We were never passed by Parky nor did he pass us. Put that into the equation and see where that leads. Still doesn't add up.
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Post by scrapper on Jan 14, 2010 18:59:17 GMT 12
Hey Bigsarkz, as per usuall got nothing meaningful to bring? I'm using this forum to debate and argue a point and sign my name to it. I believe debate is healthy. Again you can only protest the final result within 10 minutes. We only noticed this discrepancy when watching the video 2 days later. It all comes down to the wording in the rulebook. What is rear of field???. Is that the end of the line of cars or is it rear of field position. The 2 differ greatly and it needs to be clarified.Also, the race finishes when the orange is turned on and when that happens, is at the referees discretion. The next question is; s it the same at every track?  ? Ardy |
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Post by nzreaper on Jan 14, 2010 19:06:41 GMT 12
All right guys, now we are getting some were, and yes I have read the rule book and still don't have a clue. So to rephrase your way of thinking. What you are saying is that because Foxy passed the 64a car and all the others behind it, all those cars are a lap down. I agree. But where does that leave the others behind foxy that haven't lapped those cars. Remember the 64a car is on the same lap as Rosie and Parky and would therefor also be in the same situation as Parky. On that same lap Parky spins and has to start rear of field but got put into 8th position by putting him at the back of the line of cars and not in the correct position. He thereby gets put a lap up from those other cars. Also people the rules are not clear as to when the race finished. It can be done as was here or by letting all cars finish. Its up to the referees. Positions shouldn't change unless people were in the wrong place to start with. We were never passed by Parky nor did he pass us. Put that into the equation and see where that leads. Still doesn't add up. YOu still dont get can you read? come on dude Parky was leading the race for several laps before being passed by foxy they then passed 64a at somestage in the race which then puts you a lap down. now parky spun out about 4 laps from the end of the race but was still on the lead lap as 64a was not. Now here is where you lose the plot. The lap scorers tell the referees where to place the cars for a restart, that is why we have els, the only people that can change the positions of cars at race end are the stipendary steward or the stewards And you answered my question about reading rule book if you dont understand it then give up cos you clearly dont have a clue as to what your saying. |
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Post by GavS on Jan 14, 2010 19:12:01 GMT 12
Hey Bigsarkz, as per usuall got nothing meaningful to bring? I'm using this forum to debate and argue a point and sign my name to it. I believe debate is healthy. Again you can only protest the final result within 10 minutes. We only noticed this discrepancy when watching the video 2 days later. It all comes down to the wording in the rulebook. What is rear of field???. Is that the end of the line of cars or is it rear of field position. The 2 differ greatly and it needs to be clarified.Also, the race finishes when the orange is turned on and when that happens, is at the referees discretion. The next question is; s it the same at every track? ? Ardy rear of the field should be, and is in any motor sport, the rear of the lap you are on, ie if you are on the lead lap, then the rear of the lead lap, therefore you are still ahead of the lapped cars now from what i understand, foxy had passed parky FOR A POSITION but not putting him a lap down foxy and then lapped all the cars thou to 8th place, ie his next car he was going to put a lap down was 8th, but before he lapped the 8th car parky spun, im not sure what position he was in when he spun, but for this argument lets say 3rd... so now parky get sent back to the read ...( of the lap he is on) so the position he is now in is 8th.. but still on the lead lap , 9th position is still a lap down.. .....if the 64 car had got back past foxy before the yellows came on, the the 64 car would have been back on the lead lap, in 8th place and parky in 9th i think what you scrapper are getting held up on, and are saying is that parky didn't pass the 64 car to lap it, but that doesn't matter as the leader(foxy) did |
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Post by scrapper on Jan 14, 2010 19:15:49 GMT 12
I will say it again, we were never passed by Parky. In a way we passed him when he spun and stopped the race and had to start rear of field.He never had a lap on us. Parky started in 3th, we started of grid 20. Instead he was restarted in position 8. Come on dude, that is where te problem lies.
Ardy.
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Post by GavS on Jan 14, 2010 19:17:52 GMT 12
I will say it again, we were never passed by Parky. In a way we passed him when he spun and stopped the race and had to start rear of field.He never had a lap on us. Parky started in 3th, we started of grid 20. Instead he was restarted in position 8. Come on dude, that is where te problem lies. Ardy. parky didn't need to pass you as the leader put you a lap down, if foxy had passed parky under green then he to would have been a lap down, and then he would have been behind you |
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Post by scrapper on Jan 14, 2010 19:20:17 GMT 12
Also Parky spun in turn four, did not complete that lap, we did. That takes him of that lead lap desn't it???
