Night 2 Discussion (Read 7,931 times)

[sonic33]

Refresh my name of the competitor.

Is it Skinny's old crew member Geoff?

[knownotmuch]

66M is Geoff Webb

[sonic33]

darn. He been going well at Bay park

[knownotmuch]

He was going well at Te Marua as well, qualified easily while taking a fairly conservative approach.

[nrb2]

MMM. I wonder how long the car has been like it?

[sonic33]

Will wait to see what comes of it.

It is a skinny built car.

Geoff been around speedway for a long time.

[grm]

a cheat is a cheat no matter how long you been around or intend to be around ya still a cheat if this is the case

[squiddley]

Dont jump to conclussions to quick. the carb was a rebuilt one bought off someone else who has been around speedway for a long time and contracts to same track in different class.

[bikeboy]

Jan 24, 2011 7:49:06 GMT 12 grm said:

a cheat is a cheat no matter how long you been around or intend to be around ya still a cheat if this is the case

those are pretty hard words in the case of this rule, which has caused problems for a number of years incl a trip to the sports tribunal,

if you try and read the whole rule and the interpretations it is pretty hard to understand with the different varients of the holley carb in question,

[grm]

correct me if i'm wrong the saloon rules state that the carb has to have 1850 on the choke tower if there is know numbers then how do we know what it is simple to under stand

[22kBullRacing]

Im the crew chief of the 66m saloon car of Geoff Webb and to all of you people that who want to jump to conclusions here are the facts.
the carb is a rebuilt carb and was rebuilt by the manufacture and was brand new out of the box, bought from a well known racer.
It is a legal carb and the car has been built to the guide lines of the rule book as he is a budget racer like i am in my stockcar and cant afford to cheat.
there was a change in the rules in October that like the person he bought it off did not know about. it has markings on it but they were not stamped it is a technical reason why it was deemed illegal not because of what some of you small mined people think.
Geoff worked really hard to get thru and we as a team gave him our all to get him out for every race.
I have known Geoff for many years and crewed for him on his production saloon and he has never been a cheat as long as i have known him.
Its hard enough for what happened to us with out people spreading rumors about things they know nothing about so please have some respect.

[hoov51m]

T11-2-5 Fuel System
c) Carburettor may be of a four barrel configuration. up to 600cfm maximum size all with vacuum secondaries. Holley #1850 or Holley #8007 carburettor; centre hung or side hung floats permitted.
Venturi boosters, throttle body, throttle plates and throttle shafts will be subject to minimum specifications as supplied by the saloon technical committee. Minimum specifications will be available on the SNZ website.

this doesn't say the carb must be a model 1850as there is no such model, the #1850 is the Holley listing No.
this listing number falls under the MODEL 4160 RANGE in the latest HOLLEY SPECIFICATION MANUAL which covers the last 10 years,there is approximately 60 different listing numbers in the 4160 range all being 600 cfm vac sec carbs

If this is a re-manufactured carb it may of had the list number removed form factory as in the states they have trouble finding the throttle body core's,{ remember these are rebuild not new carb's}, so may use a different core there for they remove the number is removed then replaced with a sticker

They are available from many different places in NZ
Pioneer,pro parts,bay-speed.

The specifications on the SNZ site are a joke as they got them buy measuring a few carbs, NO ONE spoke to Holley for the specs nor did anyone read the manual we suppled as this would all become apparent

The easy way to police this rule is to go to restrictor plates or even easier is to use a go/no-go Gage as in Nascar,even the NZ v8,s have gone this way

We have suggested the several times now [as it make,s it easy on all,competitors and technical person] just to fall on deaf ears or will it take another court case

[sonic33]

Was waiting for that reply.

Hoov is the person to tell it as it is.

Hope it all works out. Find it hard 2 believe that Geoff would be non compliant

[22kBullRacing]

Jan 24, 2011 19:43:48 GMT 12 hoov51m said:

T11-2-5 Fuel System
c) Carburettor may be of a four barrel configuration. up to 600cfm maximum size all with vacuum secondaries. Holley #1850 or Holley #8007 carburettor; centre hung or side hung floats permitted.
Venturi boosters, throttle body, throttle plates and throttle shafts will be subject to minimum specifications as supplied by the saloon technical committee. Minimum specifications will be available on the SNZ website.

this doesn't say the carb must be a model 1850as there is no such model, the #1850 is the Holley listing No.

this listing number falls under the MODEL 4160 RANGE in the latest HOLLEY SPECIFICATION MANUAL which covers the last 10 years,there is approximately 60 different listing numbers in the 4160 range all being 600 cfm vac sec carbs

If this is a re-manufactured carb it may of had the list number removed form factory as in the states they have trouble finding the throttle body core's,{ remember these are rebuild not new carb's}, so may use a different core there for they remove the number is removed then replaced with a sticker

They are available from many different places in NZ
Pioneer,pro parts,bay-speed.

The specifications on the SNZ site are a joke as they got them buy measuring a few carbs, NO ONE spoke to Holley for the specs nor did anyone read the manual we suppled as this would all become apparent

The easy way to police this rule is to go to restrictor plates or even easier is to use a go/no-go Gage as in Nascar,even the NZ v8,s have gone this way

We have suggested the several times now [as it make,s it easy on all,competitors and technical person] just to fall on deaf ears or will it take another court case

Yes and this is what happened to us, the carb complied with the rule book, but the new rule that they showed us was on a peace of paper, we had no idea that a new rule had been made on this.
But the thing is they refused to measure it

[hoov51m]

what new rule as this is not a rule making year
did they impound the car or the carb as per the rule book
if not it will not stand in court [Been there done that]Did they tell you have the right to protest cost $300

[hoov51m]

hemi245
check your email

[MadMarty13B]

something does not quite add up here

[bikeboy]

Jan 24, 2011 23:01:45 GMT 12 MadMarty13B said:

something does not quite add up here

the rules are listed here Marty, see if you can get someone to measure a carb like this, I looked at these rules, looked at the carb and then scratched my head, thought about it and came up with the solution that it was legal last time it was checked so hope it still is, because i have not touched it since,

not to sure if the restrictor plate idea is the perfect solution, but at least it would be a hell of a lot easier for the average guy to understand, because these rules are not,

below is the update from october 2010 snz newsletter, which even tho i new what i was looking for took some time to find, and there is no way someone that did not know what they were looking for would find, i think it needs to be listed with the rulebook

www.speedway.co.nz/pdf/Directors%20Meetings/SNZ%20Update%20-%20Oct%202010.pdf


this is not the first time this rule has caused greif, every year they test carb's someone new gets hit with it,

[22kBullRacing]

Jan 24, 2011 21:12:39 GMT 12 hoov51m said:

what new rule as this is not a rule making year
did they impound the car or the carb as per the rule book
if not it will not stand in court [Been there done that]Did they tell you have the right to protest cost $300

Yes you are rite if your looking at the rule book but there has been things added to it, thats what i was saying about what they showed us on a peace of paper that we have never had seen before.
the way things were done was very strange it was like he had no rights at all

[22kBullRacing]

Jan 24, 2011 23:01:45 GMT 12 MadMarty13B said:

something does not quite add up here

yes you are so right marty