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Post by Parrot on Feb 7, 2011 0:41:32 GMT 12
Because New Zealand is a nation of binge drinking loud mouthed alcoholic idiots. Alcohol should be banned at speedway fullstop. If you cant go 5 hours without a drink of alcohol then you have a drinking problem. I know of at least 50 people who will never ever attend the teams champs because of the drunken buffoons who abuse and assault people including my children and grandchildren 4 years ago. Palmerston North speedway and everyone associated with the management of their premier piss drinking weekend should be ashamed of the shocking behavior they condone year after year with their refusal to do anything.
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Post by MadMarty13B on Feb 7, 2011 0:59:39 GMT 12
I agree with Marty, what a load of bull. I'm not straight-edge either, I enjoy a drink in the right place at the right time. Same here, I didn't abuse anyone or do anything out of the ordinary but drinking is and will always be part of the teams champs. You guys are acting like every single person who has even one sip of a beer is a criminal , come on guys. We all know there are people who can't handle the jandle when it comes to drinking, security just needs to adapt a tough stance on evicting un-ruely drunken crowd members. we are only talking about the ones that get out of control there is no problem with the ones that can hold their liquor |
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Post by Dirt_Fan on Feb 7, 2011 6:19:54 GMT 12
I have no problem with guys getting drunk, a little messy and supporting there team, thats all good and well as 9 times out of 10 you can have a laugh with them, most of the time at them, but I will not and neither should anyone ever make excuses for abusive drunks, saying "look after your kids is a cop out" anyone should be able to walk to the toilet or food stalls without being abused, saying otherwise is condoning their action.
When did become acceptable and common to be so drunk in public.
And i just read the news that a 22 year old attacked some officers along with his dog biting them leaving 3 police officers hospitalised, all because he was drunk, yes he may have had the bad attitude already but alcohol changes people and on the way home on the first night i saw a few people right on the edge of starting fights and getting rather agro.Its just not and should never have been acceptable.
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Post by bikeboy on Feb 7, 2011 6:35:57 GMT 12
i think seperate family area's are the answer,
if the Wellington 7's can do it, and the Nitro Circus tour can do it, and even some club run Supercross's can do it in NZ then speedway's can do it,
if you ban booze completly from speedway you will lose a lot of spectators, and a lot of the atmosphere, just like you would if you took the booze completly out of the 7's,
Palmy gets a sell out crowd because it is a very good race meeting, and a very good party, if you take either one of those things away you will lose part of your crowd,
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Post by bikeboy on Feb 7, 2011 6:39:21 GMT 12
Because New Zealand is a nation of binge drinking loud mouthed alcoholic idiots. Alcohol should be banned at speedway fullstop. If you cant go 5 hours without a drink of alcohol then you have a drinking problem. I know of at least 50 people who will never ever attend the teams champs because of the drunken buffoons who abuse and assault people including my children and grandchildren 4 years ago. Palmerston North speedway and everyone associated with the management of their premier piss drinking weekend should be ashamed of the shocking behavior they condone year after year with their refusal to do anything. people go to speedway on saturday night for entertainment, a large proportion of those people like to have a drink while they do it, just because you want to have a beer while watching stockcars does not make you an alcaholic, those that abuse small children, and act stupidly or violently should be thrown out or even arrested, but to penalise the vast majority of the fans that can handle their piss is far to nanny state imo |
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Post by Hoosier on Feb 7, 2011 8:29:03 GMT 12
Because New Zealand is a nation of binge drinking loud mouthed alcoholic idiots. Alcohol should be banned at speedway fullstop. If you cant go 5 hours without a drink of alcohol then you have a drinking problem. I know of at least 50 people who will never ever attend the teams champs because of the drunken buffoons who abuse and assault people including my children and grandchildren 4 years ago. Palmerston North speedway and everyone associated with the management of their premier piss drinking weekend should be ashamed of the shocking behavior they condone year after year with their refusal to do anything. Hope this crap behavior doesn't cross over to my beloved Western Springs....I couldn't give a damm about having grog at the venue- i can drink at home or the club but i cant watch friggen race cars ,get covered in dust and take my little fellas!! what a pathetic way to spend the night if that's what is happening- it will blight your sport and kick you in the arse one day..probably when the stands are half empty and the crowd of genuine racing addicts has moved to like minded events.Anyone taking it out on a kid with his pride and joy t shirt on needs his bloody head read-grow up or piss off |
