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Post by batty73 on Dec 10, 2010 20:07:04 GMT 12
does anyone know if they are running a point system tonight or is it the first car across the line?
Cheers Duane
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Post by holdenvaughn on Dec 10, 2010 20:09:34 GMT 12
points i think it is for first night
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Post by Row on Dec 10, 2010 20:10:05 GMT 12
Points - trying to work them out but a few gaps as not getting all the places
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2010 20:14:09 GMT 12
what ones you missing Row.ROUND 4 welly 1st 88h 2nd welly 3rd4th5th.Round 5.A 1st 66g 383a 833a
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Post by Row on Dec 10, 2010 20:17:02 GMT 12
W vs H and A vs G
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2010 20:32:47 GMT 12
Results above Row.
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Post by m8sr8z on Dec 10, 2010 22:35:59 GMT 12
What are peoples opinions on teams race formats? With first across the line or run points system?
Im guessing some people may take it easy in hoping they make it home for points.
First home might make for even harder hits ;D not that im complaining. The hits are great already.
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Post by busterbell on Dec 10, 2010 23:02:37 GMT 12
i assume that if there was a better format it would have been thought of by now (and tried/used ). we have had this system for years. perhaps the question should be is there a better way.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2010 23:11:43 GMT 12
i assume that if there was a better format it would have been thought of by now (and tried/used ). we have had this system for years. perhaps the question should be is there a better way. I have been thru all sorts of format scenarios over the past few years and unless night one is sudden death or some teams have to do three races where others only have to do two then there really is no other way... and team managers have always expressed their displeasure at sudden death all the way thru... and having some teams do an extra race on night one is very hard to work logistically. |
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Post by MadMarty13B on Dec 11, 2010 1:48:32 GMT 12
simple really points emphasis on first place minor placing points dont add up to first place points there you have your first across the line as the crucial placing the rest can be used for count back later if needed
so in other words increase the points for first place
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Post by knownotmuch on Dec 11, 2010 5:30:59 GMT 12
Agree completely Marty, with the open points scenario the best improvement that could be made, is to increase the points for first place. This would have the effect of causing teams to make more of a do or die effort to take the first placed points.
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Post by fatboyracer on Dec 11, 2010 6:38:13 GMT 12
how many points for each place last nite?  ? is it points tonite? im with marty , big pionts for win , small for places |
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Post by BarryB on Dec 11, 2010 6:50:38 GMT 12
What points system does Welly use? Palmy Superstock teams is (now at least, wasn't always) 100, 40, 25, 20 & 10, from memory, so the winning driver gets 100, 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th combined adds up to 95 so the losing team can never win the actual race (as had happened in the past).
Second night first across the line, sudden death.
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Post by davcarm on Dec 11, 2010 7:03:51 GMT 12
You're on the money Barry. They used the points system you mentioned.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2010 7:08:10 GMT 12
What points system does Welly use? Palmy Superstock teams is (now at least, wasn't always) 100, 40, 25, 20 & 10, from memory, so the winning driver gets 100, 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th combined adds up to 95 so the losing team can never win the actual race (as had happened in the past). Second night first across the line, sudden death. i assume it was the same ... the prob being no groups and only 3 teams won both their races so when ya need to find top four ya need the points system. extra points for the win prob would not have changed anything last night |
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Post by davcarm on Dec 11, 2010 7:28:05 GMT 12
Theses are the points I have as provided over the PA at the track and filled in a few gaps from welly web results.
Maulers - 160 140 Total = 300
Vulcans - 55 125 Total = 180
Gladiators - 50 140 Total = 190
Pumas - 140 185 Total = 325
Young G's - 145 165 Total = 310
Stormers - 70 45 Total = 115
Alley cats - 145 35 Total = 180
Raiders - 50 55 Total = 105
Titans - 125 10 Total = 135
Crushers - 35 70 Total = 105
Most unlucky team have to be Auckland. Before the race against W (last of the night) I put my money on both teams getting to semi's as both had 145 points so at that stage 50 points would be enough for both to progress.
Well done to the teams in the semi's makes for good racing tonight.
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Post by BarryB on Dec 11, 2010 7:50:24 GMT 12
What points system does Welly use? Palmy Superstock teams is (now at least, wasn't always) 100, 40, 25, 20 & 10, from memory, so the winning driver gets 100, 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 5th combined adds up to 95 so the losing team can never win the actual race (as had happened in the past). Second night first across the line, sudden death. i assume it was the same ... the prob being no groups and only 3 teams won both their races so when ya need to find top four ya need the points system. extra points for the win prob would not have changed anything last night Agreed, if that's the system they used they got it pretty right I suspect. A win is already better than 4 placings |
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Post by Tapped on Dec 11, 2010 8:09:27 GMT 12
I must say I am more of a fan of the old format these new points formats to me lend themselves to flag races first up, then they turn it on in their second race when they realize they need to stop the other team scoring points, whichis good in itself , but really six to one half a dozen to the other.
The old format was easier for the fans - a team that won their pool as thru simple as that.
So in summary, I don't know, they each have their advantages and disadvantages.
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Post by BarryB on Dec 11, 2010 8:49:44 GMT 12
But I'm pretty sure even when there were 4 groups of 3 teams each, and the 4 group-toppers went through, they were still racing for points in each race on the first night?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2010 9:16:11 GMT 12
But I'm pretty sure even when there were 4 groups of 3 teams each, and the 4 group-toppers went through, they were still racing for points in each race on the first night? Correct and in a "group of death" it wasn't uncommon to see each of the teams in that group take 1 win and 1 loss meaning it would still come back to points count back. ya could have groups with 10 teams i guess but it cant be round robin so why would ya bother. Before you read this next bit... pls know that I am a fan of the gizzy team and think Scott Ross is one of the nicest blokes in the game. I was also impressed with Stratty last night and can see their improvement. It won't be long till they get a well deserved win. But this is an honest assessment and offering a solution to what I see as a problem with this format. In the current format i would rather see top 8 teams still have a chance at winning (although that would require 3 races per team on nite 2). The reason I say that, and no disrespect to either of the teams I'm about to mention, but if gizzy had faced anyone else in their second round match I don't think they would have made it to top 4..... I know that seems a bit harsh to say but if the top 8 were to face up tonight (1 V's 8, 2 V's 7 etc) and sudden death from there it would make a ten team event a lot fairer and prob more entertaining for the fans. I know 3 teams races on one night is a big ask but they do it at huntly and Palmys events. Again no disrespect to any team, driver or crew but at the Peter Barry last season Auckland missed out cause they didn't have the good fortune to draw KK and last night they missed cause they didn't draw stratford. Sorry if you think I have just picked on your fav team but would like to hear others thoughts on it. |
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