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Post by nzreaper on Jan 14, 2010 19:20:25 GMT 12
I will say it again, we were never passed by Parky. In a way we passed him when he spun and stopped the race and had to start rear of field.He never had a lap on us. Parky started in 3th, we started of grid 20. Instead he was restarted in position 8. Come on dude, that is where te problem lies. Ardy. Dude give up cos gavs has hit the nail on the head. Thank you Gavs |
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Post by nzreaper on Jan 14, 2010 19:22:06 GMT 12
Also Parky spun in turn four, did not complete that lap, we did. That takes him of that lead lap desn't it??? NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOO it does not |
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Post by scrapper on Jan 14, 2010 19:33:03 GMT 12
That is the best explanation I've had so far GavS. If that is the way these situations are ruled then fine. I still don't get how he did not get to go back to his last completed lap. Remember he spun turn 4. before completing that lap. That puts him on the same lap as the others. Still don't add up.
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Post by GavS on Jan 14, 2010 19:37:19 GMT 12
That is the best explanation I've had so far GavS. If that is the way these situations are ruled then fine. I still don't get how he did not get to go back to his last completed lap. Remember he spun turn 4. before completing that lap. That puts him on the same lap as the others. Still don't add up. ahh different kettle of fish all placing goes back to the last completed lap, with the exception of him, he goes to the back of the lap that he is on |
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Post by nzreaper on Jan 14, 2010 19:40:09 GMT 12
Its not rocket science
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Post by BarryB on Jan 14, 2010 19:45:35 GMT 12
I will say it again, we were never passed by Parky. In a way we passed him when he spun and stopped the race and had to start rear of field.He never had a lap on us. Parky started in 3th, we started of grid 20. Instead he was restarted in position 8. Come on dude, that is where te problem lies. Ardy. parky didn't need to pass you as the leader put you a lap down, if foxy had passed parky under green then he to would have been a lap down, and then he would have been behind you So you're saying once 11a passed 5gm for a SECOND time, to put him a lap down, he'd be expected to slow down and let 64a past as well? How else could Foxy lapping Parky suddenly mean Parky was behind Harris as well? If that's hitting the nail on the head I'm even more confused than I was before ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by tigersfan on Jan 14, 2010 19:47:26 GMT 12
at the end of the day brandon felt the pressure and cracked
why is everyone fighting over 8th and 9th place??
its fish n chip paper already !!!
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Post by BarryB on Jan 14, 2010 19:47:50 GMT 12
That is the best explanation I've had so far GavS. If that is the way these situations are ruled then fine. I still don't get how he did not get to go back to his last completed lap. Remember he spun turn 4. before completing that lap. That puts him on the same lap as the others. Still don't add up. ahh different kettle of fish all placing goes back to the last completed lap, with the exception of him, he goes to the back of the lap that he is on That's a better explanation - maybe it's not rocket science, but shows the "rear of field" statement can be a little confusing |
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Post by nzreaper on Jan 14, 2010 19:52:33 GMT 12
ahh different kettle of fish all placing goes back to the last completed lap, with the exception of him, he goes to the back of the lap that he is on That's a better explanation - maybe it's not rocket science, but shows the "rear of field" statement can be a little confusing Not really you go to rear of the field not the rear of the race, When the yellows come on for what ever reason you go to the rear of the FIELD you dont get put in last place unless everyone is on the same lap which in this case they were not |
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Post by BarryB on Jan 14, 2010 20:02:27 GMT 12
That's a better explanation - maybe it's not rocket science, but shows the "rear of field" statement can be a little confusing Not really you go to rear of the field not the rear of the race, When the yellows come on for what ever reason you go to the rear of the FIELD you dont get put in last place unless everyone is on the same lap which in this case they were not I suspect that can mean 2 different things though, depending on whether they're dopping lapped cars to the back, or not...... |
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Post by nzreaper on Jan 14, 2010 20:09:30 GMT 12
Not really you go to rear of the field not the rear of the race, When the yellows come on for what ever reason you go to the rear of the FIELD you dont get put in last place unless everyone is on the same lap which in this case they were not I suspect that can mean 2 different things though, depending on whether they're dopping lapped cars to the back, or not...... Not sure how it can mean 2 diff things when you go to rear of the feild that would mean the lap that you are on and that would mean the last fully completed lap. that everyone has completed |
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