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Post by Hoosier on Feb 7, 2011 8:42:41 GMT 12
All you straight edge fullas are simply fighting a losing battle, people drink alcohol so you just have to deal with it, if they are going to abuse you then they would abuse you sober anyway. If you get offended then you are just fueling the fire for further abuse, the best thing to do is laugh it off and carry on watching the racing. If you get all hot under the collar whenever you see some one who is drunk then you are worse than the people who are getting drunk. A drunk person follows a couple of simple rules, 1. Everything is funny until there is a punch thrown - so in that case just smile and laugh, if you start to look uptight and offended then they will keep going until you burst. 2. Sobering up sucks - you will notice when they run out of money they will get quieter and quieter and then they will be the uptight ones. 3. Loud is proud - You are at the speedway , speedway is loud , what do you think the rest of the crowd thinks about you if you try and tell someone off for being noisey at the speedway? If that is you then you should stay at home son because you just do not have what it takes to be a speedway supporter. At the end of the day if you bring your children to the speedway then it is your problem , you are their parents , so look after your children , no one else should have to suffer and have less of a good time because you dont want little johnny to be scarred for life by seeing or hearing something, you should harden your kids up young anyway then maybe the younger generations to come wont be so god darn soft. garbage-absolute load of bullnuts ,drink your piss somehwere else if you cant handle it, i wouldnt take them into a pub at 10 pm coz thats just unreasonable.why the hell should kids put up with the likes of you in their face at a motor racing event-pleased i'm into Midgets if this is the sort of nonsense going on at Stockcars. |
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Post by The Dark One on Feb 7, 2011 9:24:34 GMT 12
Same here, I didn't abuse anyone or do anything out of the ordinary but drinking is and will always be part of the teams champs. You guys are acting like every single person who has even one sip of a beer is a criminal , come on guys. We all know there are people who can't handle the jandle when it comes to drinking, security just needs to adapt a tough stance on evicting un-ruely drunken crowd members. we are only talking about the ones that get out of control there is no problem with the ones that can hold their liquor Again i'll agree with you Marty, and I think some people misread my earlier post. I didnt call for a ban at all. I just think it takes a certain amount of maturity to enjoy a drink at speedway. It's only the idiots who feel the need to get hammered and abusive, that create the problems. Families shouldnt have to modify how they want to enjoy speedway just to fit around a bunch of drunk rednecks. It should be the other way around. Give the drunks there own section, and they can just abuse each other. But no parent should have to worry about there kid having abuse yelled at them on there way to buy a hotdog. And I am sure a family man like Mr Robertson would agree. Should it be banned outright? Probably not, I agree it makes for a nanny state. But should there be a crackdown on the abusive behaviour it can cause? Oh hell yes. We need to stop girl thingy footing around with these idiots, if you insist on turning up and becoming an abusive drunk, with little self control, then you should be thrown out. And those yelling abuse at children shouldnt even get a warning shot. As a country we have rebelled against the PC crap found in other countries so much and for so long, we are now just accepting of the alcohol problem, and constantly find ourselves having to modify our behaviour to fit the few. Any attempt to clean it up just gets labelled as "nanny state syndrome" or "PC nonsense". To those that can enjoy a beer without becoming an abusive wan*er, well done. To the ones that cant, you're a disgrace to what was once good clean family entertainment. |
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Post by penman on Feb 7, 2011 12:09:02 GMT 12
Got to agree with the majority of comments on here in regards to your post Pash.
You are way off base, expecially with your last paragraph:
"At the end of the day if you bring your children to the speedway then it is your problem , you are their parents , so look after your children , no one else should have to suffer and have less of a good time because you dont want little johnny to be scarred for life by seeing or hearing something, you should harden your kids up young anyway then maybe the younger generations to come wont be so god darn soft."
If I go to a speedway event with my kids, I am responsible for them, correct...and if that means I need to get Sloppy Joe next to me removed because of the way he's acting or what he's saying, then I shall. That's called responsibility.
If you want to turn yourself into Sloppy Joe, then that's YOUR responsility. That's called irresponsibility.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2011 12:21:17 GMT 12
It is just time security staff started to do there job that they are employed to do.If you abused kids in this way elsewhere you sure would be treated differently.At WAIKATO STADIUM if you behaved in this manner you would be in the cells for the night as we have uniformed police as the security patrols time for arena manawatu to do likewise.
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Post by Reflex on Feb 7, 2011 13:04:10 GMT 12
It is because of people who can't be responsible when drinking, that we no longer go to Palmy for the Teams. It used to be our big weekend away for family & friends. But when my wife was abused for getting upset that some drunken bum spilled beer over her & one of my children, that was the last time we went. We were seated in the grandstand as well & had paid good money to watch some great racing.
Yes we liked to have a beer, but it was at the camping grounds or motel after & we didn't see the reason to write ourselves off.
Unfortunately there are a bunch of muppets who cannot go without getting written off, because they think that is the only way they can have a good time. The trouble is after the meeting they are usually the ones getting behind the wheel of a car as well...
Some of the BS written by a couple of people on here, really need to grow up. Speedway has come along way in the last decade, but with people like that it still hampers the progress forward.
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Post by pashthep on Feb 7, 2011 14:26:26 GMT 12
All you straight edge fullas are simply fighting a losing battle, people drink alcohol so you just have to deal with it, if they are going to abuse you then they would abuse you sober anyway. If you get offended then you are just fueling the fire for further abuse, the best thing to do is laugh it off and carry on watching the racing. If you get all hot under the collar whenever you see some one who is drunk then you are worse than the people who are getting drunk. A drunk person follows a couple of simple rules, 1. Everything is funny until there is a punch thrown - so in that case just smile and laugh, if you start to look uptight and offended then they will keep going until you burst. 2. Sobering up sucks - you will notice when they run out of money they will get quieter and quieter and then they will be the uptight ones. 3. Loud is proud - You are at the speedway , speedway is loud , what do you think the rest of the crowd thinks about you if you try and tell someone off for being noisey at the speedway? If that is you then you should stay at home son because you just do not have what it takes to be a speedway supporter. At the end of the day if you bring your children to the speedway then it is your problem , you are their parents , so look after your children , no one else should have to suffer and have less of a good time because you dont want little johnny to be scarred for life by seeing or hearing something, you should harden your kids up young anyway then maybe the younger generations to come wont be so god darn soft. garbage-absolute load of bullnuts ,drink your piss somehwere else if you cant handle it, i wouldnt take them into a pub at 10 pm coz thats just unreasonable.why the hell should kids put up with the likes of you in their face at a motor racing event-pleased i'm into Midgets if this is the sort of nonsense going on at Stockcars. I can handle it , you need to pull the stick out of the hole. |
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Post by ajgullery on Feb 7, 2011 14:34:11 GMT 12
to me speedway has ALWAYS been a family show...from my first event as a baby....yes I was introduced to speedway at a young age...At palmy too....
In my mind...there is NO ROOM AT ALL for drinking at speedway. NONME. I really don't care if you enjoy a brew and can handle it, if you are that respomsible, then you are also responsible enough to save it for the bar/motel/home after the event.
You may think I am a tea toteler, or whatever, but I have drunk with the best of them...but at the right place.
IF we want our beloved speedway to grow and prosper....We need to foster the incoming generations....the young kids. Those old enough to drink...they have already made their choices. Speedway needs to be returned to the Families. Too many times we are loosing families and the sports future to drunken idiots.
Remove ALL alcohole from the venues till AFTER the event.
Sorry if I am standing on the toes of those who think they need to drink to have a good time.
But sorry, too often we are hearing of FAMILIES who have left the sport cause of booze hounds.
Foster the NEW generations.
Make speedway a family show again.
AJ
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Post by petero on Feb 7, 2011 14:40:55 GMT 12
Well Pashthep, your posts seem to reflect your age and lack of maturity.
yes you are entitled to your opinion, however many of the older version look forward to the day you grow up, get married, have kids and start taking them to speedway and see how your view on the drunks change - and your view WILL change.
Our family is one of the long list of people who no longer choose to go to the teams champs for
It is no longer a family friendly environment
and it is not just at PN either, have had serious issues at many tracks including Rotorua.
many say have a separate area, but then that will not include toilets or stop the trouble makers moving around the facility.
using Rotorua for example, the booze comes in by the chilly bin load, so for kids/ young teenagers to go to the toilets/ food outlets etc, they still have to put up with the drunks doing the same thing, let alone the ones close around you causing merry hell.
Then try and complain and you cannot find any security, write to the promotion and not taken seriously.
It would not be such an issue if all where responsible but clearly that does not happen and security do not seem to act on complaints - certainly based on many responses over the years on here.
so Pashthep, it will be interesting to see how your views change once you have a family - and they will !!!
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Post by sketchy on Feb 7, 2011 15:00:27 GMT 12
and on the other side of the coin to the family sport/venue stuff
if you took sponsors to an event, or heaven forbid a potential sponsor to an event, and they got to see first hand the target market.
the regular joe with his wife and kids, wont even rate a mention. its the idiot 2 rows forward or 5 seats down spilling his drinks and abusing people that will be the one they remember.
its not just the car/team package that can appeal to sponsors, if they can see that the target market is full of muppet's why would they spend the money on a car, to be seen by loosers. when a print ad is more likely seen by the family people anyway?
professionalism is not just about about the team's.
teams could get huge sponsors if the market was clean. look at tennis, huge dollars involved. very few drunks.
golf.huge dollars too.
rowing. cycling....
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Post by peter46s on Feb 7, 2011 16:08:53 GMT 12
People pay money to travel for food for accommodation and to watch speedway NOT to get abused by drunks, many people and families have their weekend ruined every year because of abusive drunks Agree marty 6 off us this year would off spent $1200 over weekend Tried grandstand this year to try and escape this problem hit a bump on saturday. my problem with over happy people is they carnt sit down and stay down they are up down up down hands going in all directions just a pain in the *rse which then makes me wonder why spend so,oooo much money for what  |
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Post by Ugmo on Feb 7, 2011 16:18:07 GMT 12
and on the other side of the coin to the family sport/venue stuff if you took sponsors to an event, or heaven forbid a potential sponsor to an event, and they got to see first hand the target market. the regular joe with his wife and kids, wont even rate a mention. its the idiot 2 rows forward or 5 seats down spilling his drinks and abusing people that will be the one they remember. its not just the car/team package that can appeal to sponsors, if they can see that the target market is full of muppet's why would they spend the money on a car, to be seen by loosers. when a print ad is more likely seen by the family people anyway? professionalism is not just about about the team's. teams could get huge sponsors if the market was clean. look at tennis, huge dollars involved. very few drunks. golf.huge dollars too. rowing. cycling.... Every sport you have mentioned there is played in most countries around the world. Speedway racing is not, there fore you need to get a NZ based sponsor like Tui, Speights, DB, 42 Below etc to make things more interesting. I go to teams to catch up with people I may only see for the 2/3 days of teams every year, we get together and have a few drinks then head to the track and have a few more. Support our teams and anyone racing the Panthers and then we head home. I can't understand why people want to ban alcohol because a few bad eggs. And behave you say what about the kids etc you make a conscious decision to put your child in that environment at any sporting event you go to, you will see it at cricket, rugby, league and almost any other sporting event in NZ. In the words of Chopper "Harden the darn up NZ" |
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Post by tman on Feb 7, 2011 16:29:30 GMT 12
keep it the way it is but just get tough on the bad eggs,we were on turn 1&2 there was heaps of drunks but found it all in good humour,especially the legendary norn entertaining the crowd. a family area could be a good idea,they are still selling the place out at teams weekend so things cant be getting that bad?
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Post by The Dark One on Feb 7, 2011 16:37:22 GMT 12
We shouldnt ban alcohol at the track. Many people drinking there are fine. What we should ban is abusive loudmouth rednecks who think the hieght of social evolution is to get pi**ed up and hurl abuse, knock people over, spill stuff everywhere, pick on kids and genereally make themselves look like a bunch of yokels from the sticks. It should be a safe place for EVERYBODY to go and enjoy the spectacle.
A parent shouldnt have to worry at a public arena like that. Not at any event. And the goings on at the 7s proves the drinking culture here in NZ is beyond idiotic.
Maybe those that cant have a beer without beoming a complete tool should "harden the **** up" and stay sober, or get drunk at home watching speedbox.
Nobody has a problem with the quiet drinkers, its the loudmouth "look at me" subculture within the speedway community that is doing the damage.
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Post by kellz on Feb 7, 2011 16:53:37 GMT 12
My son has been going to the Palmy teams champs since he was 5months old and this year is the first year we have had any trouble with drunken eggs. Yes we can have a good laugh and joke with them but the ones up there this year just went a little too far yelling at him! Pushthep when you grow up and have kids you will no how protective you become over your children,and you will think they should be able to walk to the toilet by themselves at the age of 9!!  Around by turns 3&4 use to be the family area! There were signs up a few years ago that said family area. What happend to that? At the Welly teams champs there was very little trouble there due to a no alcohol. I dont have a problem with people drinking just the ones that go too far,and it doesnt seem to be the young ones anymore!! |
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